The Muslim World Hates the U.S. More ...

The Muslim World Hates the U.S. More Than Ever

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cabin

East Stroudsburg, PA

#1 Apr 24, 2013
http://news.yahoo.com/muslim-world-hates-u-mo...

'If there was one thing the left was certain about in 2008 it was this: George W. Bush had catastrophically undermined America's world reputation with his unprovoked aggression and use of torture. The advent of Obama would reverse the damage. As Andrew Sullivan wrote in 2007, among best assets Obama brought to the "rebranding" of America was "his face." The election of Obama and his friendly approach to the Muslim world would make the United States safer as well as more just.

No one believed this tale more fervently than Obama himself. His first official act was to direct the closing of Guantanamo Bay within one year and the elimination of harsh interrogation techniques. The "message we are sending around the world," he intoned, "is that the United States intends to prosecute the ongoing struggle ... in a manner that is consistent with our values and our ideals." In Cairo a few months later, he declared, "a new beginning" of relations between America and the Muslim world.

Obama participated in erecting a Bush straw man a Bush who disdained and caricatured Muslims in general and committed war crimes in the name of national security. In fact, Bush had gone to great pains, within hours of the 9/11 attacks, to appear with imams and to stress that Islam was a "religion of peace."

Because Iraq had been Bush's war, as Obama saw it, he squandered the hard-won victory by failing to obtain an agreement that would have kept a stabilizing American force on the ground, electing instead to withdraw completely. And because Afghanistan was the war that Bush allegedly neglected, Obama sent 33,000 more troops (fewer than the generals requested) a surge that, unlike Bush's in Iraq failed, but not before causing 70 percent of the American deaths in that conflict.

Most of all, the Obama administration fled from the concept of a struggle against Islamic terrorism as if fighting jihadis (the small subset of Muslims who've declared war on us) were equivalent to warring against all Muslims. Orwellian language flowed. The war on terror became "overseas contingency operations." When Major Nidal Hassan gunned down his fellow soldiers shouting "Allahu Akbar!" the president warned against jumping to conclusions (a caution he failed to show himself in the Trayvon Martin and Henry Louis Gates cases). His administration later dubbed Hassan's attack "workplace violence" rather than jihadism or terrorism.'
cabin

East Stroudsburg, PA

#2 Apr 24, 2013
'What has this excruciating torture of the language and elaborate "rebranding" achieved? The U.S. is not safer. Terror attacks have been attempted at the same rate as during the Bush years (and have been thwarted slightly less successfully). As for U.S. standing in the Muslim world, the Guardian reports that a 2011 poll found favorability ratings for the U.S. have plummeted. "In most countries they are lower than at the end of the Bush administration, and lower than Iran's favorable ratings." A 2012 Pew poll of six predominantly Muslim nations Turkey, Lebanon, Tunisia, Egypt, Jordan and Pakistan found U.S. approval ratings below those during the Bush Administration and well under the popularity of China.

It's one thing to create a bogeyman for political purposes. Obama did it to Bush in 2008 (for use against McCain), and he did it to Romney in 2012. It's quite another to believe your own propaganda and make policy in response. Bush was no anti-Muslim bigot. If he erred, it was in believing too credulously in the readiness for western-style democracy in the Arab world.

As for Obama, his doubletalk about the nature of our enemies jihadis has achieved neither greater safety for Americans nor improved popularity in the Muslim world. He's 0 for 2.'
DemsRUs

Plymouth, PA

#3 Apr 24, 2013
George Bush is a war criminal who should be tried before the World Court, NOT hosted library galas at SMU.

Since: Sep 09

Effort

#4 Apr 24, 2013
DemsRUs wrote:
George Bush is a war criminal who should be tried before the World Court, NOT hosted library galas at SMU.
So, what are your views on an administration that carries on in his footsteps ? Not once and winding it down but twice and revving it up.
Larry

Nelson, NH

#5 Apr 24, 2013
DemsRUs wrote:
George Bush is a war criminal who should be tried before the World Court, NOT hosted library galas at SMU.
The real war criminal was Lyndon Baines Johnson. He started a hot war that eventually took 58,000 American lives on a total lie. The "Gulf of Tonkin incident" never happened.
cabin

East Stroudsburg, PA

#6 Apr 25, 2013
DemsRUs wrote:
George Bush is a war criminal who should be tried before the World Court, NOT hosted library galas at SMU.
I agree. Since Obama has gone far beyond Bush'e criminal acts with his targeted murders and supporting civil unrest in the arab world he shown be tried before the same court NOW!! Not being in control of one of the worlds largest militaries!

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#7 Apr 25, 2013
DemsRUs wrote:
George Bush is a war criminal who should be tried before the World Court, NOT hosted library galas at SMU.
Not the topic under discusson. But how many jhadis reached their target under Bush after 911 ? 0. under Obama 5.

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