Travis Smith arrested for rape AGAIN

Since: Oct 12

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#169 Nov 16, 2012
One of the opening segments on Channel 5 news out of Kansas City last night was about "pastor" Smith and his refusal to step down from the pulpit after repeated charges of child molestation and rape. He really doesn't care who he takes down with him does he? The one man they interviewed who was on Smith's side quite obviously has one large "man crush" on his pastor. My gaydar was in the red during that interview. Not that there's anything wrong with that, merely an astute observation.

Check out the link to the TV 5 story. http://www.kctv5.com/story/20113134/missouri-...
Believer

Overland Park, KS

#170 Nov 16, 2012
After viewing a KCTV5 news cast Thursday night, I searched and found this interesting forum. Travis Smith has obviously discovered a church that affords him the ideal platform for his agenda. This place allows him to portray himself as a man of God, a trusted leader and a confidant, while methodically grooming young women and girls to satisfy his perverted needs. How on God's Earth can the parents and grandparents in this congregation turn their children over to this man and defend their actions? WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!
Leo

Bunceton, MO

#171 Nov 18, 2012
To the members of Pastor Smith's Church... The biblical qualifications for pastor (1 Timothy 3 and Titus 1) are that a pastor must be ABOVE reproach — and even above SUSPISION. the Lord holds leaders in the church to a higher standard that, when violated, disqualifies them from continuing in their leadership role. Yes, God is gracious to forgive all sins — even grievous sins — and we should be forgiving as well if and when our leaders suffer moral failures ...but that does not exempt us as members from the obligation to remove a pastor who does not fit the Lord's requirements for a leader in his church. Doing what is right is not always what we WANT to do. But our Lord loves us and we should trust his word and follow without hesitataion even when we don't agree or understand. The Bible is clear on God's stand in this matter. Will you do what he commands?
forsure

Hatfield, AR

#172 Nov 21, 2012
The members of first baptist in stover will have alot to answer for on judgement day. I get that we should not judge others, but that does not mean we should turn a blind eye to what travis smith has done. He has ruined the reputation of the church and the people that go to that church are highly disregarding their duties as church leaders to do what God would want, and that is to protect the church not what horny man. Truth is these people are following a man, not God, and for that they will surely fail in their path.

Since: Oct 12

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#173 Nov 21, 2012
forsure wrote:
The members of first baptist in stover will have alot to answer for on judgement day. I get that we should not judge others, but that does not mean we should turn a blind eye to what travis smith has done. He has ruined the reputation of the church and the people that go to that church are highly disregarding their duties as church leaders to do what God would want, and that is to protect the church not what horny man. Truth is these people are following a man, not God, and for that they will surely fail in their path.
Very well said, "forsure". When a church starts disregarding biblical principals and edicts, then you are choosing NOT to follow God. If you are not following God, then who are you following? This is how cults form and churches are split. Please, Stover Baptist Church, go back to the bible and do what is right --- for the good of all Baptists and Christians.
Leo

Bunceton, MO

#174 Nov 23, 2012
If a church is not following God's commandmentes, is it a CHURCH or is it a CLUB?

Since: Nov 12

Holden, MO

#175 Nov 23, 2012
Leo wrote:
If a church is not following God's commandmentes, is it a CHURCH or is it a CLUB?
I believe more like a cult
Leo

Columbia, MO

#176 Nov 26, 2012
I think the people of Pastor Smith's church are good and are trying to do what it right. Unfortunately, they have someone who should be leading them in the way of the Lord, leading them away instead. They are truly trying to be a church and not a cult or a club. They just need to look to the Bible for direction instead of a man.
Bubba Leroy Artifus Jones

