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A Florida judge released Fathima Rifqa Bary after reviewing her immigration status.

[Jason]

Rifqa's uncertain immigration status cannot and should not delay her return; Judge Daniel P. Dawson hasn't been informed her immigration status has no bearing on a case where the her father was falsely accused of trying to kill her.

Her immigratino status is a federal issue not a state issue. Someone put this judge right!

[Reader]

She will really be back in a setting where she can begin to work on her primary issues, which seem to be finding a sense of identity that integrates her family heritage of Islam, her adopted religion of Christianity as well as finding a place for herself as a Western teenager from an immigrant family. Heavy load, but I believe that both she and her family have been seeking answers and will continue to do so.

[think not]

After shaming her family so, there will be no reconciliation. The Muslim way prevails.

[kittyadolph]

Rifqa thought surely America was different then Sri Lanka. She did what we teach our children to do - run to the authorities for help when you are or feel that you are endangered. The FL court system and Department of Children and Families have once again treated a human being as a hot potato. They were given a wonderful opportunity to prove that they are, as they claim to be, truly interested in the welfare of a child, but have again tossed her back into the hands of her abusers. At least they are consistent. Will Ohio proof to be any better or are they, too, more interested in political correctness? Is the life of one small girl the price they are willing to pay to keep their machine running and their lives a little easier? If something should happen to her, who all will be guilty of her blood? God sees, God knows all, God does care and He does keep very accurate records. He will require us to give an account for our actions. God help us, we need real justice!!

[Reader]

kittyadolph wrote:

Rifqa thought surely America was different then Sri Lanka. She did what we teach our children to do - run to the authorities for help when you are or feel that you are endangered. The FL court system and Department of Children and Families have once again treated a human being as a hot potato. They were given a wonderful opportunity to prove that they are, as they claim to be, truly interested in the welfare of a child, but have again tossed her back into the hands of her abusers. At least they are consistent. Will Ohio proof to be any better or are they, too, more interested in political correctness? Is the life of one small girl the price they are willing to pay to keep their machine running and their lives a little easier? If something should happen to her, who all will be guilty of her blood? God sees, God knows all, God does care and He does keep very accurate records. He will require us to give an account for our actions. God help us, we need real justice!!

I actually read through most of the transcript. There are several things that stand out. One is that most of Rifqa's close friends were people that she met on the internet. Another is that while she describes her "secret life," or a schism between two versions of herself, the division was between the online Rifqa and the walking around real-world Rifqa. This is a bit surprising--one might have expected that the division might have fallen between her family life and her school encounters. But she was clear that her school acquaintances did not have knowledge of "her situation," by which she means a girl from a Muslim family accepting Christianity. Raises some questions--did they not know that Rifqa Bary was an immigrant from another country, whose mother wears hijab? Hard to imagine them missing this. Did they not know about Rifqa's Christianity? Well, we know that Rifqa was proselytizing at school, so a bit hard to miss that part. Could it be that what her online friends knew, that her friends and daily encounters were missing, was something of a fantasy? A construction built from bits and pieces of the teachings of online fundamentalists who absolutely reject Islam and use a variety of events to justify this? Online she could be Rifqa, the girl whose faith might cost her everything, not Rifqa the girl whose mom dresses and talks funny. And this fantasy has been reinforced by a variety of fundamentalists who have used her as a witness to their point of view. They have put her face and voice online in multiple ways and told her how strong and special she is, how blessed. Pretty heady stuff for a girl who even as a cheerleader and AP student isn't going to "blend" with the other New Albany students--a girl who lives in a small apartment, not a house with four bedrooms and baths on a half acre. A girl whose father travels on business, selling gems and whose mother takes in piece work for a wedding gown enterprise.

It's no wonder she loved her florida experience--lving in a house with two white parents who are already well schooled in American culture. Parents who hugged her and made her a hero. The fantasy come true.

[Freddie]

I believe her parents wanted to 'marry her off' so that they could collect a nice 'Dowry' of gold and cows.

[Bob Ervin]

At least, she's away from born-again Christians. I used to be one until I discovered they believe in war. Now, they're against health care reform when Jesus said to take care of the sick. They're hypocrites.

