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Collective-bargaining bill predicted to win easy passage in House | The Columbus Dispatch

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Firefighters march east across High Street to the Statehouse to protest Senate Bill 5. Its provisions include eliminating binding arbitration in negotiating firefighters' union contracts.

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wake up

New Albany, OH

#65 Mar 9, 2011
bobdole wrote:
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we're broke.
this country generally and ohio specifically...
like any self respecting gentleman, i'd prefer to drive a ferrari to my office everyday..
...but you know what?
i can not afford it.
most of us have learned to live within our means.
we all want the best and brightest and most credentialed teachers for our kids...
i'd like only the top 10 students from MIT, stanford and cal poly teaching our kids.
but guess what...we cant afford it.
i know it's difficult to accept...but WE the taxpayers...are taxed enough already.
the money well is dry.
the time has come for us (ohioans) to start living within our means.
sorry
were broke because of the Bush era tax breaks for the rich, that were enactied prior to both wars the US got in. Never in the history of this country during times of war did politicans offer tax breaks, which Bush did...this is why we are broke! The Bush tax extension under the phrase of job creation is a JOKE. The US saw the lowest amount of job creation since these tax breaks were extended to the rich...people need to wake up and see the big picture here, it's not the middle class breaking this country, private of public sector workers, just trying to get by day to day...
Art Schichter

Nashport, OH

#66 Mar 9, 2011
bobdole wrote:
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government is bloated....and needs trimmed.
no one here is arguing that we don't need government....
you've spent all of our money..
no more.
sorry.
Bob you can sure type up a storm,pretty good for someone with only one working hand.
Fart Spinchter

Dublin, OH

#67 Mar 9, 2011
Art Schichter wrote:
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Bob you can sure type up a storm,pretty good for someone with only one working hand.
It's got to stop people! This is pure insanity!
bobdole

Royal Oak, MI

#68 Mar 9, 2011
wake up wrote:
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were broke because of the Bush era tax breaks for the rich, that were enactied prior to both wars the US got in. Never in the history of this country during times of war did politicans offer tax breaks, which Bush did...this is why we are broke! The Bush tax extension under the phrase of job creation is a JOKE. The US saw the lowest amount of job creation since these tax breaks were extended to the rich...people need to wake up and see the big picture here, it's not the middle class breaking this country, private of public sector workers, just trying to get by day to day...
we're still broke, buddy..

i actually agree with you union types on this one...

bush was an embarrassment to conservatives..
..if i had my way we'd end these never ending wars...terminate all entangling alliances(including the UN)....and abolish the IRS.
i'd replace the entire current system(income, payroll, & estate taxes) with ideally a tariff based system(supplemented by excise and/or a flat tax on income)

tariffs (if widely administered) would be a boon to nurturing this fragile economy.
Tony

Chillicothe, OH

#69 Mar 9, 2011
FED UP wrote:
To all the politicians who support this terrible legislation:
1. Can you feed your families on $21.50 an hour
If it's full time, that's over 44k a year. That's half again as much as what I'm making! I manage to feed my family and even the occasional neighbor.
2. Do you think it's fair that someone else decides YOUR working conditions?
Yes, as long as they're not breaking the law and as long as I am not forced to work there.
3. Do you have to decide whether to eat or pay a bill?
No, but I know a lot of people who do. I also know people who cut their pills in half so they can pay their bills and eat because they've lost their health insurance.
4. Do you think it's right that after dedicating your life to State service that seniority should mean nothing?
It should not trump job performance, which is what the taxpayers are paying for.

Also your contract does not guarantee you a lifetime job.
5. Do you think it's fair to expect Public Servants to solely shoulder the burden that politicians created?
Have you been under a rock for the last three years? Over 600,000 jobs were lost. Thousands more were cut (31 months ago I got a 40% pay cut! But MY health insurance didn't drop in cost (in fact it jumped over 200 a month, to $1105, which I pay 100% of).
That leaves fewer, and poorer people to continue to pay for your wages and benefits.

Our gas and groceries and utilities are going up, same as yours, so you're not "solely" doing anything. Most of the people in the state are hurting far more than you are.
6. Do you think it's right to compare public to private workers, when in some cases, private workers get profit sharing, bonuses and State workers get nothing; yet you make it sound like State workers are privileged?
Yeah, it's fair. It's also fair to mention that a pay range 33 employee (mid-range computer tech or designer) starting today will likely make over 3 million dollars in the next 35 years, retire, and in the 25 years after that make over another 3 million.
7. Do you think it's fair that people who chose to be public workers are now the "enemy"?
You're not the enemy. Your the soon-to-be co-sufferers.
8. Do you think it's right that none of you will sit down with Unions and let them offer suggestions to you on how to fix Ohio?
All the representatives have email. Send your suggestions that way. I have.

