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“Not an Obumble Voter!”

Since: Dec 08

Bar Harbor, ME

#2 Jan 28, 2013
Liberals are soulless, morally corrupt cretins.

Items like this prove that, as do the flailing posts from the left we get to endure on these forums.

When they have time.

:-)
Larry

Montpelier, VT

#3 Jan 28, 2013
Remember, Ostupid said our Constitution is "flawed".

I always hear the idiots who say the document must be "thrown out". But they never say what it should be replaced with.

Just more Libs flapping their gums with nothing noteworthy coming out.
Larry

Montpelier, VT

#4 Jan 28, 2013
Jeff Woehrle wrote:
Liberals are soulless, morally corrupt cretins.
Items like this prove that, as do the flailing posts from the left we get to endure on these forums.
When they have time.
:-)
Actually, Jeff the Libs here aren't that bad at all. Really.

Since I live in the Albany, NY news area, I went onto the Albany Topix. There are genuine nutjobs over there! They make Lefty look like a Rhodes Scholar. There's one who gets real agitated and actually proclaims all our rights come from the Government, and they have the right to take them away.

You know these types of Libs. They resort to name calling and using profanity in the process. Typical Liberal bully tactics.
Cabin

East Stroudsburg, PA

#5 Jan 28, 2013
loose stool wrote:
This clown was on CBS this morning and obviously a new gantlet has been thrown down so to speak.
He wrote this for you to catch up:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/31/opinion/let...
His premise is that why should we be any more obligated to obey a bunch of dead white men anymore then the UN or some world government. Time to jettison the Constitution.
What's between the lines is not the intention to protect individual rights but to do what's "Right".
If only God existed, He would know the Democrats have only my best interests in their heart.
Oh wait...
Do Democrats have a heart?
Look on the bright side. The Constitution is the contract drawn up between the States creating the federal government. If we got rid of the Constitution as liberals want we also get rid of the Federal government.

Now is THAT a problem or a solution??

Democrats have hearts, Just no brains it seems.
Larry

Montpelier, VT

#6 Jan 28, 2013
Cabin wrote:
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Look on the bright side. The Constitution is the contract drawn up between the States creating the federal government. If we got rid of the Constitution as liberals want we also get rid of the Federal government.
Now is THAT a problem or a solution??
Democrats have hearts, Just no brains it seems.
I'm not in favor of getting rid of the Federal Government, just scaling it back.
LeftWingLiberal

Pittston, PA

#7 Jan 30, 2013
What country/state would knowingly pollute and destroy its own groundwater to create jobs that enrich the natural gas industry?“When the well runs dry then we’ll know the worth of water.”– Ben Franklin
What country endorses the promotion of pills, alcohol, and tobacco -- and then decries the high cost of healthcare?
What country allows the trucking industry to ruin our roads without paying for it?
What country allows insurance companies to steal money from patients, doctors and hospitals while performing a service with no value?
What country lives on a diet of junk food, sugar drinks, and snack food, and then wonders why obesity and diabetes is exploding?
What country wages unfounded wars around the globe, and as the self-appointed policeman to the world, is also the only one paying for it?
America. It’s all in the name of freedom, right?
loose stool

Brooklyn, NY

#9 Jan 30, 2013
LeftWingLiberal wrote:
What country/state would knowingly pollute and destroy its own groundwater to create jobs that enrich the natural gas industry?“When the well runs dry then we’ll know the worth of water.”– Ben Franklin
What country endorses the promotion of pills, alcohol, and tobacco -- and then decries the high cost of healthcare?
What country allows the trucking industry to ruin our roads without paying for it?
What country allows insurance companies to steal money from patients, doctors and hospitals while performing a service with no value?
What country lives on a diet of junk food, sugar drinks, and snack food, and then wonders why obesity and diabetes is exploding?
What country wages unfounded wars around the globe, and as the self-appointed policeman to the world, is also the only one paying for it?
America. It’s all in the name of freedom, right?
flattery will get everywhere
Larry

