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“Don't Start Rumors!”

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#136 Aug 1, 2012
Not sure what Very fit said he got done besides taking in a view from a tree top, but everyone should be prepared for the EPA to completely ignore this little ruling by the Supreme Court and i can guarantee you that the EPA will appeal this ruling and keep things tied up for a very long time. Nothing will change anytime soon.

“Bout all I know is mining Coal”

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Fayette County WV

#137 Aug 1, 2012
DrMUDD wrote:
<quoted text>Ahh, but it is you who made the idiotic statement that miners don't ignore things like methane levels now days in the mines. You apparently haven't kept up to date on the depositions that a few miners have given during the investigation at U.B.B. that is still ongoing. And some of the miners that worked there are ones that i am actually aquainted with. All of them have admitted that they had to look over their shoulder and work in dangerous conditions or fear losing their job and that they could be replaced if they became whistleblowers. Methane levels were way up, dust floating everywhere to the point it only took seconds for 21/2 miles of underground shaft to explode. And you don't go taking the fifth amendment if you have nothing to hide or are not afraid that there is a chance you have the possibility of saying something that just might incriminate yourself. Your just another one of those puppets i see all the time that lets people like Don operate your strings all for the greed of money.
We could argue what really happened at UBB forever. The point I am stressing is that if the men that died simply did not overlook the risks because of fear of losing their jobs. All of the men that operate equipment on the Longwall section had methane spotters and I promise you that if they would have had time to react they would have. It really pisses me off that you don't give the men enough credit for the jobs they preformed. I worked their for an independent company and had only been to the mine 4 times. While I was there rock dust coverage was far better than most of the other mines in the area. MSHA has always looked at Massey under a micro scope and now they do the same with Alpha. If there was imminent danger present they would have shut it down in a heartbeat. I was not there the day of the horrible tragedy and neither were you. So all we can do is speculate. Either way those men would not be on the Ramp people's side if they were here today. I could care less about Massey or Don Blankenship. But, when you blame those deaths on the men that died at use their deaths as a crutch in a MTR war on working men you are going too far. I won't tell you who I work for but I will say that I have worked underground in 7 states and 3 countries and have never seen any WV coal miner purposely put lives of his fellow miners in danger because of fear of his job. Before UBB coal was booming and you could get a job with a company the same day after being fired from another. When you say the company ignored the danger you are talking about the men themselves ultimately because belt examiners report BUG dust levels on the belts and Forman report methane and float dust on the section and they have 24 hours by law to correct their problems. Unless methane levels have went over the limit and if so they will correct ASAP. I'm telling you those men weren't so job scared that they purposely ignored that much methane period.

“Don't Start Rumors!”

Since: Oct 09

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#138 Aug 1, 2012
yep

New York, NY

#139 Aug 1, 2012
DrMUDD wrote:
Not sure what Very fit said he got done besides taking in a view from a tree top, but everyone should be prepared for the EPA to completely ignore this little ruling by the Supreme Court and i can guarantee you that the EPA will appeal this ruling and keep things tied up for a very long time. Nothing will change anytime soon.
Ignoring rulings and the constitution, you got that very right. It's what this administration has been all about.

“Pro Union - Enviro Vigilante”

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Since: Feb 12

Craigsville , WV

#140 Aug 1, 2012
The Alpha Dog wrote:
<quoted text>We could argue what really happened at UBB forever. The point I am stressing is that if the men that died simply did not overlook the risks because of fear of losing their jobs. All of the men that operate equipment on the Longwall section had methane spotters and I promise you that if they would have had time to react they would have. It really pisses me off that you don't give the men enough credit for the jobs they preformed. I worked their for an independent company and had only been to the mine 4 times. While I was there rock dust coverage was far better than most of the other mines in the area. MSHA has always looked at Massey under a micro scope and now they do the same with Alpha. If there was imminent danger present they would have shut it down in a heartbeat. I was not there the day of the horrible tragedy and neither were you. So all we can do is speculate. Either way those men would not be on the Ramp people's side if they were here today. I could care less about Massey or Don Blankenship. But, when you blame those deaths on the men that died at use their deaths as a crutch in a MTR war on working men you are going too far. I won't tell you who I work for but I will say that I have worked underground in 7 states and 3 countries and have never seen any WV coal miner purposely put lives of his fellow miners in danger because of fear of his job. Before UBB coal was booming and you could get a job with a company the same day after being fired from another. When you say the company ignored the danger you are talking about the men themselves ultimately because belt examiners report BUG dust levels on the belts and Forman report methane and float dust on the section and they have 24 hours by law to correct their problems. Unless methane levels have went over the limit and if so they will correct ASAP. I'm telling you those men weren't so job scared that they purposely ignored that much methane period.
Cause of the PREVENTABLE EXPLOSION is well documented ... No basis for argument !!