[Diane Virginia]

No one really knows if she is in danger or not. I say let her live with the Christians. She is old enough to know what she wants. This is America where you can practice whatever religion you want to. I don't agree with Muslims and I wish they weren't around here but it's time for Christains to stand up for Christians. It's time for whites to stand up for whites. We are the endangered parties!!!! Muslims, blacks, and other minorities have taken over out country. Let this girl be who she wants to be--and follow the traditions of our country not her homeland's. That family may treat her like a slave and feel disgraced by what she has done. I won't be surprised if she ends up dead at their hand because of their "shame". They should be proud that she knows her own mind and has her own ideas but they want her to be subserviant and live the way they want her to be. It's not like she wanted to rob and kill people! She just wants to love the lord!!

[LOL]

kittyadolph wrote:

Rifqa thought surely America was different then Sri Lanka. She did what we teach our children to do - run to the authorities for help when you are or feel that you are endangered. The FL court system and Department of Children and Families have once again treated a human being as a hot potato. They were given a wonderful opportunity to prove that they are, as they claim to be, truly interested in the welfare of a child, but have again tossed her back into the hands of her abusers. At least they are consistent. Will Ohio proof to be any better or are they, too, more interested in political correctness? Is the life of one small girl the price they are willing to pay to keep their machine running and their lives a little easier? If something should happen to her, who all will be guilty of her blood? God sees, God knows all, God does care and He does keep very accurate records. He will require us to give an account for our actions. God help us, we need real justice!!

1. Sri Lanka is not an islamic country.
2. The state of ohio is not her abuser.
3. She did not run to authorities. She ran away to a couple in florida whi kept her hidden from the authorities for 2 weeks, and when they did take her to the authorities, they took her to florida authorities, who held her for several months, despite having no jurisdictional basis for keeping the case in Florida.

[Radio Jihad]

This case is a cultural battle between Sharia/Islamic Law and U.S. Constitutional Law, let me explain.

In America Rifqa changing faiths is NOT a crime but an extentsion of the individuals right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of happiness.

In Islam Rifqa committed the crime of APOSTASY TO ALLAH - the punishment is death as codified in ALL schools of Islamic Jurisprudence. Apostasy is viewed in Islam as crime worse than cold blooded murder.

Fact: Sharia Apostasy Laws in this case are NOT compatible with American Laws.

Solution: Sharia Apostasy Laws, to start, must be legislatively ruled illegal in the USA.

Why: There is nothing more destructive to any country to entertain competing and opposite legal systems. Islamic groups like CAIR, MAS, ISNA, and the MSA should be teaching Muslims to assimilate to American Laws and our culture. The best way to do that is to Support the U.S. Constitution over the Draconian Sharia Apostasy Laws. Muslim leaders have not done this because the Political Doctrine of Islam will not allow them to even mention it because it will be blasphemy to Islam. And the punishment Blasphemy to Islam by a Muslim or Non-Muslim is death. Harsh yes but true.

Rifqa Bary is the poster child for this cultural and legal clash between Sharia Law and U.S. Law. Rifqa Bary embodies this battle because she is one of the few apostates who are still Alive and willing to openly proclaim her apostasy thus shaming her Muslim family, community, Mohammad, and Allah himself. Rifqa is a dead girl walking.

Rifqa exposes the non-Islamist world to the putrid teachings and punishments embeded in Sharia Law, Sharia Law is Islam and Islam is Sharia Law.

Now YOU engaged posters following this story must NOW make a Judgement Call Sharia Law v. U.S. Constitution - Only one can survive in America - Which do you CHOOSE?

