Dems attack Ryan plan to privatize Social Security

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FILE: Aug. 18, 2012: Vice presidential candidate Rep. Paul Ryan speaks to a crowd at Lake Sumter Landing Market Square in The Villages, Fla.

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#2235 Nov 8, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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Saw that on another thread. The guy is a true republican isn't he?
1. He does not even wait for the law to take effect before he fires his employee's. So we know that he does not care about his employee's and all he says about it are lies.
2. Every single one of his competitors face the same thing, so we know that he is the dumbest Republican in business because they can all think of ways to comply and stay in business.
3. Instead of insurance he can pay the $650 fee which works out to about 30 cents/hour for a fulltime empoyee.
4. Instead of paying that he could just forego one 3% pay raise (proivded he averages $10/hour per employee.) In Las Vegas that is probably low balling things.
5. He could jack up the charge on customers by about 50 cents each.
6. He could combine 3, 4 and 5 so that everyone feels just a little pain.
But we know he is not smart enough to figure this out AND he don't give a damn about his employee's because he could have waited until the law came into effect.
And we know you aren't real smart either because you thought it was really something. It was, it was about one more stupid Republcian who just looks out after himself.
I dont understand why they just dont close up and go to china.

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Since: Dec 08

Brooklyn, New York

#2236 Nov 8, 2012
America Lost wrote:
<quoted text>you keep vaseline handy ?
What the hell kind of question is that?

Please try to control your perversions, junior.

Disgusting. Just like a twisted neo con.

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Lake Charles, LA

#2237 Nov 8, 2012
okb2 wrote:
<quoted text>Interesting, how many different segments of public assistance is needed to get to 47%?

I am looking for the Republican House and the Republicans in the Senate to join the Democrats and the President to steer us out of these problems.

The President has no budget authority to include taxation. His job is to execute the laws and regulations.

The Senate can not do it by its lonesome, for one thing Constitutionally the House is responsible for intitiating all budget bills. For another, the Republicans in the Senate presented more fillibusters in 2009/2010 than in the 50s, 60s and 70s combined.

Don't you find it interesting now that Obama has been re-elected and will not be a one term President Boehner says "Oh, we can try and work with you now."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-08/repu...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-07/coul...

The second is on filibusters and proposed changes.
There you go. Totally ignore the point about audit the fed.
I find it interesting that you didn't look to the Democrat House and the Democrat Senate to steer us out if this mess during the three and a half months congress was filibuster proof.

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Lake Charles, LA

#2238 Nov 8, 2012
okb2 wrote:
<quoted text>Nah, it has to do with the states as well. Leeching is leeching whether it is individual or corporate or both together. In the case of RED states think about farms and what they pay their farm hands. Small town economies in farm country. Lots of people drawing public assistance as a percentage of the population and then the farm is subsidized s well.
Yep, side step some more. Continue to try making your point my point. It's not.

Since: Jul 12

Chester, VA

#2239 Nov 9, 2012
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
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There you go. Totally ignore the point about audit the fed.
I find it interesting that you didn't look to the Democrat House and the Democrat Senate to steer us out if this mess during the three and a half months congress was filibuster proof.
They were idiots and tried to work with the Republicans. They passed the stimulus with little to no Republican support even thought they incorporated things the Republicans wanted.

The stimulus was not large enough.

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#2240 Nov 9, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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They were idiots and tried to work with the Republicans. They passed the stimulus with little to no Republican support even thought they incorporated things the Republicans wanted.
The stimulus was not large enough.
correct.

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Lake Charles, LA

#2241 Nov 9, 2012
okb2 wrote:
<quoted text>They were idiots and tried to work with the Republicans. They passed the stimulus with little to no Republican support even thought they incorporated things the Republicans wanted.

The stimulus was not large enough.
Lol

Since: Jul 12

Chester, VA

#2242 Nov 9, 2012
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
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Yep, side step some more. Continue to try making your point my point. It's not.
So far your point has been to blame individuals that got put out of jobs by everything from Enron to economic conditions. I agree we have a problem with generational welfare, but that is no different than still giving welfare to farmers and oil companies.

We do an excellent job of taking those that can not support themselves and "giving" them a life above poverty. What we do a sorry job of is making them self-sufficient. That applies to both individuals and corporations.

