Casino talk for Sturgis area

There are 20 comments on the WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan story from Feb 6, 2009, titled Casino talk for Sturgis area. In it, WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan reports that:

Another new casino could soon appear in West Michigan. But according to the state, don't get too optimistic.

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Since: Oct 08

Dearborn Heights, MI

#21 Feb 8, 2009
Shannon Long wrote:
A casino will bring in jobs, sure. But I am not looking at the bright side. Gambling could bring a rise in prostitution and drugs. Sturgis has been a boring, clean, family-friendly town for years. We hardly even have any bars. I don't think that we will improve our quality of life here by bringing in cheap, tacky casinos.
These people promise a few million to Sturgis in revenues: 4% of their profit. Good grief, just think how much they will be taking from the area! I realize Sturgis needs jobs, but I would rather give these particular ones to some other town.
I think a casino won't bring in any more prostitutes and drugs than what are already there. It is not Las Vegas, you are talking Michigan ... aren't most of the casino regulars over 60 or members of the CRC or both ????
Sandy

Knoxville, TN

#22 Feb 8, 2009
Over 50 wrote:
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I think a casino won't bring in any more prostitutes and drugs than what are already there. It is not Las Vegas, you are talking Michigan ... aren't most of the casino regulars over 60 or members of the CRC or both ????
Actually, no they are not...I know quite a few young people who love the casinos....nice try at a generalized criticism though.

Since: Oct 08

Dearborn Heights, MI

#23 Feb 8, 2009
Sandy wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, no they are not...I know quite a few young people who love the casinos....nice try at a generalized criticism though.
I tried ... just based on experience visiting Atlantic City casinos ... always smelt like "old people", you know ... moth balls and stuff ...

“Lost my mind”

Since: Apr 07

be back later

#24 Feb 8, 2009
Shannon Long wrote:
A casino will bring in jobs, sure. But I am not looking at the bright side. Gambling could bring a rise in prostitution and drugs. Sturgis has been a boring, clean, family-friendly town for years. We hardly even have any bars. I don't think that we will improve our quality of life here by bringing in cheap, tacky casinos.
These people promise a few million to Sturgis in revenues: 4% of their profit. Good grief, just think how much they will be taking from the area! I realize Sturgis needs jobs, but I would rather give these particular ones to some other town.
Why is it when people here casino, they always jump on the drugs and prostitution band wagon? Do you even know the statistic and exactly what the Tribal Casino's have contributed to the towns they are in?

Or are you just listening to the venom Todd Boresma and MICHGO(away) spread?
Judy Bolton

Coldwater, MI

#25 Feb 8, 2009
I'm sure a brothel would bring lots of business to the area too! After all, we shouldn't legislate morality! </sarcasm>

All law is the legislation of morality. Murder is against the law because it's morally wrong. Theft is against the law because it's morally wrong. Prostitution is against the law because it's morally wrong. There is no law without a moral judgment.

It's my opinion that gambling is morally wrong, because it preys on people's weakness. It's just a sophisticated from of theft. Just because some people are willing and eager to be taken in by it, doesn't make it right.

I live 15 miles from Sturgis. This is a quiet, law-abiding, church-going area with a large Amish population. I am sickened by the thought of what a casino would to this community. Yes, we're being hit hard by unemployment, but do we really want to sell our souls this way?

“Mask Carving by Eric Schweig”

Since: Aug 08

Wayland

#26 Feb 8, 2009
Your worried about a casino that would be 15 miles from your home? You should be more worried about the 101 sex offenders that live in Sturgis, than a casino; IF you're going to worry about what goes on 15 miles away.
Gambling has been a part of this country before it even became a Nation. I wonder, have you been against BINGO being played in many of our churches, VFW'S, AMVETS, American Legion halls? Not to mention at county fairgrounds, schools, and other organizations trying to raise money.
You want to talk about sophisticated rip-offs; look at our auto insurance, home owner's insurance, these so called CEO's raking in billions of our tax payers dollars, cash-checking companies, rent-to-own stores, and tax preparing companies....we have a lot of sophisticated theft going on, but how people choose to spend their entertainment dollars is a FREEDOM of choice.
judy levan

AOL

#27 Feb 9, 2009
if nothing else it would put alot of people to work. there is no work in the area now and people are losing their homes and just can't make it. capital hill isn't helping much so i say go for it.

