The War on Christmas, cont.

The War on Christmas, cont.

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Since: Aug 07

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#1 Dec 11, 2012
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/war-ch...
Every year around the holidays, the left sneers about the overabundance of “war on Christmas” stories in the media. The Scrapbook is tired of hearing about it as well, though that’s because we’re also weary of the left’s zeal in stamping out innocuous public displays of faith.

And so it was with resignation that we read that UC-Berkeley’s student government was trying to ban the appearance on campus of Salvation Army bell-ringers owing to the church’s stance on homosexuality. It’s true—the Salvation Army holds fast to traditional Christian beliefs that homosexual acts are sinful and marriage is between a man and a woman. We understand that many people disagree with this position, but the question is whether disagreement on this one issue is so important that it requires opposing the Salvation Army’s historic and admirable commitment to helping those in need. Last time we looked, we didn’t see thousands of members of the Human Rights Campaign standing out in the cold soliciting donations for the poor.

This narrow focus on the areas where Christianity runs afoul of modern liberalism elevates ideology over deeds and nearly always neglects to note where the church has been a force for good. In a historical sense, without Christianity it’s a good bet that women’s rights as we know them would be rare (which is why they still don’t flourish in vast swaths of the non-Christian world). The abolitionist movement owed its underpinnings to Christianity, as did the civil rights movement and much of the 20th-century political drive to establish a social safety net for the poor. Do liberals not approve of the church having publicly exercised moral leadership on these issues?
Apparently none of this matters. So long as many Christians still oppose policies that undermine the traditional family and refuse to sanction killing unborn children as a matter of “personal freedom,” some liberals will be deeply invested in portraying churches as the most oppressive institutions ever.

Still, if you are one of these -Scrooges offended by encountering the words “Merry Christmas!” on public property and cannot summon the largeness of heart to tolerate any organization that deviates from liberal orthodoxy on gay marriage, no matter how much good they may do elsewhere, The Scrapbook, in the spirit of the season, would nonetheless like to wish you and yours an enjoyable Winter Solstice and the good fortune never to find yourself in need of the sorts of social services provided by the Salvation Army.



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#2 Dec 11, 2012
Merry Christmas every one.

Since: Sep 09

Effort

#3 Dec 11, 2012
The number of idiots that will cut their noses off to spite their face continues increasing yearly.

“Not an Obumble Voter!”

Since: Dec 08

Bar Harbor, ME

#4 Dec 11, 2012
I find it funny how Christmas seems to bother those who don't believe. For the folks who believe in nothing, they sure are offended over some words and a brightly decorated tree.

Merry Christmas!
Willoughby

Bloomsburg, PA

#5 Dec 11, 2012
All you have to do is look around the area you live with Christmas decorations and lights everywhere. Times Square looks like Christmas, people are buying gifts for their loved ones and have the Christmas spirit (meaning: following the Christ in you) this War on Christmas is made up by Fox and other media you view. It's made up, it's not true. So knock off your whining! Follow your beliefs and traditions and don't worry about anyone else! You all tried this last year and the year before that! Sheesh!!
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
Happy Holidays if you are not of the Christian faith because not everyone needs to be, their choice, your choice!

“Not an Obumble Voter!”

Since: Dec 08

Bar Harbor, ME

#6 Dec 11, 2012
Willoughby wrote:
All you have to do is look around the area you live with Christmas decorations and lights everywhere. Times Square looks like Christmas, people are buying gifts for their loved ones and have the Christmas spirit (meaning: following the Christ in you) this War on Christmas is made up by Fox and other media you view. It's made up, it's not true. So knock off your whining! Follow your beliefs and traditions and don't worry about anyone else! You all tried this last year and the year before that! Sheesh!!
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
Happy Holidays if you are not of the Christian faith because not everyone needs to be, their choice, your choice!
Correct. Because a majority of Americans are Christians and celebrate Christmas.

This is about the minority (atheist liberals) who want to take Christ out of the season.

They tried this last year and failed. But they are trying again and us in the majority will not let it happen.

Merry Christmas!

Since: Sep 09

Effort

#7 Dec 11, 2012
It is happening all over with the 'get religious symbols off of public property' and not just on fox. It just amazes me that there are so many that have the time to go after such nits and waste money on filing lawsuits and ignore the bigger issues.
loose stool

Brooklyn, NY

#8 Dec 11, 2012
Willoughby wrote:
All you have to do is look around the area you live with Christmas decorations and lights everywhere. Times Square looks like Christmas, people are buying gifts for their loved ones and have the Christmas spirit (meaning: following the Christ in you) this War on Christmas is made up by Fox and other media you view. It's made up, it's not true. So knock off your whining! Follow your beliefs and traditions and don't worry about anyone else! You all tried this last year and the year before that! Sheesh!!
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
Happy Holidays if you are not of the Christian faith because not everyone needs to be, their choice, your choice!
I have to agree. The left knows when there is no traction left in a cause and abandons as necessary not to mention the large contingent of Black Democratic Christians who without a doubt don't take kindly to some ACLU smack down of the baby Jesus. Likely they see themselves vulnerable in their "no judgment here" embrace of Islam also.
Their only swipe at Christianity (white only of course) is on garbage like Glee and The New Normal. Like the Humane Society with their credit line informing that no animals were harmed in the making of this etc. etc. there is a line that some obscure LGBT/Gay this or that has been consulted and has given their blessing to the "edgy", controversial but important issue represented in this here TV show. Every other character is a buffoon harking back to some parody not seen on TV since, well never. More likely a minstrel show. Except for fat people, they're seen as polite, honest and satisfied with their position in life. Am I wrong? No!
lotta

Falls, PA

#9 Dec 11, 2012
AunieEm2 wrote:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/ articles/war-christmas-cont_66 5197.html
Every year around the holidays, the left sneers about the overabundance of “war on Christmas” stories in the media. The Scrapbook is tired of hearing about it as well, though that’s because we’re also weary of the left’s zeal in stamping out innocuous public displays of faith.
And so it was with resignation that we read that UC-Berkeley’s student government was trying to ban the appearance on campus of Salvation Army bell-ringers owing to the church’s stance on homosexuality.,..
Merry Christmas to you too, Em, and to the rest of your loved ones as well:) Hoping your holidays are pleasant and not too hectic. I mean that sincerely even after what I'm about to say.