Since: Jul 12

Chester, VA

#2244 Nov 9, 2012
America Lost wrote:
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its never enough is it...
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."-- Thomas Jefferson
"It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world."-- Thomas Jefferson
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."-- Thomas Jefferson
"When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe." -- Thomas Jefferson
hey boston
we dont like your kind of mooch around here
you socialist commies will be dealt with
Glad to see you acknowledge that Reagan and bush were mooching socialist commies. bush himself had three separate stimulus packages. That is all republicans are is mooching commies.

Since: Jul 12

Chester, VA

#2245 Nov 9, 2012
America Lost wrote:
<quoted text>
its never enough is it...
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."-- Thomas Jefferson
"It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world."-- Thomas Jefferson
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."-- Thomas Jefferson
"When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe." -- Thomas Jefferson
hey boston
we dont like your kind of mooch around here
you socialist commies will be dealt with
My apologies, bush had 4, I forgot TARP. Probably the bidggest socialist communtist plan there was.

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Lake Charles, LA

#2246 Nov 9, 2012
okb2 wrote:
<quoted text>So far your point has been to blame individuals that got put out of jobs by everything from Enron to economic conditions. I agree we have a problem with generational welfare, but that is no different than still giving welfare to farmers and oil companies.

We do an excellent job of taking those that can not support themselves and "giving" them a life above poverty. What we do a sorry job of is making them self-sufficient. That applies to both individuals and corporations.
So far, your point is to ignore that those economic conditions continued to get worse under Obama.
Try to side step my point all you want. You're not going to change my point by criticizing it.

We also do an excellent job of taking those that CAN do for themselves and GIVING them a life above poverty, well above poverty.

Since: Jul 12

Washington, DC

#2247 Nov 9, 2012
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
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So far, your point is to ignore that those economic conditions continued to get worse under Obama.
Try to side step my point all you want. You're not going to change my point by criticizing it.
We also do an excellent job of taking those that CAN do for themselves and GIVING them a life above poverty, well above poverty.
Within 9 months of Obama being elected we went from losing jobs to creating jobs. If you think creating 150,000 jobs per month is worse than losing700,000 per month then in your mind, you are correct.

We could have done better if not for the Republicans in Congress who were intent on insuring that Obama was a one-term President. The fact that there were more fillibusters between 2009 and 2010 (two years) than in the 50s, 60s and 70s combined should tell you that.

I don't disagree with your assessment of those that "can." However, your assessment of their willingness and ability seems to be confused with their opportunity. They can do for themselves PROVIDED there are jobs available and those jobs pay enough to allow people to become self-sufficient.

Since: Jul 12

Washington, DC

#2248 Nov 9, 2012
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
<quoted text>
So far, your point is to ignore that those economic conditions continued to get worse under Obama.
Try to side step my point all you want. You're not going to change my point by criticizing it.
We also do an excellent job of taking those that CAN do for themselves and GIVING them a life above poverty, well above poverty.
Adding to my final point, opportunity is lacking, I would point out that technology is destroying jobs left and right with little being done to replace them.

Cell towers and the internet are destroying jobs for linemen, home wiring installation, tree farmers growing poles, and others.

ebooks are destroying jobs for pulpwood farmers and those that harvest the wood, paper manufacturers and their employee's, printers and binders as well as distributors and book stores.

California became the third state to allow vehicles on their roads without a driver. They still have to have someone behind the wheel just in case, but that won't last forever. If this technology works out you can say good by to truck drivers, taxi-cab drivers, chauffers and others.

Many in manufacturing have already been replaced by automation.

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Since: May 12

Lake Charles, LA

#2249 Nov 9, 2012
okb2 wrote:
<quoted text>Within 9 months of Obama being elected we went from losing jobs to creating jobs. If you think creating 150,000 jobs per month is worse than losing700,000 per month then in your mind, you are correct.

We could have done better if not for the Republicans in Congress who were intent on insuring that Obama was a one-term President. The fact that there were more fillibusters between 2009 and 2010 (two years) than in the 50s, 60s and 70s combined should tell you that.

I don't disagree with your assessment of those that "can." However, your assessment of their willingness and ability seems to be confused with their opportunity. They can do for themselves PROVIDED there are jobs available and those jobs pay enough to allow people to become self-sufficient.
Within 9 months Obama had added to the national debt. You can spin the jobs any way you want to, but you should mention the work visas granted to produce those jobs. It wasn't jobs for legal Americans in the private sector. It was government jobs and jobs for immigrants with work visas.
In addition, you can make it sound good by using terms like "jobs created" without mentioning the jobs lost at the same time. Otherwise, you can bet your ass it would have been termed "net jobs created".