Since: Oct 08

Dearborn Heights, MI

#28 Feb 9, 2009
Judy Bolton wrote:
Prostitution is against the law because it's morally wrong.
It's my opinion that gambling is morally wrong, because it preys on people's weakness.

I live 15 miles from Sturgis. This is a quiet, law-abiding, church-going area with a large Amish population. I am sickened by the thought of what a casino would to this community. Yes, we're being hit hard by unemployment, but do we really want to sell our souls this way?
The first part of your response is YOUR perception of good and evil, and not necessarily the perception of everyone on those subjects. Prostitution is not against the law everywhere and gambling is legal, I believe, in all 50 states.

As for the second part of your response, if the "quiet, law-abiding, church going area with a large Amish population" are true to THEIR morals, the casino should not change them.

Maybe God just wants to challenge you good people and he will judge accordingly when the time comes. I am sure you and your community prayed over this for quite some time and sometimes God just says no.

“lover”

Since: Feb 09

Dorr MI

#29 Feb 9, 2009
Lets Go!
Judy Bolton

Lagrange, IN

#30 Feb 10, 2009
Over 50 wrote:
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The first part of your response is YOUR perception of good and evil, and not necessarily the perception of everyone on those subjects. Prostitution is not against the law everywhere and gambling is legal, I believe, in all 50 states.
Are you saying you'd be okay with a brothel, as long as it was legal?<p>
Or are you saying that because people argue over the definitions of good and evil, that means that good and evil don't really exist, only individual perceptions of good and evil?<p>
If you see something that you believe to be evil, do you have a responsibility to oppose it?

Since: Oct 08

Dearborn Heights, MI

#31 Feb 10, 2009
Judy Bolton wrote:
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Are you saying you'd be okay with a brothel, as long as it was legal?<p>
Or are you saying that because people argue over the definitions of good and evil, that means that good and evil don't really exist, only individual perceptions of good and evil?<p>
If you see something that you believe to be evil, do you have a responsibility to oppose it?
If a brothel was legal, that would be an indication that the people of that community perceive it to be within THEIR level of morals, regardless if you and I would not place it within our perception of being moral.

I won't enter an argument over good and evil because most people view it from a christian ideology and dogma neither of which I am not interested in. Sorry.
here there everywhere

Covert, MI

#32 Feb 10, 2009
little-me wrote:
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We have no great interest in gambling either... but the restaurants are usually really good AND inexpensive. See...? Fun for everyone :)
gee, can we put one in your back yard?
Judy Bolton

Lagrange, IN

#33 Feb 10, 2009
Over 50 wrote:
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If a brothel was legal, that would be an indication that the people of that community perceive it to be within THEIR level of morals, regardless if you and I would not place it within our perception of being moral.
You're making my point, in a roundabout way, by saying that the community level of morals matters. If that's the case, and a community decides that a casino is NOT within their level of morals, then a casino should not be built, even if it IS within the level of your own morals.

You seem to be unaware that casino gambling is illegal in most of Michigan.(I believe Detroit is the only exception.) That's why they have to use the Indian tribes. Federally recognized Native American tribes are considered sovereign political entities and free of state regulation. The tribes obtain land and then petition the state to have it declared tribal land, thus circumventing the prohibition on casino gambling and overriding the state's level of morality.
Happy Valentines

Barnesville, OH

#34 Feb 10, 2009
Michigan Compiled Statutes

Casino Gambling Regulated

432.201 Short title.

This act shall be known and may be cited as the Michigan Gaming Control and Revenue Act.

432.203 Casino gaming authorized.

(1) Casino gaming is authorized to the extent that it is conducted in accordance with this act.