[LOL]

Radio Jihad wrote:

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Solution: Sharia Apostasy Laws, to start, must be legislatively ruled illegal in the USA.
Why: There is nothing more destructive to any country to entertain competing and opposite legal systems. Islamic groups like CAIR, MAS, ISNA, and the MSA should be teaching Muslims to assimilate to American Laws and our culture. The best way to do that is to Support the U.S. Constitution over the Draconian Sharia Apostasy Laws. Muslim leaders have not done this because the Political Doctrine of Islam will not allow them to even mention it because it will be blasphemy to Islam. And the punishment Blasphemy to Islam by a Muslim or Non-Muslim is death. Harsh yes but true.
Rifqa Bary is the poster child for this cultural and legal clash between Sharia Law and U.S. Law. Rifqa Bary embodies this battle because she is one of the few apostates who are still Alive and willing to openly proclaim her apostasy thus shaming her Muslim family, community, Mohammad, and Allah himself. Rifqa is a dead girl walking.
Rifqa exposes the non-Islamist world to the putrid teachings and punishments embeded in Sharia Law, Sharia Law is Islam and Islam is Sharia Law.
Now YOU engaged posters following this story must NOW make a Judgement Call Sharia Law v. U.S. Constitution - Only one can survive in America - Which do you CHOOSE?

That's a very interesting post, but since the US Constitution is already the supreme law of the land, I would say the race is already won, dude.

[Reader]

Radio Jihad wrote:

Islamic groups like CAIR, MAS, ISNA, and the MSA should be teaching Muslims to assimilate to American Laws and our culture. The best way to do that is to Support the U.S. Constitution over the Draconian Sharia Apostasy Laws. Muslim leaders have not done this because the Political Doctrine of Islam will not allow them to even mention it because it will be blasphemy to Islam.

I know that the topix locations are not to be trusted--nevertheless, it is no surprise that you are listed as Orlando, Florida. I am guessing that you have no first-hand knowledge of the Moor Islamic Cultural Center, or any programs supported by CAIR, etc. In point of fact, it doesn't seem to matter much in the court of your public opinion what is said by Islamic leaders--and I have heard many decry the whole concept of "honor killings," or other punishment for apostasy as being incompatible with Islam. Because as soon as any Muslim makes such a claim, they are countered with this taqqiya nonsense--presented as sort of a pass to tell outright lies to further the murderous aims of Islam. I believe that they are deriving this from an allowance given to one who does not pray religiously when they are likely to be killed for doing so.

Personally, I would direct Christians who believe that they have some kind of personal assignment to blaspheme against Muslims to read and understand some of the letters of Paul. Paul really understood that you cannot convert someone without first identifying some commonalities with them--even in their religious beliefs. And for those who claim, as you do, that this is a Constitutional issue, I suggest that you look into the Contstitution, and particularly the non-establishment clause, and why it is there.

Yes, there have been claims levelled against a few zealous--or insane--individuals in this country claiming Sharia as justification for brutal killings. This does not add up to any widespread acceptance of their particular idiocy--any more than the Christian church is fairly judged by the actions of Jim Jones or the folks at Waco--all of whom could claim a Biblical inspiration.

[kittyadolph]

I think LOL that what Radio Jihad is saying that the US Constitution is not truly being held up as the supreme law of the land. Once again the politicians are not upholding the law but instead interpreting it.
Has anyone listened to the tape or read the transcript of Rifqa's interview of FDLE? You decide whether what was decided for her for right or politically correct. http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shru...

[LOL]

kittyadolph wrote:

I think LOL that what Radio Jihad is saying that the US Constitution is not truly being held up as the supreme law of the land. Once again the politicians are not upholding the law but instead interpreting it.
Has anyone listened to the tape or read the transcript of Rifqa's interview of FDLE? You decide whether what was decided for her for right or politically correct. http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shru...

I understood his/her point, but I don't really believe that the constitution is being subverted by having the jurisdiction returned to Ohio, which is where it should have been in the first place. If anything, Florida has disregarded the constitution in this case, by not granting the Ohio order for her return under "full faith and credit." The current issue is not whether there is a "credible threat" by the parents. It is a jurisdictional issue. Once she is returned to Ohio, the Ohio court can determine the merits of her claim. But if you read the blogs like atlas shrugs, you would think that the state of Ohio is waiting to execute her.

[Reader]

LOL wrote:

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But if you read the blogs like atlas shrugs, you would think that the state of Ohio is waiting to execute her.

Pam Gellar has even suggested that Governor Strickland in allied with terrorists.

