Non- Profit CO-OP makes over a million a year

[WTH]

http://www.littlefallstimes.com/topstories/x8...

Ya, they where struggling to get by, I could see how a few thousand would of put them out of business.

[Indy]

LoL - you guys got duped.

[Resident]

They are claiming assets of only 1.8 million on their tax exempt forms. That includes buildings, equipment and receipts. If the co-op were included that number should be much higher.

[nutty]

Indy wrote:

LoL - you guys got duped.

And when the churches are next, I will love to see you right wing nut jobs reverse course.

[A closer look]

I heard it is closer to 1.5 million the non-profit makes. I wonder how much Kelly's , smokers choice, The canal side, etc make yearly in little falls. Every business in Little Falls pays taxes, rent, and payroll taxes. The Y pays no rent for the CO-op, no taxes, and still say they struggle to get by. Who is managing the money? Maybe , and I say maybe there is some mismanagement of Y assetts. I see why Tony was so desperate to shut it down and mislead the city.

[John is Dead]

A City IS the citizens. For once, the desires of the Citizens were carried out, mostly, because, for once, the citizens turned out.

[Joy Fan]

WTH wrote:

http://www.littlefallstimes.co m/topstories/x898135917/Little -Falls-assessor-speaks-out-law suit
Ya, they where struggling to get by, I could see how a few thousand would of put them out of business.

Yes. We got duped.
If the MAYOR had said all of this FIRST, he could have sold the idea to the Counsel, as well as the community, and avoided all this hate and discontent.

Way to go Bob...
Get some communication skills. Or, give Joy the keys and go home.

So where did the money go? Maybe the Courts SHOULD take a look.

[where is the money]

Definitely something fishy going on down at the YMCA's cooperative. The coop generates over $1,000,000 in revenue per year yet the YMCA only claimed $307,975 in revenue for 2011 on their IRS form 990?

Childcare, Education & Youth - Headstart and Universal Pre-K Headstart revenue $25,639

Group health, wellness for youth, families & seniors revenue $189,972

Community housing & services, emergency and supportive housing and food pantry revenue $92,364.

Where's the revenue for the coop YMCA, did ya kinda forget to put that on the tax form??

[Grandma]

Shiesters!
Shoestring my asz.

[Question now]

Now that the people turned out for the Y, what happens next? Will they maintain the same solidarity when Peters and his attax assessor come after them as individuals, as they surely will now?

[RightJoy]

John is Dead wrote:

A City IS the citizens. For once, the desires of the Citizens were carried out, mostly, because, for once, the citizens turned out.

No they were not.Only the ones that were mislead because of the YMCA's (national) reputation.If this was played out in full there would be a different outome for sure.I see all this info coming out now ad wonder why it was not presented at a forum or informative session.And the city leaders either did not discuss this or were afraid to offend someone.Now they will continue to receive services at the cities expense because of the way you (we want a new regime)people shoved this whole thing down everyones throat.I must admit you did a great job of convincing local and county gov.

[IRS]

RightJoy wrote:

<quoted text>No they were not.Only the ones that were mislead because of the YMCA's (national) reputation.If this was played out in full there would be a different outome for sure.I see all this info coming out now ad wonder why it was not presented at a forum or informative session.And the city leaders either did not discuss this or were afraid to offend someone.Now they will continue to receive services at the cities expense because of the way you (we want a new regime)people shoved this whole thing down everyones throat.I must admit you did a great job of convincing local and county gov.

I believe uncle sam was also mislead...we'll be loading up the van with boxloads of evidence!

[John Is Dead]

RightJoy wrote:

<quoted text>No they were not.Only the ones that were mislead because of the YMCA's (national) reputation.If this was played out in full there would be a different outome for sure.I see all this info coming out now ad wonder why it was not presented at a forum or informative session.And the city leaders either did not discuss this or were afraid to offend someone.Now they will continue to receive services at the cities expense because of the way you (we want a new regime)people shoved this whole thing down everyones throat.I must admit you did a great job of convincing local and county gov.