(2) Except as provided in subsection (5), this act does not apply to any of the following:
(a) The pari-mutuel system of wagering used or intended to be used in connection with race meetings as authorized under the horse racing law of 1995, 1995 PA 279, MCL 431.301 to 431.336.
(b) Lottery games authorized under the McCauley-Traxler-Law-Bowman-Mc Neely lottery act, 1972 PA 239, MCL 432.1 to 432.47.
(c) Bingo or millionaire parties or any other activities authorized under the Traxler-McCauley-Law-Bowman bingo act, 1972 PA 382, MCL 432.101 to 432.120.
(d) Gambling on Native American land and land held in trust by the United States for a federally recognized Indian tribe on which gaming may be conducted under the Indian gaming regulatory act, Public Law 100-497, 102 Stat. 2467.
(e) Recreational card playing, bowling, redemption games, and occasional promotional activities under sections 303a, 310a, 310b, 372, and 375 of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.303a, 750.310a, 750.310b, 750.372, and 750.375.

(3) Any other law that is inconsistent with this act does not apply to casino gaming as provided for by this act.

(4) This act and rules promulgated by the board shall apply to all persons who are licensed or otherwise participate in gaming under this act.

(5) If a federal court or agency rules or federal legislation is enacted that allows a state to regulate gambling on Native American land or land held in trust by the United States for a federally recognized Indian tribe, the legislature shall enact legislation creating a new act consistent with this act to regulate casinos that are operated on Native American land or land held in trust by the United States for a federally recognized Indian tribe. The legislation shall be passed by a simple majority of members elected to and serving in each house.
Happy Valentines

Barnesville, OH

#35 Feb 10, 2009
We have a casino in Mt Pleasant, Detroit, Travers City and one opening up this summer in Battle Creek. We gamble all over in Mi!!
Judy Bolton

Lagrange, IN

#36 Feb 10, 2009
Happy Valentines wrote:
We have a casino in Mt Pleasant, Detroit, Travers City and one opening up this summer in Battle Creek. We gamble all over in Mi!!
As I said, Detroit has an exemption. The other casinos you list are Indian casinos. They're listed by tribe on this web site: http://500nations.com/Michigan_Casinos_Tribes...

The law you cite simply states that "Casino gaming is authorized to the extent that it is conducted in accordance with this act." It then goes on to say that the state will abide by the Indian gaming regulatory act. It also says that if the law is ever changed to allow states to regulate Indian casinos, the legislature will do so.
Happy Valentines

United States

#37 Feb 10, 2009
What other gambling is there that you say is illegal in Mi??
Happy Valentines

United States

#38 Feb 10, 2009
Do you live in Mi Judy Bolton??
Happy Valentines

United States

#39 Feb 10, 2009
Whats the difference if its illegal in Mi or not! They still build casinos. If there approved they build them!! If you live in Lagrange how are you going to be affected? I'd say the only ones to be affected would be the surrounding area in MI! I live 20 min from Sturgis I could care less. If it will bring jobs for people in the surrounding area I say go for it. Battle Creek casino needed 1,500 employees they got 15,000 apps.
Look around you, you have drugs no matter where you go!! You have bars no matter where you go. If that's how people want to use their hard earned money so be it. It's not taking money out of my pocket or yours! It isn't any different if you go play bingo or grab a lotto ticket out of your local gas station.

Since: Oct 08

Dearborn Heights, MI

#40 Feb 10, 2009
Judy Bolton wrote:
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You're making my point, in a roundabout way, by saying that the community level of morals matters. If that's the case, and a community decides that a casino is NOT within their level of morals, then a casino should not be built, even if it IS within the level of your own morals.
You seem to be unaware that casino gambling is illegal in most of Michigan.(I believe Detroit is the only exception.) That's why they have to use the Indian tribes. Federally recognized Native American tribes are considered sovereign political entities and free of state regulation. The tribes obtain land and then petition the state to have it declared tribal land, thus circumventing the prohibition on casino gambling and overriding the state's level of morality.
Understand your position .. however, based on current Federal law, for the Tribes, it is legal .. just don't take your wampum there ..:)

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