Keep blaming the Republicans. You'll never change the fact there were three and a half months with a Democrat President, Democrat House, Democrat Senate, in fact a filibuster proof congress. You can also try to convince yourself that during that time, Democrats tried to play nice with Republicans to yield the problems. I don't think you are that stupid. Naive maybe, but I doubt that too. I suspect you like to twist words to imply things that aren't true.

The opportunity part is part of it. Kicking out illegals rather than granting amnesty would help. But you assume too much when it comes to those who can. Many of them have been defrauding the government programs for decades. Long before the recessions, and high unemployment rates.
The government is wasteful, greedy, corrupt, and power hungry.
Every government agency in the country gets a budget to work with each year. If they don't spend the allotted funds by the end of the year, it's not included in their next years allotment. So, what do they do? Spend it all at the end of the year on unnecessary crap, so they don't lose it the following year. Meanwhile, the debt keeps rising. In fact, you want them to raise the debt ceiling.

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Since: May 12

Lake Charles, LA

#2250 Nov 9, 2012
okb2 wrote:
<quoted text>Adding to my final point, opportunity is lacking, I would point out that technology is destroying jobs left and right with little being done to replace them.

Cell towers and the internet are destroying jobs for linemen, home wiring installation, tree farmers growing poles, and others.

ebooks are destroying jobs for pulpwood farmers and those that harvest the wood, paper manufacturers and their employee's, printers and binders as well as distributors and book stores.

California became the third state to allow vehicles on their roads without a driver. They still have to have someone behind the wheel just in case, but that won't last forever. If this technology works out you can say good by to truck drivers, taxi-cab drivers, chauffers and others.

Many in manufacturing have already been replaced by automation.
So technology needs to halt? I've got news for you. It's not.

How about this? Keep up with technology. Go into technically advanced fields. Build those technical components here in America. Tax the hell out of the components from China.

Since: Jan 10

Las Vegas, NV

#2251 Nov 10, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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You can only lead those willing to follow. The American people see an unwillingness to follow in the Republican Party. Keep it up for two more years and we can talk about it in 2014.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-07/coul...
"There were more filibusters between 2009 and 2010 than there were in the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s combined. A strategy memo written after the 1964 election by Mike Manatos, Lyndon B. Johnsonís Senate liaison, calculated that in the new Senate, Medicare would pass with 55 votes - the filibuster didnít even figure into the administrationís planning."
President Obama; Speaker Boehner; and Senator Reid.
Of the three, which one is not talking compromise?
We see it in the House and we see it in the Senate. The Senate however may be moving to change fillibuster rules. It is in the link.
obama's task is very clear then. Identify those republicans willing to follow him. Throw them a carrot. That's the nature of politics -- this for that. If he throws no carrots, what's the incentive to follow?

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#2252 Nov 10, 2012
Here in Vegas wrote:
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obama's task is very clear then. Identify those republicans willing to follow him. Throw them a carrot. That's the nature of politics -- this for that. If he throws no carrots, what's the incentive to follow?
I bet we going to see alot of the Republicans follow.

Since: Jul 12

Greenbelt, MD

#2253 Nov 11, 2012
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
<quoted text>
So technology needs to halt? I've got news for you. It's not.
How about this? Keep up with technology. Go into technically advanced fields. Build those technical components here in America. Tax the hell out of the components from China.
Where did I say technology has to stop?

What I did say is that technology presents problems to us with job destruction and that we need to figure out what to do about it or our problems will get worse.

It is easy to say go into technology, but it is destroying more jobs than it is creating.

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Lake Charles, LA

#2254 Nov 11, 2012
okb2 wrote:
<quoted text>Where did I say technology has to stop?

What I did say is that technology presents problems to us with job destruction and that we need to figure out what to do about it or our problems will get worse.

It is easy to say go into technology, but it is destroying more jobs than it is creating.
You apparently have difficulty with the English Language and its writing methods.
Where did I state that you said technology has to stop?

As for your second paragraph, I addressed that.

Manufacturing the materials for the latest technology here in the USA is the solution.

Since: Jul 12

Greenbelt, MD

#2255 Nov 11, 2012
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
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You apparently have difficulty with the English Language and its writing methods.
Where did I state that you said technology has to stop?
As for your second paragraph, I addressed that.
Manufacturing the materials for the latest technology here in the USA is the solution.
"So technology has to stop?"

It might be part of the solution, but it does not provide enough jobs to be "the" solution.

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