This article bothers me on several levels. First for the UC-Berkely student government attempt to ban Red Kettles. I have always felt the Salvation Army among the most worthy of charities for both their commitment to helping others without prejudice and in the humility in which they carry out that mission. Straight or gay, anyone in need of food and shelter will find it there. Who in their right mind would censure this group?

That said, I think it's important to recognize two things here- that it was a student group, a democratic governing body, and not UCB state administrators that proposed the ban and secondly, that this article does not state that the ban actually passed and was implemented. Before getting my pants in a real bunch over this I'd at least want an answer to the latter. Do you know if this proposal was actually passed? Even if the answer to that is yes I'd point out again that this comes from a student run democratic government body. As such I would have to respect their right to govern themselves as they choose.

I'll still give two thumbs down to that student group and yet... I stood outside a Walmart the other day waiting for hubby and watched about a thousand assumed good Christians with loaded carts of Christmas merchandise exit past the red kettle without even a nod to the bell ringer. That also made me feel sad.

as for the rest of the article, I find all the seasonal ranting about a War on Christmas just annoying. All I'll add to that is Merry Christmas.

As for woman's rights owing to Christianity, hoo boy, that's a real stretch. But I suppose a case for it could be made either way.

Since: Aug 07

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#10 Dec 11, 2012
I would say those walking past the kettles are not feeling the spirit of Christmas but something other.
lotta

Falls, PA

#11 Dec 11, 2012
LOL The secret elves are leaving presents again, most of them evil elves apparently. To them I just want to say, Merry Christmas and Santa is watching:)

Since: Sep 09

Effort

#12 Dec 11, 2012
Well, they can get a bit overzealous, like putting the kettles at both the entrance and exit. I generally ignore the entrance and give at the exit.
lotta

Falls, PA

#13 Dec 11, 2012
AunieEm2 wrote:
I would say those walking past the kettles are not feeling the spirit of Christmas but something other.
I dunno Em. Looking a person in the eye and giving a nod or a smile costs nothing. I understand that not everyone can give and some may not want to donate for other reasons but to totally ignore someone manning a red kettle seems a little harsh. I mean seriously, an awful lot of Christmas shoppers just totally ignored the person manning the kettle. Maybe it's a cultural thing and my bias lies living in a rural community where it is customary to wave to other drivers when you pass them even if you don't know them.

Whatever the case, I don't think you can blame the lack of Christmas Spirit on any act of government. If one doesn't have it in one's heart, then it was most likely given away freely and willfully.

Since: Jan 11

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#14 Dec 11, 2012
Most likely a person's attitude toward the holiday is based on personal belief and/or their upbringing. I do not think you can lay this one on the govt.

Many people also see right through the commercialism of the holiday, me included. Others only see the commercialism aspect and forget to see the real meaning behind the holiday. Blame society for that.

Since: Jan 11

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#15 Dec 11, 2012
fistv wrote:
Well, they can get a bit overzealous, like putting the kettles at both the entrance and exit. I generally ignore the entrance and give at the exit.
I always wonder if that money actually makes it to the needy though.

“Not an Obumble Voter!”

Since: Dec 08

Bar Harbor, ME

#16 Dec 11, 2012
The Salvation Army's head (and top staff) all receive minimal salary. The United Way and Red Cross have highly paid CEOs and administrative staff.

Seems the 'faith-based' programs actually get the aid to the needy, while the government favorites skim quite a bit off the top for administrative expenses.

Could it be that the United Way and Red Cross both use government for their operational models?
loose stool

Brooklyn, NY

#17 Dec 11, 2012
slush wrote:
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I always wonder if that money actually makes it to the needy though.
No you don't. It's your excuse for not putting anything in the pot. You just relish and desire to project the image of a discerning and questioning individual. This is your modus operandi. Throw out a diversional "question" that flatters your alleged cognitive skills with no links or facts. How lazy are you?

Since: Dec 09

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#18 Dec 11, 2012
loose stool wrote:
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No you don't. It's your excuse for not putting anything in the pot. You just relish and desire to project the image of a discerning and questioning individual. This is your modus operandi. Throw out a diversional "question" that flatters your alleged cognitive skills with no links or facts. How lazy are you?
Not lazy at all. Hard working and self sufficient...sniff.
lotta

Falls, PA

#19 Dec 11, 2012
slush wrote:
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I always wonder if that money actually makes it to the needy though.
You could always research it just as you might do for your other charitable donations. The thing with the Sal is that it is broken down into regional groups and as a church, they are not required to disclose any information, but they have here and there. There's some info at charitywatch.org . Several reliable net sources I've seen show more than 80% of donations returned to programs. just A 60% return ratio is considered good by charitywatch. My own feelings about them are based on what I've seen and read about them, especially re programs run in the Pocs and in other communities near me now. They provide some very basic and essential services to the most down and out, the people many of us would just like to ignore.

And what Jeff said is also right. The only thing I'd give to the Red Cross is blood. The United Way can take a hike.

Since: Dec 09

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#20 Dec 11, 2012
I don't even give blood to RC anymore, Miller Keystone keeps it local-ish.

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