Citizen

United States

#61 Oct 13, 2011
Riggsbe wrote:
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I really do not believe you are a DNR officer. Reason, because I am.
Why dont you set the record straight then and tell these people there is no evidence of mountain lions, panthers, or any other big cats breeding in the woods of WV.
Ignorance BreedsStupidity

Lewisburg, WV

#62 Oct 13, 2011
Citizen wrote:
<quoted text>Why dont you set the record straight then and tell these people there is no evidence of mountain lions, panthers, or any other big cats breeding in the woods of WV.
With that being said, I am going to tell a little story about my sighting of a mountain lion. I'm guessing that alot of the people on this site are probably fairly young, but if not, does anyone remember back in the mid-late 90's when the rumor went around about the turkeys being traded for rattlesnakes?? The story goes that a helicopter was seen dropping rattlesnakes into the New River Gorge. The DNR denied this for a long while. I guess someone had some pretty good evidence that it did happen and the DNR finally recanted and admitted it was true.
Well, at the time between the denial and admittance, I saw a mountain lion. There's no way it could have been anything else. I got to within 30 yards of it, it was a mountain lion. Others in the area saw it as well, on different occasions. If it hadn't have seen me when it did, it woulda been a dead cat. It heard me getting my gun out of the vehicle. Anyway, the next day I saw a DNR officer who just happened to be from Fayette Co. I told him of my sighting and he said, and I quote "I guess the next thing you're going to tell me is that you saw a helicopter dropping rattlesnakes into the Gorge". Once the story broke that this was true, I realized what he was telling me was that they have relocated some mountain lions in the area. That's the way I took it anyway........
Citizen

United States

#63 Oct 13, 2011
Well that sure sounds like evidence to me. No offense, but just another "I swear I saw one" story.
Ignorance BreedsStupidity

Lewisburg, WV

#64 Oct 13, 2011
Citizen wrote:
Well that sure sounds like evidence to me. No offense, but just another "I swear I saw one" story.
I really don't care whether you believe me or not......doesn't quite matter. I know what I saw (at 4:00 pm on a sunny day)....there was no mistaking it. In the middle of a one-lane road, drove within 30 yrds. of it. I got out of my vehicle, reached in to get my gun and it finally heard me and leapt into the weeds. It looked like it was older....No, it wasn't black. It was brown/yellow.....whatever they consider that color to be. There were several people who told me they saw it before I did and I too did not believe them......thought maybe they were mistaking it for something else. I was surprised when I saw it for myself.
Question

Moundsville, WV

#65 Oct 14, 2011
Ignorance BreedsStupidity wrote:
<quoted text>
With that being said, I am going to tell a little story about my sighting of a mountain lion. I'm guessing that alot of the people on this site are probably fairly young, but if not, does anyone remember back in the mid-late 90's when the rumor went around about the turkeys being traded for rattlesnakes?? The story goes that a helicopter was seen dropping rattlesnakes into the New River Gorge. The DNR denied this for a long while. I guess someone had some pretty good evidence that it did happen and the DNR finally recanted and admitted it was true.
Well, at the time between the denial and admittance, I saw a mountain lion. There's no way it could have been anything else. I got to within 30 yards of it, it was a mountain lion. Others in the area saw it as well, on different occasions. If it hadn't have seen me when it did, it woulda been a dead cat. It heard me getting my gun out of the vehicle. Anyway, the next day I saw a DNR officer who just happened to be from Fayette Co. I told him of my sighting and he said, and I quote "I guess the next thing you're going to tell me is that you saw a helicopter dropping rattlesnakes into the Gorge". Once the story broke that this was true, I realized what he was telling me was that they have relocated some mountain lions in the area. That's the way I took it anyway........
I have never heard of confirmation of drooping rattlesnakes out of helicopters. I need to see that article to believe it. When did that conformation occur? What article was it? Who confirmed that the DNR was stocking snakes? If this was made public there should be written evidence of the information. Tell me where to find that.
I saw DNR officers driving around picking up little parachutes one day. They were tiny parachutes that could have been used to allow the snakes to drop softly to the ground. My understanding is they had to train the snakes for four weeks to learn to pull the rip cord. I hear they lost a few in training but eventually figured out it was better to hook them up to a line and have the chutes open automatically. LMAO!
Ignorance BreedsStupidity

