More than 1,000 dead birds fall from sky in Ark

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Raptor in Michigan wrote:

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If a German attacks an American, should we bomb Germany?
If a Canadian attacks an American, should we bomb Canada?
See what I'm sayin'?

Nope I do not see what you are saying. If a German attacks an American we should kill that German. If a German Country attacks Americans we should attack that German Country. The German military machine attacked us, mainly Nazis not the German every day people, yet we bombed them into oblivion. It was the only way they would accept defeat and peace would come. If Canada attacks us we should kick their ass pure and simple..

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Raptor in Michigan wrote:

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"The constitution and bill of rights do not apply to anybody who is not on American soil."
Please show me where it says that in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights!
"Sure you can kill people and wipe them out because you think they might attack Americans. We do it all the time."
And people wonder why they want to attack us! Dude, Read what you just wrote and think about that!
People speed all the time too. Doesn't mean it's legal or right.

It is not written in the Constitution. I dare you to go to Mexico and carry a hand gun on your hip. When they arrest you just tell them that the Constitution allows you to bear arms. I dare you to go to Iran and talk to people about Christianity, when they arrest you just tell them that you have not only freedom of religion but freedom of speech in the Constitution.

If you had evidence that the 9/11 hijackers were going to board planes and crash them into buildings and kill thousands of not only Americans but innocent people from all over the world and the plan was in motion and the only thing you could do was drop a bomb on them and kill them before they arrived at the airport to carry out their attack what would you do?

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Raptor in Michigan wrote:

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When I see a dog on my property I think, "Hmmm, I wonder if he has a collar with a phone number so I can call his owners."

When I see one on my property I wonder how much damage this guy will do before I can get my gun. If he goes about his business and leaves then he leaves alive..

[Todd Mcdougle]

WARRIOR wrote:

<quoted text>When I see one on my property I wonder how much damage this guy will do before I can get my gun. If he goes about his business and leaves then he leaves alive..

I was fixing fence today & whileI was taking a break a black female cat came along hunting the fence row. I nailed it to the ground with a 12guage 00 buckshot. This weather is ideal for repairing fences.Not too hot. the overgrowth is still dormant allowing me to see wire, rocks & stuff that could dull my chainsaw.And its wet enough that the ground is soft enough for me to drive cedar fence post. I drive my wooden fence post by hand with a 16 pound post maul. I like to have every other fence post be a wood one.

[Good for YOU]

Yeah, my neighbor does that same thing to stray dogs who pass through his fields when he's out doing any work or just checking his property. Says he'd hate to see a stray get hit by a car and upset the driver, with all that mess and everything. Recently he asked me to go bird hunting sometime when I'm free, and I will, but my own dog has been limping quite a bit lately for some reason. May have to get a new one if he doesn't perk up a bit pretty soon.

[Raptor in Michigan]

Churmudgeon wrote:

<quoted text> Its a mixed blessing. It depends on how you perfer to look at it? When the land is divided up and improvements are made the county recieves more in tax revenue from the land. And When its sold on easy credit terms many folks who previously where renting can now become landowners for less than they where paying rent. Ive found many times when someone buy,s land they suddenly become better citizens. Its because they put down roots and have money and sweat equity in the property. I like to see folks aquire real property & progress. If the county would pass a leash law or those folks become responsible pet owners. that subdivision wouldnt bother me the least little bit. I believe in letting folks do as they wish as long as it doesnt adversely affect their neighbors. When we cleared all of our bottom land for row crop,s. many folks where angry that I bulldozed and burnt all the trees.( I refered to it as rain forest syndrome) It was none of their buisness. Shure I liked the trees and squirrl hunting ect. but I like the income from the row crop much more.

"When the land is divided up and improvements are made the county recieves more in tax revenue from the land."
Which doesn't affect me one bit.

"And When its sold on easy credit terms many folks who previously where renting can now become landowners"
In other words, people can go deeply into debt by buying stuff they can't afford and paying interest on it. That has caused hardship for lots of people.

"I believe in letting folks do as they wish as long as it doesnt adversely affect their neighbors."
Me too. That includes our non-human neighbors.

"When we cleared all of our bottom land for row crop,s. many folks where angry that I bulldozed and burnt all the trees."
I used to watch lots of bird activity in a beautiful dead giant old oak tree down the street from my home. One day I saw the neighbors out by the tree with a chainsaw. As soon as the first branch fell, I immediately went over there and questioned what they were doing. I tried explaining to them why they should leave the tree alone. Like most people, they were just ignorant and oblivious to the wildlife among them and of the importance of dead trees to cavity nesting birds.

