Perhaps you should read this post on ...

Perhaps you should read this post on slander and libel

Posted in the Sunbright Forum

“The Spin Stops Here”

Since: Jan 10

Pine Knot, KY

#1 Jan 14, 2010
Noticing a lot of libel (what some call slander however it is a different form) on this section of Topix I felt compelled to give you the opportunity to read my post on the topic located here
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/petros-tn/TSC...

Libel is a serious offense and despite the popular belief that you are anonymous, your identity can be found quite easily. If requested by an attorney Topix will have to release your true ISP location resulting in your name being disclosed.

My suggestion to those on here making posts calling names and accusing people of the many different things is this. Post wisely in the future, because your future may be at stake. Do date the state of Tennessee has seen near 25 cases filed that have been won and nearly 300 cases still slated for court.

Hopefully this will help the Sunbright citizens to be rid of such nasty behavior from those who have nothing better to do.
well

Oneida, TN

#2 Jan 15, 2010
The OReally Factor wrote:
If requested by an attorney Topix will have to release your true ISP location resulting in your name being disclosed.
Just how I have replied to you on the other posts, you aren't helping by giving false information.(And the other issues I pointed out from your other post)

First of all, it isn't through the request of an attorney that Topix must release such information. This can only be done through court order given to Topix by a sitting judge.

Then, once that is resolved. Another court order must be given to your ISP to identify who the user of the IP is.(Depending on ISP policy).(Lesher v. Doe as an example)

If you have studied any type of law, you would have realized this.

Again, not to mention that the use of proxies can result in the user not being found.(A proxy doesn't always protect you, but under certain measures, it can).

And as for your 25/300 cases figure, as I requested on the other post, please provide the reference to that. Don't bother saying "Google it" because it doesn't provide any reference, no matter what keywords you use. Lesher v. Doe is the only case that has went as far as it has, and it hasn't even been resolved yet.

Look, I know you are trying to help people against some of these morons that post this stuff. However, do a little more research before using scare tactics.
make me sick

Columbia, SC

#3 Jan 16, 2010
Well well well as always somebody trying to take our rights from us. I have never seen town where when the heat gets turned up that they start yelling "I will get a lawyer" its bull.We should be able to write what we want to.You people make me want to hurl. Grow some balls.It sounds like to me that some of these people on here have hit a nerve.
well

Oneida, TN

#4 Jan 16, 2010
make me sick wrote:
Well well well as always somebody trying to take our rights from us. I have never seen town where when the heat gets turned up that they start yelling "I will get a lawyer" its bull.We should be able to write what we want to.You people make me want to hurl. Grow some balls.It sounds like to me that some of these people on here have hit a nerve.
No one has taken your rights from you. Free speech is only as good as long as you are not hindering the rights of another person. Slander is one of those rights that you take away from another human being.

Your mentality is the same as the metaphor of yelling "fire" in a crowed movie theater when there isn't a fire. You just can't do it. It hinders peoples rights.

Opinion is fine. No one is knocking that. It's the calling so and so a rapist when he/she works at a daycare and comes under investigation from it. In Lesher v. Doe, the victims were damaged to the point where they lost their businesses because of what was said. Those people who made those comments are now going to pay.

If you want to slander people, then fine. Just be prepared to face the consequences. You must understand the fine line between opinion/truth/and false information when you post against another person. Again, no one is taking the rights from you. You do that yourself when you engage in slander. Just how you take your own rights away when you commit a criminal offense.

Feel free to look up and do some research on slander/libel laws.(Libel is written word, but we often use the term slander because more people understand the definition clearly).
whatever

Columbia, SC

#5 Jan 16, 2010
well wrote:
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No one has taken your rights from you. Free speech is only as good as long as you are not hindering the rights of another person. Slander is one of those rights that you take away from another human being.
Your mentality is the same as the metaphor of yelling "fire" in a crowed movie theater when there isn't a fire. You just can't do it. It hinders peoples rights.
Opinion is fine. No one is knocking that. It's the calling so and so a rapist when he/she works at a daycare and comes under investigation from it. In Lesher v. Doe, the victims were damaged to the point where they lost their businesses because of what was said. Those people who made those comments are now going to pay.
If you want to slander people, then fine. Just be prepared to face the consequences. You must understand the fine line between opinion/truth/and false information when you post against another person. Again, no one is taking the rights from you. You do that yourself when you engage in slander. Just how you take your own rights away when you commit a criminal offense.
Feel free to look up and do some research on slander/libel laws.(Libel is written word, but we often use the term slander because more people understand the definition clearly).
Well It is my opinion that Mr.Hamby is a jerk period.Is that better.What gets me is him and others sit down there at that jail and make fun of good people who has real worries about things and they take it as a joke and why they think there not important there just another poor person that dont mean shit. You know I am going to stop writting anything on here. It dont do know good I know. We will all be judged one day.
well