Lewisburg, WV

#66 Oct 14, 2011
Question wrote:
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I have never heard of confirmation of drooping rattlesnakes out of helicopters. I need to see that article to believe it. When did that conformation occur? What article was it? Who confirmed that the DNR was stocking snakes? If this was made public there should be written evidence of the information. Tell me where to find that.
I saw DNR officers driving around picking up little parachutes one day. They were tiny parachutes that could have been used to allow the snakes to drop softly to the ground. My understanding is they had to train the snakes for four weeks to learn to pull the rip cord. I hear they lost a few in training but eventually figured out it was better to hook them up to a line and have the chutes open automatically. LMAO!
Yeah, you would think of it like that.........This shows how ignorant you really are numbnuts. They were using a helicopter to disperse the rattlesnakes, I'm sure they weren't physically dumping them out like you suggest. They were using the hellicopter to navigate up the gorge. Do I have to spell everything out so your simple mind can comprehend??
I wish I could remember the date (even the year). I did read it in a publication but I'm not sure which one it was. I will do some research to try to find it, so your dumbass can see it for yoruself.
Ignorance BreedsStupidity

Lewisburg, WV

#67 Oct 14, 2011
When I search the Charleston Gazette archives, there are some hits for 1998-1999 articles but cannot view them without a password. Not sure that this is where I read it, but it does mention the rumors that were circling at the time.
Question

Moundsville, WV

#68 Oct 14, 2011
Ignorance BreedsStupidity wrote:
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Yeah, you would think of it like that.........This shows how ignorant you really are numbnuts. They were using a helicopter to disperse the rattlesnakes, I'm sure they weren't physically dumping them out like you suggest. They were using the hellicopter to navigate up the gorge. Do I have to spell everything out so your simple mind can comprehend??
I wish I could remember the date (even the year). I did read it in a publication but I'm not sure which one it was. I will do some research to try to find it, so your dumbass can see it for yoruself.
Thank you sir for pointing out my defiencies. You have no idea with whom you are speaking to but you make assumptions that I am ignorant.

I will try, even though I am so ignorant and dumb, to find someone who can read and see if they will read the "so called article" to my dumbass.
You never know who you are talking to my friend. I may be someone who has some knowledge of what is actually going on; of course it may just be in my simple mind.
Please keep showing me the error of my ways kind sir, your wisdom in very much needed and I quite enjoy your rants.
Stocking Rattlesnakes, lol.
YAH

United States

#69 Oct 14, 2011
Start walking through Deer Creek or over in Homney, you will see them.
Citizen

United States

#70 Oct 14, 2011
Question wrote:
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I have never heard of confirmation of drooping rattlesnakes out of helicopters. I need to see that article to believe it. When did that conformation occur? What article was it? Who confirmed that the DNR was stocking snakes? If this was made public there should be written evidence of the information. Tell me where to find that.
I saw DNR officers driving around picking up little parachutes one day. They were tiny parachutes that could have been used to allow the snakes to drop softly to the ground. My understanding is they had to train the snakes for four weeks to learn to pull the rip cord. I hear they lost a few in training but eventually figured out it was better to hook them up to a line and have the chutes open automatically. LMAO!
THat made my day, DNR driving around picking up little parachutes, tooooooooooo funny.
Citizen

United States

#71 Oct 14, 2011
Snakes with parachutes, check it out. Warning, it does contain cuss words but it hilarious relating to this forum. http://duckarse.deviantart.com/favourites/#/d...
Ignorance BreedsStupidity