[WARRIOR]

Raptor in Michigan wrote:

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"When the land is divided up and improvements are made the county recieves more in tax revenue from the land."
Which doesn't affect me one bit.
"And When its sold on easy credit terms many folks who previously where renting can now become landowners"
In other words, people can go deeply into debt by buying stuff they can't afford and paying interest on it. That has caused hardship for lots of people.
"I believe in letting folks do as they wish as long as it doesnt adversely affect their neighbors."
Me too. That includes our non-human neighbors.
"When we cleared all of our bottom land for row crop,s. many folks where angry that I bulldozed and burnt all the trees."
I used to watch lots of bird activity in a beautiful dead giant old oak tree down the street from my home. One day I saw the neighbors out by the tree with a chainsaw. As soon as the first branch fell, I immediately went over there and questioned what they were doing. I tried explaining to them why they should leave the tree alone. Like most people, they were just ignorant and oblivious to the wildlife among them and of the importance of dead trees to cavity nesting birds.

Let me get this right, you went over to your neighbors and told them they should leave a dead tree in their yard while they were cutting it down? In New Mexico that tree might have accidentally fallen on you, over and over and over ......

[Raptor in Michigan]

Todd Mcdougle wrote:

<quoted text> I was fixing fence today & whileI was taking a break a black female cat came along hunting the fence row. I nailed it to the ground with a 12guage 00 buckshot. This weather is ideal for repairing fences.Not too hot. the overgrowth is still dormant allowing me to see wire, rocks & stuff that could dull my chainsaw.And its wet enough that the ground is soft enough for me to drive cedar fence post. I drive my wooden fence post by hand with a 16 pound post maul. I like to have every other fence post be a wood one.

I wish you were up here at the cabin this weekend. There are cat tracks in the yard. I want to make sure I don't see cat tracks no more times.

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Raptor in Michigan wrote:

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I wish you were up here at the cabin this weekend. There are cat tracks in the yard. I want to make sure I don't see cat tracks no more times.

WOW! So you like killing innocent cats? LMAO!

[Raptor in Michigan]

WARRIOR wrote:

<quoted text>Let me get this right, you went over to your neighbors and told them they should leave a dead tree in their yard while they were cutting it down? In New Mexico that tree might have accidentally fallen on you, over and over and over ......

Why, yes. Yes I did. How could I sit there in my yard and watch that knowing they could be killing baby birds? It was during nesting season. Any other time, and wouldn't have cared. You may not give a crap about birds, but lots of people do. Most don't know there is even such thing as a "nesting season."

Do you know how many baby birds are brought to rehabbers each summer because some homeowner was cutting down a tree, then when it's too late, they find the nest or babies on the ground and feel bad and want to save them? I was trying to save these people from the agony of knowing they potentially could have been destroying a family.

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Aren't they rotten and decayed by now?

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Raptor in Michigan wrote:

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Why, yes. Yes I did. How could I sit there in my yard and watch that knowing they could be killing baby birds? It was during nesting season. Any other time, and wouldn't have cared. You may not give a crap about birds, but lots of people do. Most don't know there is even such thing as a "nesting season."
Do you know how many baby birds are brought to rehabbers each summer because some homeowner was cutting down a tree, then when it's too late, they find the nest or babies on the ground and feel bad and want to save them? I was trying to save these people from the agony of knowing they potentially could have been destroying a family.

What about their right of cutting down their tree on their property. Surely you wouldn't want to take that right away from them.........

[Raptor in Michigan]

WARRIOR wrote:

<quoted text>What about their right of cutting down their tree on their property. Surely you wouldn't want to take that right away from them.........

Of course I wouldn't. I also don't want to see uninformed people take the life away from babies. I am pro-life after all.

Native birds are supposedly protected by law. It says nothing in the MBTA about homeowners chopping down trees being exempt from the law. That's why no trees should be cut down during the nesting season! They are free to cut whatever they want the rest of the year.

If the tree was a hazard, that would be different. It wasn't however. It was way out in their yard next to a huge field. No dangerous powerlines near it. The house was not even close to it. In fact, nobody even lives in the house most of the year. It was the caretakers doing the dirty work.

