'What ifs' for The Villages in IRS fight

'What ifs' for The Villages in IRS fight

There are 48 comments on the Orlando Sentinel story from May 29, 2009, titled 'What ifs' for The Villages in IRS fight. In it, Orlando Sentinel reports that:

Don't even ask, Villagers. Of course you want to know how your pocketbook will fare in the latest exchanges in the IRS dispute with the government that runs your community.

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George Brown

United States

#1 May 30, 2009
In other words, its time to pay the piper. This crook should have that much buried around the mansion. He has been too busy sucking up to Crist and the Republicans who can't help him now and failed to see this one coming. H. Gary Morse does not control everything like he thinks he does. He controls most local politicians and Marlene his O'toole. Great job IRS get them suckers that's been coniving and stealing so us poor folks had to pay for everything. This is change I can believe in.
Capital Idea

Farmington, CT

#2 May 30, 2009
Where does all this leave the poor bond investor - who took a low interest rate because he thought the interest was tax free?

Class action lawsuit?

Also, it's not clear how all this will affect the Villages property owners? Values? Monthly expenses? Bond Balances? Inquiring minds want to know!
FedUp

Kissimmee, FL

#3 May 30, 2009
Lauren just wants us all to be socialists. Poor little non-working guy should get a stab at the Morse family morsels. I'm sure Morse did all this stuff on the valid advice of lawyers and accountants. Now, he is a big fish so he is a big target.

Taxpayers, ask yourselves what the army of IRS agents, accountants, and lawyers will cost you to find this "dirt" on the Morse development. Sure, if the IRS spends millions in investigations they will find a few things off kilter with a development that grew so fast. Ask yourselves, is it Morse being screwed over or just the little guys again? IRS is more criminal than the Villages.
Former Employee

Orlando, FL

#4 May 30, 2009
FedUp wrote:
Lauren just wants us all to be socialists. Poor little non-working guy should get a stab at the Morse family morsels. I'm sure Morse did all this stuff on the valid advice of lawyers and accountants. Now, he is a big fish so he is a big target.
Taxpayers, ask yourselves what the army of IRS agents, accountants, and lawyers will cost you to find this "dirt" on the Morse development. Sure, if the IRS spends millions in investigations they will find a few things off kilter with a development that grew so fast. Ask yourselves, is it Morse being screwed over or just the little guys again? IRS is more criminal than the Villages.
As a former long term employee of The Villages I can state emphatically that Morse is not the victim here. He created a market where there was not one, and thus should be allowed to make as much money as people are willing to pay him to live in his community. The problem is that he was not satisfied with being ordinarily rich, his greed lead him to take advantage of the people he sold homes to in these districts. Imagine if your homeowners association was made up of friends and employees of the developer and the residents of your subdivision were not allowed to take part in the decisions that were made. Imagine that these people decided that they needed millions of dollars from you to keep the lawns mowed, pick up trash etc. That is the crux of the problem. When a manager is hired at The Villages he or she is assigned a seat on one of these district boards, he or she is then told how to vote on each and every issue. After all..the developer knows what is best for you...doesn't he?
Lee Ning

Lady Lake, FL

#5 May 30, 2009
Are we having a little "schadenfreude"today .:-)
Quantrell

Ponte Vedra Beach, FL

#6 May 31, 2009
Aw...to bad. Close the Villages and send the Yanks packing. Now that would be the best thing for Central Florida. Not only do they speak funny they smell funny.
Poor Gary

Palestine, TX

#7 May 31, 2009
It is a beautiful day in the Villages.
Sick em, IRS.
danny

Harwich, MA

#8 May 31, 2009
I wonder how many other retirement communities in Florida did the same thing? Did WCI build all their community ammenties with tax exempt bonds? This is going to be very interesting
What Ifs