Lewisburg, WV

#72 Oct 14, 2011
Question wrote:
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Thank you sir for pointing out my defiencies. You have no idea with whom you are speaking to but you make assumptions that I am ignorant.
I will try, even though I am so ignorant and dumb, to find someone who can read and see if they will read the "so called article" to my dumbass.
You never know who you are talking to my friend. I may be someone who has some knowledge of what is actually going on; of course it may just be in my simple mind.
Please keep showing me the error of my ways kind sir, your wisdom in very much needed and I quite enjoy your rants.
Stocking Rattlesnakes, lol.
As well, You have no idea who I am either. So what makes it okay for you to attack me? Oh. Okay, you are an alpha-male who can never be wrong?
My Opinion

Charleston, WV

#73 Oct 14, 2011
The ones who want to sit and argue about whether there here or not are just looking for a conversation. Who cares what you think. Someday you might run up on one, IF YOUR LUCKY ENOUGH. Mountain Lions should not of ever been endangered in WV. Rednecks shouldn't even be able to hunt. Because its pointless and worthless. Animals should be free!! This use to be there home and it will be again eventually. Because they help control the deer population. Rednecks should be endangered!
Ignorance BreedsStupidity

Lewisburg, WV

#74 Oct 14, 2011
My Opinion wrote:
The ones who want to sit and argue about whether there here or not are just looking for a conversation. Who cares what you think. Someday you might run up on one, IF YOUR LUCKY ENOUGH. Mountain Lions should not of ever been endangered in WV. Rednecks shouldn't even be able to hunt. Because its pointless and worthless. Animals should be free!! This use to be there home and it will be again eventually. Because they help control the deer population. Rednecks should be endangered!
Rednecks, just like idiots, will always be around. There's no control over inbreeding. Yes, mountain lions are here. Few in number, but they're around, and they got placed in the area just like the coyotes did. With that said though, I do not want them around my property and would kill every one I see. Most of the time they do more harm than good.
Citizen

United States

#75 Oct 14, 2011
The experts who are educated and study in this field say there are not mountain lions in WV. I think I will take the word of experts. Believe what you want.

The last confirmed mountain lion sighting in West Virginia was in the 1960s or 1970s in Pocahontas County, according to DNR District Biologist Ray Knotts. Knotts said two mountain lions were sighted. One was killed and one was captured. It was determined that the two large cats were “quite friendly” and had been raised in captivity.

On the other hand, Knotts said reports of sightings in and around the state pour in on a daily basis, but some cases turn out to be no more than a house cat.

Knotts recalled an incident in the Lewis County area where two black panthers were reportedly seen on the strip mining area behind Market Place Plaza in Weston.

After investigation, it was determined that the black panthers were in fact house cats. Knotts said it may seem impossible to mistake house cats for larger felines such as mountain lions, bobcats or panthers, but weather conditions, distance from the animal and the surrounding environment may very well fool the eye.

“There is no physical evidence that there are free roaming mountain lions in the state,” Knotts said.
Ignorance BreedsStupidity