Well, if we are indeed a democracy, then it is OUR government. Its nmot a matter of convincing some structure outside of us. The government is, or at least should be, us. My take is that the last thing most people in Little Falls want is another "new regime." What they seem to want is open, representative government by the people, not a regime. For once in Little Falls, it actually was us, and the old guard is crying like a weedle babby.

[Not To Late]

Actually, the Mayor has not signed off yet, it is not to late for voices to be heard. I would encourage everyone to call the Mayor and tell him what you think of the tactics of the Y....

RightJoy wrote:

<quoted text>No they were not.Only the ones that were mislead because of the YMCA's (national) reputation.If this was played out in full there would be a different outome for sure.I see all this info coming out now ad wonder why it was not presented at a forum or informative session.And the city leaders either did not discuss this or were afraid to offend someone.Now they will continue to receive services at the cities expense because of the way you (we want a new regime)people shoved this whole thing down everyones throat.I must admit you did a great job of convincing local and county gov.

[John Is Dead]

Not To Late wrote:

Actually, the Mayor has not signed off yet, it is not to late for voices to be heard. I would encourage everyone to call the Mayor and tell him what you think of the tactics of the Y....<quoted text>

The people for once HAVE been heard. Unanimous vote of our elected representatives. No more money to pay your attorneys. But sure, if you want to keep fighting, I think the people are actually up for it. Go for it. Your timing and position couldn't be worse. This will end when your idiot Mayor is out, and your continuing efforts on this moot issue will only hasten the demise of his administration and the installation of open and representative government in our City.

[I agree]

You are right, the last thing we want is a "New Regime". We don't need special quarums created at MSF meetings deciding city business, we don't need black mailing council members, or YMCA Board members writing city resolutions, and no we don't even want the vote swapping to fulfill some personal vendetta. Yet, this is what we have with Mark, and Jeff, it is time for them to go before the city ends up with more lawsuits.

John Is Dead wrote:

<quoted text>
Well, if we are indeed a democracy, then it is OUR government. Its nmot a matter of convincing some structure outside of us. The government is, or at least should be, us. My take is that the last thing most people in Little Falls want is another "new regime." What they seem to want is open, representative government by the people, not a regime. For once in Little Falls, it actually was us, and the old guard is crying like a weedle babby.

[John Is Dead]

I agree wrote:

You are right, the last thing we want is a "New Regime". We don't need special quarums created at MSF meetings deciding city business, we don't need black mailing council members, or YMCA Board members writing city resolutions, and no we don't even want the vote swapping to fulfill some personal vendetta. Yet, this is what we have with Mark, and Jeff, it is time for them to go before the city ends up with more lawsuits. <quoted text>

I hear your underlying concerns even if I disagree wholeheartedly with the details of the your conclusion. However, it is the dyfunctionality of the current administration and its continuing and repeated refusal to listen to citizens and the repeated lawbreaking of the current administration that has forced this crisis. I look forward to an Open government where the concerns and interests of all citizens can be debated openly, and whereby the government of these citizens operates in accordance with both the will of citizens and the law itself.

[IRS]

nutty wrote:

<quoted text>
And when the churches are next, I will love to see you right wing nut jobs reverse course.

When one of the churches operates a grocery store I will certainly look into it...now back to the matter at hand. I will investigate why the Y has failed to report the revenue from the cooperative on the form 990.

[IRS]

John Is Dead wrote:

<quoted text>
The people for once HAVE been heard. Unanimous vote of our elected representatives. No more money to pay your attorneys. But sure, if you want to keep fighting, I think the people are actually up for it. Go for it. Your timing and position couldn't be worse. This will end when your idiot Mayor is out, and your continuing efforts on this moot issue will only hasten the demise of his administration and the installation of open and representative government in our City.

This is not about city politics, this is about chicanery, shenanigans and tomfoolery at the YMCA. I used to support them but no more...I'm embarassed by them now.

[Indy]

nutty wrote:

<quoted text>
And when the churches are next, I will love to see you right wing nut jobs reverse course.

and when/if religious organizations Own ligament business's and put them underneath their Tax Exempt 'umbrella' I would expect them to Pay Their Fair Share in taxes on those Business's as well.