Oneida, TN

#6 Jan 16, 2010
whatever wrote:
<quoted text>Well It is my opinion that Mr.Hamby is a jerk period.Is that better.What gets me is him and others sit down there at that jail and make fun of good people who has real worries about things and they take it as a joke and why they think there not important there just another poor person that dont mean shit. You know I am going to stop writting anything on here. It dont do know good I know. We will all be judged one day.
Off subject. However, that is your opinion and it isn't slander. Being judged? You must revert back to your comments saying that we should just post whatever. You accept that people should just say whatever, but then you make the conclusion that people will be judged. How does that work?
whatever

Columbia, SC

#7 Jan 16, 2010
well wrote:
<quoted text>
Off subject. However, that is your opinion and it isn't slander. Being judged? You must revert back to your comments saying that we should just post whatever. You accept that people should just say whatever, but then you make the conclusion that people will be judged. How does that work?
I do believe that people should be able to say what they want to say. Instead we have to word it just right or it is called slander.What happen to the good ol days when you spoke your peace no matter what it was or how it came out and that was it.You cant say John Doe is a theif because that is slander but yet if John Doe was the police and he went around saying the same about me just because he didnt like me it is never notice.You cant tell me that is fair.But nothing in this world is fair is it? Maybe I could have worded some of my comments alittle different but it doesnt matter cause no matter what their will always be people out there that will be there to point out every little misstake I make and forget the misstakes that the higher class person makes. If you only knew.
well

Oneida, TN

#8 Jan 16, 2010
whatever wrote:
<quoted text>I do believe that people should be able to say what they want to say. Instead we have to word it just right or it is called slander.What happen to the good ol days when you spoke your peace no matter what it was or how it came out and that was it.You cant say John Doe is a theif because that is slander but yet if John Doe was the police and he went around saying the same about me just because he didnt like me it is never notice.You cant tell me that is fair.But nothing in this world is fair is it? Maybe I could have worded some of my comments alittle different but it doesnt matter cause no matter what their will always be people out there that will be there to point out every little misstake I make and forget the misstakes that the higher class person makes. If you only knew.
Mistakes aren't the issue. You are seeking to deep into something that isn't there. Plain and simple. The "good ol' days" hasn't been there. Unless you consider the 60's the "good ol" days when slander was first admitted.

If you call John Doe a thief than you need to prove he was a thief. If you can't prove it, than it is either slander or a useless rant. So why do it? Just because Joe Doe was the police doesn't mean he can do the same.

You have to understand what libel entails. You are making it out to be something like a "poopie head" comment from both parties. It is more serious than that. It has to be legitimate screwing up with your life or others to make such a claim. Just because a police officer says your a druggie doesn't mean it's libel.

There are to many variables involved to make a determination on one situation or another. Anyone who does libel is a coward. However, the ones who do it is labeled through definition and nothing else.
whatever

Columbia, SC

#9 Jan 16, 2010
well wrote:
<quoted text>
Mistakes aren't the issue. You are seeking to deep into something that isn't there. Plain and simple. The "good ol' days" hasn't been there. Unless you consider the 60's the "good ol" days when slander was first admitted.
If you call John Doe a thief than you need to prove he was a thief. If you can't prove it, than it is either slander or a useless rant. So why do it? Just because Joe Doe was the police doesn't mean he can do the same.
You have to understand what libel entails. You are making it out to be something like a "poopie head" comment from both parties. It is more serious than that. It has to be legitimate screwing up with your life or others to make such a claim. Just because a police officer says your a druggie doesn't mean it's libel.
There are to many variables involved to make a determination on one situation or another. Anyone who does libel is a coward. However, the ones who do it is labeled through definition and nothing else.
Who are you? Or should I say what are you like your job.
well

Oneida, TN

#10 Jan 16, 2010
whatever wrote:
<quoted text>Who are you? Or should I say what are you like your job.
Does it matter? In this conversation it is irrelevant. It's a deflective measure that doesn't have meaning to what is being discussed to even consider who I am or what I do.

To wonder such things just brings invalid arguments that aren't sound or valid. Therefore, your question is rather moot. Again, therefore I'm not going to discuss who I am or where I work because it really doesn't matter.
whatever

Columbia, SC

#11 Jan 16, 2010
well wrote:
<quoted text>
Does it matter? In this conversation it is irrelevant. It's a deflective measure that doesn't have meaning to what is being discussed to even consider who I am or what I do.
To wonder such things just brings invalid arguments that aren't sound or valid. Therefore, your question is rather moot. Again, therefore I'm not going to discuss who I am or where I work because it really doesn't matter.
Whatever you say.
well

Oneida, TN

#12 Jan 18, 2010
The OReally Factor wrote:
Noticing a lot of libel (what some call slander however it is a different form) on this section of Topix I felt compelled to give you the opportunity to read my post on the topic located here
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/petros-tn/TSC...
Libel is a serious offense and despite the popular belief that you are anonymous, your identity can be found quite easily. If requested by an attorney Topix will have to release your true ISP location resulting in your name being disclosed.
My suggestion to those on here making posts calling names and accusing people of the many different things is this. Post wisely in the future, because your future may be at stake. Do date the state of Tennessee has seen near 25 cases filed that have been won and nearly 300 cases still slated for court.
Hopefully this will help the Sunbright citizens to be rid of such nasty behavior from those who have nothing better to do.
I'm still waiting on those references ..... No search term in google or otherwise states the approx. 25 cases won, and the approx. 300 pending.
family