Longwood, FL

#9 May 31, 2009
The "What Ifs" Ms. Ritchie, the Sentinel, and Tribune Publications should be asking but have obviously steered-clear of doing because it may not be politically correct to do so, or for whatever reason, but in any case they are clearly not asking --- is what is it costing (OUR) Lake County's 38,000 public school students because of their lost learning opportunities which is the direct result of mismanagement, nepotism, and in plain terms the "good ole' girl network" that is pervasive from the school board on down to the classroom? Whom, how, and when will the so-called "responsble authorities" be held accountable and "responsible" for the hundreds of in-the-classroom teacher, janitor, and support personnel being laid-off when our kids need them more than ever, and millions-of-dollars wasted each year for a less than mediocre educational product? I could give a rat's behind about the Villages when thousands of OUR beautiful children are being denied the educational opportunities and future well being that they deserve, in my opinion. "What If" the Sentinel turns its attention to doing an indepth investigation and publish a report as to what is happening in the Lake County Public Schools instead of wasting resources on "informing" its readers about how the rich old white people in the Villages are potentially at-risk? They have the money to fight for themselves but our kids don't.
Fan

United States

#10 May 31, 2009
Not that these are bad people but this is the American way. Blood sucker all that you can from all that you can. They are the biggest contributions to the Republican Party in the country and that is not a bad thing if that is where your feeding trouch is. I don't labor that. I lived there for almost ten years and didn't like the set up but nothing that other governing body isn't doing. I was able to see some of the money going back into The Villages and for the most part of the situation...very comfort with that. Some things could and should have been handle differ but so are things in Orlando, New York, L.A. and other cities.No matter where you live, the people are at the mercy of those in control and The Villages are no worse or better then the country as a whole. George Bush did more to this country then The Villages can ever be guilty of and how about the IRS going after him and his cronies for pretending to run this country as a legal body. People don't really change things. All we can do is vote out one set of crooks and install a new set of thevies. I am just a Fan.
Tim Green

Apopka, FL

#11 May 31, 2009
Looks like 1 dollar to pay bills of the mock government and 2 dollars for Morse.
Morse is getting paid twice for all this,ask any original buyer at the villages,they paid all sorts of made up "fees" to look like actual government fees that went straight to Morse's bank account.
Lets see if I understand,he used much of this money to buy infrastructure from himself without giving up control?
I saw the post about socialism,what form of government would this be called,when voting residents and citizens of these alleged "governing bodies" pay twice what it costs to run the alleged "government" with absolutely no carry over of money.
I wouldn't be surprised if most or all residents didn't enter into a class action he bond holders should also receive reparations from Morse.
Kikikae

Leesburg, FL

#12 Jun 1, 2009
We had to accept a $64,000,000 bill for an county assessment of $6,000,000. We were told it was based on "future use". We had no recourse since we had no voting privileges, this was rammed down our throats. We tried fighting, but no help from Florida government.Hmmm If we have to end up paying for this mess, we'll be moving in with the kids and no one will be buying our present home with all the strings attached.
a daughter

Grand Island, FL

#13 Jun 1, 2009
As I said when this first made the news---check Gary Morse's background from northern Michigan where he came from. He had a business up there that folded, next thing I know he is down here and I could never understand how he could pull something like the Villages off......It makes me wonder where the original money came from.
Nici

Alexandria, VA

#14 Jun 2, 2009
Whatever is said about the Villages and how the developer handles his business is fine but leave the residents out of this. These are veterans, and retirees who have worked hard their entire lives and deserve the life they have now. My parents included! All of you nasty Lake/Sumter County locals that want the Villages to burn need to think about what the community and its residents have done for you! Without them you would be without jobs and your local businesses.. like restaurants, shops... you think they would be doing so well without all those retirees? Think again. The issue is with the stupid Morse family not with Village residents.
Nici

Alexandria, VA

#15 Jun 2, 2009
Quantrell wrote:
Aw...to bad. Close the Villages and send the Yanks packing. Now that would be the best thing for Central Florida. Not only do they speak funny they smell funny.
Sure, lets get rid of a bunch of aging retirees with lots of $$ to blow and send them to another state... we don't need them here... not when we are doing SO well.