Bottom line, without significant private business investment in the state, things are just going to get worse. Everything that can be done to try to attract that investment is on the table.
9. Is this the thanks that Union workers in Ohio get for hard work and sacrifice?
Uh... no, this is not about ALL unions. It's about PUBLIC EMPLOYEE unions and the unethical right they have to bargain AGAINST the best interest of the citizens of the state without THEIR input!
Tony

Chillicothe, OH

#70 Mar 9, 2011
confused wrote:
"You get into some of the urban areas, and people really don't understand budgets."Batchelder, R-Medina,
I find that really offensive!!!!!!people do understand!!!!!!!
Part of what's wrong with politics.... they think they're smarter than everybody else. They need to be taught just who is working for whom.
Tony

Chillicothe, OH

#71 Mar 9, 2011
State Employee wrote:
According to the Buckeye Institute, there are over 1800 state employees who make over $100k. Unfortunately I am not one of them. I would like to know if the 100k folks will have their salaries reduced too?
Either their salaries will be, or their numbers will be.

That's EXACTLY the choice my co-workers and I were given over two and a half years ago... and we chose the former. Everybody (even the boss) took a 40% cut in hours (and thus wages) so that nobody would lose their job. Some of us got part time jobs for our off days, I didn't because I'm doing OK for now.
Southern Ohio

Columbus, OH

#72 Mar 10, 2011
Congress Works For Us wrote:
Mike Perkins of Pataskala, a West Licking firefighter, said his contract expires this fall, so he and his colleagues would be among the first affected by the bill. He said he is worried about how he'll feed his family.
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Seriously? Come on people, wake up. People on food stamps and in line at the local food banks and food pantries worry about how they'll feed their families.
There's not a firefighter or law enforcement officer in the state who needs to be worried about how they'll feed their families.
Unless of course they have 2 SUVs in the driveway with $1000/mo in payments. Or they're off to Disney World twice a year with their kids.
Get a grip people.
What do you have to say today "Congress Works"? Just how many of those LE Officers out there are not worrying about feeding their families today. The King is only selling 5 prisons. Wonder if your job might not be next. You might want to stick a "For Sale" sign out on your SUV.
Times a wasting

Dublin, OH

#73 Mar 10, 2011
You think you're pretty smart don't you? No, I can tell that you are pretty full of yourself. Don't waste that narcissistic attitude. You need to quit your job and get into politics!
Tony wrote:
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If it's full time, that's over 44k a year. That's half again as much as what I'm making! I manage to feed my family and even the occasional neighbor.
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Yes, as long as they're not breaking the law and as long as I am not forced to work there.
<quoted text>
No, but I know a lot of people who do. I also know people who cut their pills in half so they can pay their bills and eat because they've lost their health insurance.
<quoted text>
It should not trump job performance, which is what the taxpayers are paying for.
Also your contract does not guarantee you a lifetime job.
<quoted text>
Have you been under a rock for the last three years? Over 600,000 jobs were lost. Thousands more were cut (31 months ago I got a 40% pay cut! But MY health insurance didn't drop in cost (in fact it jumped over 200 a month, to $1105, which I pay 100% of).
That leaves fewer, and poorer people to continue to pay for your wages and benefits.
Our gas and groceries and utilities are going up, same as yours, so you're not "solely" doing anything. Most of the people in the state are hurting far more than you are.
<quoted text>
Yeah, it's fair. It's also fair to mention that a pay range 33 employee (mid-range computer tech or designer) starting today will likely make over 3 million dollars in the next 35 years, retire, and in the 25 years after that make over another 3 million.
<quoted text>
You're not the enemy. Your the soon-to-be co-sufferers.
<quoted text>
All the representatives have email. Send your suggestions that way. I have.
Bottom line, without significant private business investment in the state, things are just going to get worse. Everything that can be done to try to attract that investment is on the table.
<quoted text>
Uh... no, this is not about ALL unions. It's about PUBLIC EMPLOYEE unions and the unethical right they have to bargain AGAINST the best interest of the citizens of the state without THEIR input!
Tony

Chillicothe, OH

#74 Mar 10, 2011
Times a wasting wrote:
You think you're pretty smart don't you? No, I can tell that you are pretty full of yourself. Don't waste that narcissistic attitude. You need to quit your job and get into politics!
<quoted text>
Shoot the messenger...
Tony

Chillicothe, OH

#75 Mar 10, 2011
Here's the union mentality at work.

http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/117732923.h...

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