Harriman, TN

#13 Jan 20, 2010
whatever wrote:
<quoted text>Well It is my opinion that Mr.Hamby is a jerk period.Is that better.What gets me is him and others sit down there at that jail and make fun of good people who has real worries about things and they take it as a joke and why they think there not important there just another poor person that dont mean shit. You know I am going to stop writting anything on here. It dont do know good I know. We will all be judged one day.
always gotta say sumthing about Hamby huh? we all will be judged thats right and your going to be judged for talking about him. how do you know what he does and does not do at the jail? quit cryin already.
whatever

Columbia, SC

#14 Jan 20, 2010
family wrote:
<quoted text>
always gotta say sumthing about Hamby huh? we all will be judged thats right and your going to be judged for talking about him. how do you know what he does and does not do at the jail? quit cryin already.
Say what you want dont give a [email protected] but in the end you will be the one holding your head down.
Friend of Rick Hamby

Oneida, TN

#15 Jan 20, 2010
If you have something against Rick thats so bad why don't you go and confront him? Oh,I forgot your chicken because you know he won't take no shit off you.You would be the one holding your head down trying to hide what your face looks like when he got through with you.
It will happen

Wartburg, TN

#16 Jan 21, 2010
whatever wrote:
<quoted text>I do believe that people should be able to say what they want to say. Instead we have to word it just right or it is called slander.What happen to the good ol days when you spoke your peace no matter what it was or how it came out and that was it.You cant say John Doe is a theif because that is slander but yet if John Doe was the police and he went around saying the same about me just because he didnt like me it is never notice.You cant tell me that is fair.But nothing in this world is fair is it? Maybe I could have worded some of my comments alittle different but it doesnt matter cause no matter what their will always be people out there that will be there to point out every little misstake I make and forget the misstakes that the higher class person makes. If you only knew.
Maybe you should try treating people the way you want to be treated. Have you heard of a thing called the golden rule. None of us has had it easy. Let go of the hate before it dissolves what heart you have left.
family

Harriman, TN

#17 Jan 21, 2010
whatever wrote:
<quoted text>Say what you want dont give a [email protected] but in the end you will be the one holding your head down.
lol, yea ok, looks to me like you will be and obviously you do give a [email protected] or you wouldnt still be talkin sh*t about him, if you gotta problem with him why not say it to his face instead of talkin sh!t on the internet, maybe they should trace your IP and see who you really are, bet you wont be so quick to talk sh!t then
whatever

Columbia, SC

#18 Jan 21, 2010
family wrote:
<quoted text>
lol, yea ok, looks to me like you will be and obviously you do give a [email protected] or you wouldnt still be talkin sh*t about him, if you gotta problem with him why not say it to his face instead of talkin sh!t on the internet, maybe they should trace your IP and see who you really are, bet you wont be so quick to talk sh!t then
Look threaten me all you want ok,I dont like Rick and I dont like the way he treats people.See thats how you people do. When people try to stand up and say what they think then they get threaten with shit all because they dont like a certain person.
family

Harriman, TN

#19 Jan 21, 2010
whatever wrote:
<quoted text>Look threaten me all you want ok,I dont like Rick and I dont like the way he treats people.See thats how you people do. When people try to stand up and say what they think then they get threaten with shit all because they dont like a certain person.
Okay, dont be rediculous, no one is threating you, geez, your acting like someone has threatened your life or something. Grow up, I think its about time you do that. What do you mean thats how you people do. What do we do? All I said is if they traced your IP and found out who you were then you wouldnt be so quick to run your mouth. Look, when most people have a problem with someone or dont like someone, they just dont speak to that person or they let that person know about it. But, you on the otherhand are acting like a 12 year old and had to get online to trash him. GROW UP!
hmmmm

San Antonio, TX

#20 Jan 21, 2010
family wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay, dont be rediculous, no one is threating you, geez, your acting like someone has threatened your life or something. Grow up, I think its about time you do that. What do you mean thats how you people do. What do we do? All I said is if they traced your IP and found out who you were then you wouldnt be so quick to run your mouth. Look, when most people have a problem with someone or dont like someone, they just dont speak to that person or they let that person know about it. But, you on the otherhand are acting like a 12 year old and had to get online to trash him. GROW UP!
To trace an IP you must need a court order sent to Topix. Then once the IP is revealed, you must either have a court order or compliance of the ISP to reveal who the user behind the IP is.

It's very difficult to reveal who the users are. There must be a good reason before a judge will sigh a court order. Trashing someone isn't grounds. However, if the case is libel, then you might possibly have a shot at finding out who "whatever" is. Not to mention that people can easily fake their IP addresses on here.

I don't know who you guys are talking about, but this thread isn't about a person in general.

Just saying....

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