“Don't Start Rumors!”

Since: Oct 09

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#141 Aug 1, 2012
Exactly
Kate

Morgantown, WV

#142 Aug 1, 2012
The Alpha Dog wrote:
<quoted text>We could argue what really happened at UBB forever. The point I am stressing is that if the men that died simply did not overlook the risks because of fear of losing their jobs. All of the men that operate equipment on the Longwall section had methane spotters and I promise you that if they would have had time to react they would have. It really pisses me off that you don't give the men enough credit for the jobs they preformed. I worked their for an independent company and had only been to the mine 4 times. While I was there rock dust coverage was far better than most of the other mines in the area. MSHA has always looked at Massey under a micro scope and now they do the same with Alpha. If there was imminent danger present they would have shut it down in a heartbeat. I was not there the day of the horrible tragedy and neither were you. So all we can do is speculate. Either way those men would not be on the Ramp people's side if they were here today. I could care less about Massey or Don Blankenship. But, when you blame those deaths on the men that died at use their deaths as a crutch in a MTR war on working men you are going too far. I won't tell you who I work for but I will say that I have worked underground in 7 states and 3 countries and have never seen any WV coal miner purposely put lives of his fellow miners in danger because of fear of his job. Before UBB coal was booming and you could get a job with a company the same day after being fired from another. When you say the company ignored the danger you are talking about the men themselves ultimately because belt examiners report BUG dust levels on the belts and Forman report methane and float dust on the section and they have 24 hours by law to correct their problems. Unless methane levels have went over the limit and if so they will correct ASAP. I'm telling you those men weren't so job scared that they purposely ignored that much methane period.
Yes, those men knew the hazards. The company put it to them either work or the unemployment line. The corporations in this country do not give a shit about the worker. Massey did not care about those men or anyone else for that matter. Blankenship and Massey only care about one thing that is profit, period. In the end Massey brought 29 men's lives for peanuts and got out of the businesses selling like roses. In fact 7.2 billion roses. Then these idiots get on there defending these people. Only in America. Americans will do whatever it takes for the dollar bill and the corporation know that. Follow them you sheep straight to the cemetery.

“Pro Union - Enviro Vigilante”

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Since: Feb 12

Craigsville , WV

#143 Aug 1, 2012
Kate wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, those men knew the hazards. The company put it to them either work or the unemployment line. The corporations in this country do not give a shit about the worker. Massey did not care about those men or anyone else for that matter. Blankenship and Massey only care about one thing that is profit, period. In the end Massey brought 29 men's lives for peanuts and got out of the businesses selling like roses. In fact 7.2 billion roses. Then these idiots get on there defending these people. Only in America. Americans will do whatever it takes for the dollar bill and the corporation know that. Follow them you sheep straight to the cemetery.
AMEN Sister!!!!
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“Don't Start Rumors!”

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#145 Aug 1, 2012
AMEN the Second Sister!

And Massey is not the only company that works that way.

And Alpha has some of these upper management people from Massey now sitting in their office. This running right thing with Alpha has been just a bunch of disguised BS since it came about.

“Pro Union - Enviro Vigilante”

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Since: Feb 12

Craigsville , WV

#146 Aug 1, 2012
I call it " Running Right " over any thing that gets in way, people, rules, regulations etc. the name has changed-- that's all.

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