IDIOT.
Conservative Republican

Orlando, FL

#16 Jun 2, 2009
A great reason to abolish CDD "governments" and require builders to pay full fare on the amenities. If prospective home buyers don't want to pay higher monthly charges, they can look elsewhere.
Wanta Be Senator

United States

#17 Jun 3, 2009
CDD's are given to crooked cronies by
Crist and McCollum, then Crist rewards
Mori Nosseini with a seat on the St John's water board. It is one crooked deal after another with the musical chairs dudes. No recycled politicians!

Stanaki Land deal in Volusia County should hurt Crists and McCollum . FDEP/ DSL was negotiating to buy land from a major Republican donor Mori Hosseini. In derrogation of a court ruling (Case 05-001852) Crist and Bush and granted development entitlements on the Land (FLAWC053106) while negotiations were in process. Hosseini was allowed to get new appraisals and raised the asking price from 8 to 16 million. Crist then had FDEP end negotiations and asked DCA to fund the purchase through a FCT Grant reimbursement program. This allowed new appraisals to be used by the State. Last Thursday (FCT Governing Board Meeting) DCA Secretary Pelham approved funding the purchase at the higher per acre price. FCT Director Reecy said the earlier FDEP appraisals and offers were "irrelevant" and removed them from the files prior to staff and Board review of the grant application (08-004-FF8). Both McCollum and Crist received donations before and since the Pioneer CDD was granted

UPDATE: CRIST APPOINTS HOSSEINI’S SISTER TO ST. JOHNS WATER
MANAGEMENT BOARD

Gov. Charlie Crist has picked two new people to serve on the regional water management district board for Central Florida – a Volusia County engineer with development ties and an Alachua County law professor with environmental ties.
Crist named Maryam H. Ghyabi, 50, of Ormond Beach, and Richard G. Hamann, 58, of Gainesville, to the St. Johns River Water Management District governing board, which controls water consumption permits, approves wetland permits and decides how much water the local utilities can siphon from the St. Johns River. The district includes parts of 18 counties, including most of metro Orlando.
Ghyabi is president of Ghyabi & Associates, a transportation engineering and planning firm that has been a consultant on many local transportation issues. She is a sister of Mori Hosseini, a big-time developer based in Daytona Beach. Hosseini is a Republican super-fundraiser, ranking as a “Ranger” who raised at least $200,000 for President Bush's 2004 re-election campaign. Hosseini and his array of companies frequently show up in many elected officials' campaign finance reports.
Hamann teaches water and ecosystem law at the University of Florida's Center for Governmental Responsibility. His professional affiliations include the Florida Defenders of the Environment and the Alachua Conservation Trust.
If approved by the state Senate, Ghyabi would replace David G. Graham of Jacksonville and Hamann would replace Ann T. Moore, the Flagler County representative.
Where Is Sentinel

Longwood, FL

#18 Jun 3, 2009
Where is the Sentinel's "Journalists" when all of this crapola has been coming down? On the one-hand all we hear about is how did the Niagra Water come off, oh wha wha how did it happena and who was behind the deal and then we look around and behold Crist's and McCollum's and "W's" "Ranger" campaing contributors are gaining all sorts of appointments and look-the-other-way deals to enrich themselves -- so where is the Sentinel "Braintrust" when all this has been drizzling on our heads? IT WIL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHO THE SENTINEL EDIOTORIAL BOARD ENDORSES FOR FLORIDA'S NEXT SENATOR AND GOVERNOR? Don't be surprised if it turns out that they endorse Crist and McCollum. La de da, as Mister Rodgers would sing "its a beautiful day in the neighborhood" with chorus of be sure to wash your hands boys and girls to get rid of all that filthy money's germs children.
Only in America

Orlando, FL

#19 Jun 3, 2009
Why would anyone naturally assume that the IRS is correct in any of its interpretations of anything? How did the IRS do in its recent criminal prosecution of the race car driver? If you don't know, here's a hint----he just won the Indy 500----from behind the seat of a car and not from a jail cell.

People might not like Mr. Morse too much----but my guess is that most people--even Villagers--like the IRS even less.
Dale Miller

Zephyrhills, FL

#20 Jun 5, 2009
I heard that the Agents aunt lives there and she does not want to pay the fees even though they were disclosed to het when she bought. True?

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