[Reader]

kittyadolph wrote:

I think LOL that what Radio Jihad is saying that the US Constitution is not truly being held up as the supreme law of the land. Once again the politicians are not upholding the law but instead interpreting it.
Has anyone listened to the tape or read the transcript of Rifqa's interview of FDLE? You decide whether what was decided for her for right or politically correct. http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shru...

In fact, I did read the transcript--the full transcript, not the one cut up by Pam Gellar and interspersed with her snide comments. In reading it, it is important to keep in mind that Rifqa's experience of Sri Lanka was up to the age of something like seven. When she talks about Islamic law infecting all aspects of the culture and politics, I think that she is not explaining her experience--but rather what has been fed to her by folks who have an anti-Islamic agenda and write on the internet. Folks like, oh, say, Pam Gellar--although there are others.

Rifqa was a good girl despite having to go it alone without any ready access to her coaches/legal team. She told the FDLE to investigate the Noor Center, and to talk to Jamal Jivanjee and a number of other internet friends who could testify on her behalf. The problem of course being that none of these people had any first-hand knowledge of Rifqa's family. It's pretty hard to find in the whole interview anything substantial with regard to abuse. Anything specific always kinds of trails off and she goes into the whole "you have to understand" speech about Islamic law. Clearly her parents had an arranged marriage and likely expected the same for their children, when they reach marriageable age. This is not the same thing as having had a marriage already lined up for Rifqa--as she herself pointed out.

The one very interesting personage in this whole story is the attorney who was originally appointed by the Florida court to represent Aysha Bary. He had been at the courthouse with an expectation of representing Rifqa (who already had lawyers a plenty). He worked on the Terry Schiavo case and is religiously connected to some of the attorneys on Rifqa's side. Since being dismissed, he has been free of the Court's gag order and has consistently urged bloggers and others not to get ahead of the story and challenged some of the published misinformation. I rather tend to trust his impartiality here.

[Arizona Don]

Bob Ervin wrote:

At least, she's away from born-again Christians. I used to be one until I discovered they believe in war. Now, they're against health care reform when Jesus said to take care of the sick. They're hypocrites.

At least born-again Christians dont perform "honor killings" like Muslims sometimes do & those have been well-documented: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php...

And yet ignorant clowns like you act as if it was Christians who attacked the U.S. on 9/11...pathetic!!

[Arizona Don]

This is a total sham...FDLE's "investigation" was done under the supervision of CAIR, a Saudi-financed apologist group for radical Islam that is an unindicted co-conspirator in the 2007 Holy Land Foundation terror-funding case. That's why the FBI severed all official relationships with CAIR and yet the FDLE inexplicably allowed that same group's involvement in their investigation which, not surprisingly, found "no threat" to Rifqa Bary's safety!!

Here is what MODERATE Muslim groups had to say about the FBI's decision to sever all cooperative relations with CAIR: http://www.islamicpluralism.org/documents/982...

[Joe Kaffir]

"no credible threat to her life"

What do they need, a DEAD body?

WE IN THE CIVILIZED WORLD DO NOT KILL APOSTATES OR CUT THEIR HEADS OFF.

BUT I Z L A M DOES and has a 1400 year track record to prove it. Just ask the "murderer for profit", mohamed.

WHAT PART OF IZLAM DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND ?

[MrOwl1939]

It would be interesting to ask Leon Klingerhoff or Daniel Pearl about Islam but unfortunately that is impossible in this life. I would be nice if one could ask the Mother and her two daughters who were butchered in Atlanta, Georgia in front of the son and brother because they fled their homeland to keep the daughters from being genitally mutilated by the wonderful Moslem elders but again unfortunately they are demised. Is anyone stupid enough to believe a Moslem is different in the United States than in Africa, Ceylon, Persia, Saudi Arabia or any other country on this earth. I am one of those dumb, stupid Christians who has read Quran and talked personally with Christians from the Sudan and other nations whose families were butchered by Jinjaweed and other such wonderful, peace loving, humane Moslems. The satanic moon god, allah, is not the creator of the universe whose name is Jehovah. Have a wonderful day.