[Churmudgeon]

Raptor in Michigan wrote:

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Of course I wouldn't. I also don't want to see uninformed people take the life away from babies. I am pro-life after all.
Native birds are supposedly protected by law. It says nothing in the MBTA about homeowners chopping down trees being exempt from the law. That's why no trees should be cut down during the nesting season! They are free to cut whatever they want the rest of the year.
If the tree was a hazard, that would be different. It wasn't however. It was way out in their yard next to a huge field. No dangerous powerlines near it. The house was not even close to it. In fact, nobody even lives in the house most of the year. It was the caretakers doing the dirty work.

Several years ago the Arkansas Game & fish comission started this program aimed at saving dead trees. it was called there is life in those dead trees. As a result the failure to remove dead & diseased trees caused the tree boer to flourish. now 90% of the red & white oak tree,s in the Ozarks are infested with boers. Many thousands are dying every year they have since reversed that wrong idea. clear cuts & prescribed burning is the plan today.I will cut any tree I own at any time I need or want to. Its not feasible to harvest timber in winter when its not nesting seasom. Its too wet to muddy and timber dont saw up good if its very cold. I do harvest cedar in winter It grows on a rocky glade . I cut all the dead & diseased trees at any time of the year.

[Raptor in Michigan]

WARRIOR wrote:

<quoted text>WOW! So you like killing innocent cats? LMAO!

Two questions.
How do you conclude that cats are "innocent?"
They are a non-native species that does not belong in my yard. And if you think they are "innocent" you must also think coyotes are innocent.

How do you glean I like killing cats by my statement?
The fact is I have never killed a cat. And if I did ever kill a cat, I certainly would not like doing it.
That's why it would be nice to have Churm here.:)

[fifty1fifty]

Ever watched a fox fight a cat?

[Raptor in Michigan]

Churmudgeon wrote:

<quoted text>Several years ago the Arkansas Game & fish comission started this program aimed at saving dead trees. it was called there is life in those dead trees. As a result the failure to remove dead & diseased trees caused the tree boer to flourish. now 90% of the red & white oak tree,s in the Ozarks are infested with boers. Many thousands are dying every year they have since reversed that wrong idea. clear cuts & prescribed burning is the plan today.I will cut any tree I own at any time I need or want to. Its not feasible to harvest timber in winter when its not nesting seasom. Its too wet to muddy and timber dont saw up good if its very cold. I do harvest cedar in winter It grows on a rocky glade . I cut all the dead & diseased trees at any time of the year.

The AR game and Fish Commission is correct. There IS life in those dead trees. I never said nobody should EVER cut ANY dead trees down. But we could be more responsible about what we do cut. Dead trees are just as important as live ones in a healthy ecosystem.
http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.p...

The borer was in existance long before the dead tree program you speak of started. It is impossible to say the program is solely responsible for the outbreak of the insect into the Ozarks.

MI has a huge problem with the Emerald Ash Borer. It is killing all of our Ash trees, and we never had a save the dead tree program.

It is more likely campers from other areas transporting infested firewood into the Ozarks when they go camping. Birds eat borers too. Namely woodpeckers. Woodpeckers need dead trees to nest and reproduce. Go figure.

[Raptor in Michigan]

Churmudgeon wrote:

<quoted text>Several years ago the Arkansas Game & fish comission started this program aimed at saving dead trees. it was called there is life in those dead trees. As a result the failure to remove dead & diseased trees caused the tree boer to flourish. now 90% of the red & white oak tree,s in the Ozarks are infested with boers. Many thousands are dying every year they have since reversed that wrong idea. clear cuts & prescribed burning is the plan today.I will cut any tree I own at any time I need or want to. Its not feasible to harvest timber in winter when its not nesting seasom. Its too wet to muddy and timber dont saw up good if its very cold. I do harvest cedar in winter It grows on a rocky glade . I cut all the dead & diseased trees at any time of the year.

"Its not feasible to harvest timber in winter when its not nesting seasom. Its too wet to muddy and timber dont saw up good if its very cold."
That depends on where you are. In MI nesting season is generally April through August for most of our protected migratory birds. Cutting trees is feasible the rest of the year (September through early April) with slight threat to some early (and late) nesters, most of which are common and abundant anyway.(doves, robins, cardinals) This is a better time to cut because there are no leaves on the trees. This makes it easier and safer for the men doing the timbering. Wet and muddy isn't a huge problem during this time because the ground is frozen in winter.

[Raptor in Michigan]

fifty1fifty wrote:

Ever watched a fox fight a cat?

No. You?

[Justin Grada]

Nearly 8300 posts later and we're still talking about this shit?