Montpelier, VT

#10 Jan 31, 2013
LeftWingLiberal wrote:
What country/state would knowingly pollute and destroy its own groundwater to create jobs that enrich the natural gas industry?“When the well runs dry then we’ll know the worth of water.”– Ben Franklin
What country endorses the promotion of pills, alcohol, and tobacco -- and then decries the high cost of healthcare?
What country allows the trucking industry to ruin our roads without paying for it?
What country allows insurance companies to steal money from patients, doctors and hospitals while performing a service with no value?
What country lives on a diet of junk food, sugar drinks, and snack food, and then wonders why obesity and diabetes is exploding?
What country wages unfounded wars around the globe, and as the self-appointed policeman to the world, is also the only one paying for it?
America. It’s all in the name of freedom, right?
OK Lefty, you have posted a number of faults with this country. Now I want you to go point by point with your solutions. Or is that too hard? You like to pi$$ and moan, but never give solutions.

But I do have a few questions about your logic.

There was ONE case of gas in water, but no problems with the over 100,000 other fracking wells. So it all should be banned?

The country doesn't "endorse" the pills, but cannot stop it. That pesky Constitution again.

The trucking industry doesn't pay for the roads? Have you seen the price of diesel as compared to gasoline? The difference is all taxes. And your Congressman is supposed to fix the roads with that money. But instead they spend it in pork. So don't blame the trucks. Blame Congress.

"Allow" insurance companies" You do have the right not to have insurance, so if I want it, that's not really no concern of yours. You don't like insurance, don't have any. And if you're required to have it, that's your Congressman's fault, not the insurance company's.

You are against the war in Afghanistan? Ostupid's war? Then tell him to stop it.

I happen to like freedom. I'm losing more of it every day, but I like it.

Since: Dec 09

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#11 Jan 31, 2013
LeftWingLiberal wrote:
What country/state would knowingly pollute and destroy its own groundwater to create jobs that enrich the natural gas industry?“When the well runs dry then we’ll know the worth of water.”– Ben Franklin
What country endorses the promotion of pills, alcohol, and tobacco -- and then decries the high cost of healthcare?
What country allows the trucking industry to ruin our roads without paying for it?
What country allows insurance companies to steal money from patients, doctors and hospitals while performing a service with no value?
What country lives on a diet of junk food, sugar drinks, and snack food, and then wonders why obesity and diabetes is exploding?
What country wages unfounded wars around the globe, and as the self-appointed policeman to the world, is also the only one paying for it?
America. It’s all in the name of freedom, right?
One of the best freedoms of our great country is your right to bash it. Another is your right to leave it if you so choose.
lotta

Girardville, PA

#12 Jan 31, 2013
LeftWingLiberal wrote:
What country/state would knowingly pollute and destroy its own groundwater to create jobs that enrich the natural gas industry?
OK boys, you're both wrong!

Lightweight- once again you're talking out your ass. Off the top of your head, name one instance where ground water was destroyed by fracking in PA if that's the state to which you're referring. I guarantee you won't come up with one in PA. There is only one case in all of the US- in WY where aquifers are extremely deep lying and the geology is nothing like it is here.

Dimmock doesn't count since that was just a case of gas migration. Gas is not a pollutant per se. It occurs naturally in all shale gas areas and is easy to mitigate through proper water well venting. Let the gas escape and the "pollutant" is gone. That's nothing more than simple science taking the properties of a gas into account.
Larry wrote:
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OK Lefty,.....But I do have a few questions about your logic.
There was ONE case of gas in water, but no problems with the over 100,000 other fracking wells. So it all should be banned?
Larry- there have been MANY, MANY more than just ONE case of gas in water. You might want to check your facts. And that said, the hazard of gas is one of explosion, not toxicity.

As for what problems may exist from fracking, there is no regulation that requires water to be tested pre drilling so in most cases no comparison can be made.

Do I think fracking should be banned? No, but living in gas country where I have seen both sides of the coin, whenever I hear talk of gutting the EPA or DEP I just cringe. I believe gas can be extracted responsibly, but I have little faith the industry will do that on it's own without regulation.
Larry