Lewisburg, WV

#76 Oct 14, 2011
Citizen wrote:
The experts who are educated and study in this field say there are not mountain lions in WV. I think I will take the word of experts. Believe what you want.
The last confirmed mountain lion sighting in West Virginia was in the 1960s or 1970s in Pocahontas County, according to DNR District Biologist Ray Knotts. Knotts said two mountain lions were sighted. One was killed and one was captured. It was determined that the two large cats were “quite friendly” and had been raised in captivity.
On the other hand, Knotts said reports of sightings in and around the state pour in on a daily basis, but some cases turn out to be no more than a house cat.
Knotts recalled an incident in the Lewis County area where two black panthers were reportedly seen on the strip mining area behind Market Place Plaza in Weston.
After investigation, it was determined that the black panthers were in fact house cats. Knotts said it may seem impossible to mistake house cats for larger felines such as mountain lions, bobcats or panthers, but weather conditions, distance from the animal and the surrounding environment may very well fool the eye.
“There is no physical evidence that there are free roaming mountain lions in the state,” Knotts said.
Yeah, we all know what they "say". I'm not sure why they will not admit to bringing animals into the state. No, it is not proven, but there is alot of circumstantial evidence. Such as the coyote population booming in such a short time and the beetle problem we had a few years ago. Everyone speculates that species such as these are brought in to control other populations. Given the known prey of these animals, it does seem feasible. I guess until the state admits to it, it's like UFO's, only a myth.......but some myths have been proven to be true.
I have formed my opinion, based on what I've seen and what I've read and heard. I cannot pass it as fact, other than my personal sighting.....some people on this topic feel that I'm not allowed to have an opinion though.
Many years ago, two deer were found not far from the place that I saw the cat. These deer were dead and covered with leaves in the corner of a field. Their throats were virtually gone and there was no blood anywhere. The deer were also drained of blood. DNR was called and they said that it was evident they were shot. Well, the deer were skinned out with no bullet holes in them. At that point, the DNR official said that it was probably a bear that killed the deer. It was researched and found that the nature of these killings eluded to the presence of a large cat of some type. Bears do not rip the throats out and suck the blood, but cats do. Although this is not substantial evidence of the presence of predatory cats, it does raise some questions. Many questions will always be raised.
The cat I saw could have very easily been one that was raised in captivity and escaped or released. I have no way of knowing this...all I know is what I saw, and that's proof enough for me.
My Opinion

Charleston, WV

#77 Oct 14, 2011
Ignorance BreedsStupidity wrote:
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Rednecks, just like idiots, will always be around. There's no control over inbreeding. Yes, mountain lions are here. Few in number, but they're around, and they got placed in the area just like the coyotes did. With that said though, I do not want them around my property and would kill every one I see. Most of the time they do more harm than good.
I know there still here. I was talking to all of the ones that don't think there here. Seeing is believing.
Chew on this

Fairmont, WV

#78 Oct 17, 2011
Citizen wrote:
The experts who are educated and study in this field say there are not mountain lions in WV. I think I will take the word of experts. Believe what you want.
The last confirmed mountain lion sighting in West Virginia was in the 1960s or 1970s in Pocahontas County, according to DNR District Biologist Ray Knotts. Knotts said two mountain lions were sighted. One was killed and one was captured. It was determined that the two large cats were “quite friendly” and had been raised in captivity.
On the other hand, Knotts said reports of sightings in and around the state pour in on a daily basis, but some cases turn out to be no more than a house cat.
Knotts recalled an incident in the Lewis County area where two black panthers were reportedly seen on the strip mining area behind Market Place Plaza in Weston.
After investigation, it was determined that the black panthers were in fact house cats. Knotts said it may seem impossible to mistake house cats for larger felines such as mountain lions, bobcats or panthers, but weather conditions, distance from the animal and the surrounding environment may very well fool the eye.
“There is no physical evidence that there are free roaming mountain lions in the state,” Knotts said.
Read this:
http://www.richwooders.com/appalachian/wildli...
It's a letter from the Eastern Puma Research Network.
Citizen

United States

#79 Oct 17, 2011
Chew on this wrote:
<quoted text>
Read this:
http://www.richwooders.com/appalachian/wildli...
It's a letter from the Eastern Puma Research Network.
That proves nothing. There are organizations dedicated to finding Bigfoot also but doesnt mean I believe it.
Ignorance BreedsStupidity

Lewisburg, WV

#80 Oct 17, 2011
Citizen wrote:
<quoted text>That proves nothing. There are organizations dedicated to finding Bigfoot also but doesnt mean I believe it.
Although I do not agree with your view on mountain lions, I have to agree with this statement. If I didn't physically see evidence and the real thing for myself I would probably be skeptical myself. I do know there was at least one mountain lion at one time in Nicholas Co., but I do not believe it was a native. "Experts" can take information and twist it into whatever they want it to say without ever really saying anything at all.

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