Montpelier, VT

#13 Jan 31, 2013
lotta wrote:
<quoted text>
OK boys, you're both wrong!
Lightweight- once again you're talking out your ass. Off the top of your head, name one instance where ground water was destroyed by fracking in PA if that's the state to which you're referring. I guarantee you won't come up with one in PA. There is only one case in all of the US- in WY where aquifers are extremely deep lying and the geology is nothing like it is here.
Dimmock doesn't count since that was just a case of gas migration. Gas is not a pollutant per se. It occurs naturally in all shale gas areas and is easy to mitigate through proper water well venting. Let the gas escape and the "pollutant" is gone. That's nothing more than simple science taking the properties of a gas into account.
<quoted text>
Larry- there have been MANY, MANY more than just ONE case of gas in water. You might want to check your facts. And that said, the hazard of gas is one of explosion, not toxicity.
As for what problems may exist from fracking, there is no regulation that requires water to be tested pre drilling so in most cases no comparison can be made.
Do I think fracking should be banned? No, but living in gas country where I have seen both sides of the coin, whenever I hear talk of gutting the EPA or DEP I just cringe. I believe gas can be extracted responsibly, but I have little faith the industry will do that on it's own without regulation.
Lotta, I stand corrected.

Should the Gas industry be regulated? Of course. I feel they should put up a bond as insurance against poor drilling practices so any adjacent landowners aren't harmed.

They need to be regulated, but not strangled by those very regulations either.

Also there's a lot of controversy about the chemicals used in the fracking process. There's a new product that just came out that's safe. http://www.halliburton.com/ps/default.aspx...
lotta

Girardville, PA

#14 Jan 31, 2013
Larry wrote:
<quoted text>
Lotta, I stand corrected.
Should the Gas industry be regulated? Of course. I feel they should put up a bond as insurance against poor drilling practices so any adjacent landowners aren't harmed.
They need to be regulated, but not strangled by those very regulations either.
Also there's a lot of controversy about the chemicals used in the fracking process. There's a new product that just came out that's safe. http://www.halliburton.com/ps/default.aspx...
Thanks for the link Larry. It's nice to see the industry is responding to environmental concerns even if companies like Halliburton of the infamous Halliburton loophole had to be dragged kicking and screaming. I thank government oversight for that, including stricter regs on setbacks and casing standards. In PA we can credit our governor for a number of improved safety measures even though he has strong ties to the gas industry. I could not vote for him because of those ties, but in at least this case he ended up surprising me. As usual, nothing is ever all good or all bad:)
Larry

Montpelier, VT

#15 Jan 31, 2013
I don't think they were 'kicking and screaming" I think they saw a chance to make a profit with a new product. Nothing wrong with that. They saw a need and filled it.

That's what Halliburton does. They make products for the drilling industry. They made drill bits for decades and the left called them an oil company when all they did was supply products and logistics.
LeftWingLiberal

Pittston, PA

#16 Jan 31, 2013
The only problem with our government is that the people we elect to represent us, and given money hand-over-foot by special interests, corporations. In any other form it's called bribery -- a felony.

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#17 Jan 31, 2013
LeftWingLiberal wrote:
The only problem with our government is that the people we elect to represent us, and given money hand-over-foot by special interests, corporations. In any other form it's called bribery -- a felony.
Yup.

http://www.theinternational.org/articles/326-...
Larry

Montpelier, VT

#18 Feb 1, 2013
LeftWingLiberal wrote:
The only problem with our government is that the people we elect to represent us, and given money hand-over-foot by special interests, corporations. In any other form it's called bribery -- a felony.
You voted for them.
lotta

Girardville, PA

#19 Feb 1, 2013
hennypennyhag wrote:
henny- that was an interesting news source. It's reporting seems wide ranging and fairly balanced. It kind of reminds me of the CS Monitor.

I always like to try to understand the bias of reporting but I'm not having much luck finding out more about theinternational.org . Do you know anything about them like where they're out of and who funds them?

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#20 Feb 1, 2013
lotta wrote:
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henny- that was an interesting news source. It's reporting seems wide ranging and fairly balanced. It kind of reminds me of the CS Monitor.
I always like to try to understand the bias of reporting but I'm not having much luck finding out more about theinternational.org . Do you know anything about them like where they're out of and who funds them?
Here's a little about ProPublica, the source of that particular link. Seems to be a good news source as well.

http://www.propublica.org/about/
lotta

Girardville, PA

#21 Feb 1, 2013
Thanks henny! Much appreciated :)

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#22 Feb 1, 2013
lotta wrote:
Thanks henny! Much appreciated :)
Still looking for info on The International. Strange. Wonder if it's Murdock?:))

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