Jefferson City, MO

#177 Nov 26, 2012
Leo wrote:
I think the people of Pastor Smith's church are good and are trying to do what it right. Unfortunately, they have someone who should be leading them in the way of the Lord, leading them away instead. They are truly trying to be a church and not a cult or a club. They just need to look to the Bible for direction instead of a man.
You and others just like you just need to "Mind Your Own Business" and let the members of the Church mind theirs. I imagine if they want your advice they will ask you to beat your gums and tell them whats on yur mind. Pastor Smith is still innocent until proven guilty, and I personally want to be there when he is found innocent and watch all the jaws fall to the floor.
Leo

Bunceton, MO

#178 Nov 26, 2012
Bubba, do you DISAGREE that the church members should use the Bible as the foundation of their faith?
Leo

Bunceton, MO

#179 Nov 26, 2012
Would you also be surprised if you found out that I was a member of the Church?
Bubba Leroy Artifus Jones

Jefferson City, MO

#180 Nov 26, 2012
Leo wrote:
Would you also be surprised if you found out that I was a member of the Church?
I get surprised about nothing, Your solution is simple, if you do not agree with the direction that the Church is going, and you do not agree with the direction that the Preacher Man is leading the Church than join another Church. Evidently someone in the church is happy with the preacher, and it would probably be safe to assume that several someones are happy with the Preacher or he would be gone, and would have been gone a long time ago. I am not a member of the Church, however I am smart enough to know that if the majority of the congregation is not behind the preacher he would be gone. I would dare say that you are probably in the minority that doesn't agree with the direction that the church is going, and the rest of the congregation don't care what you have to say anyway. Find another Church where you can be happy, maybe you will find one of the Church Faiths where they allow Open Kweers to be preachers.
Leo

Columbia, MO

#181 Nov 27, 2012
Bubba: You didn't answer my question. Do you feel that the members of the church should use the Bible as a foundation of their faith? It's a simple question.
concerned

Lexington, KY

#182 Nov 27, 2012
Leo wrote:
Bubba: You didn't answer my question. Do you feel that the members of the church should use the Bible as a foundation of their faith? It's a simple question.
He won't answer because they don't no what the bible says they only know what Travis tells them. And whoever said "club" is right on target.
Bubba Leroy Artifus Jones

Jefferson City, MO

#183 Nov 27, 2012
Leo wrote:
Bubba: You didn't answer my question. Do you feel that the members of the church should use the Bible as a foundation of their faith? It's a simple question.
And you didn't indicate why you continue to be a member of a Church that you feel is not headed in the right direction. Once again if you are not satisfied with the direction of this particular Church than why not distance yourself and be ye separate. Why not find you another Church where you don't have the flustration about the current leadership. If you were to meet the precious Lord tomorrow and he asked you why you continued to be a member of this so call sinful Preacher Mans Church, what would be your answer. It is a simple solution find yourself another Church and quit beating your gums. No one is listening to you anyway and all you are doing is getting your blood pressure up. As far as the answer to your question it really doesn't matter what I think, i'm just a sinner not worthy of the kingdom of Heaven. As a matter of fact I would probably make your Preacher Man look like the Fairy God Mother.
THE TRUTH

Festus, MO

#184 Nov 28, 2012
You are right Bubba They should leave that church. Go and preach that sermon Sunday and tell them that. A good cult leader should demand submission from his flock. You are wrong about Leo though, people are listening. A lot of people just don't care enough to tell you to your face. They think God will take care of it for them, and he will. It is a shame they don't care enough to seek Gods will. Maybe you should listen to the M.B.C.,the Lamien association, and every other preacher I know and step down. If they would only tell you what they tell me you would not be able to stand in front of them. But I admit some I think, would die for you if you ask them to.

Since: Nov 12

Holden, MO

#185 Nov 28, 2012
If he starts having them drink the kool-aid, how far will their trust go then?
Some of these people with no type of close accountability have seemed to become power hungry and act more like a "used car saleman" than a Person spreading the gospel, and Bubba seems more like that used car salesman's pitch man.
In this country, in a court of law, a person is innocent until found guilty. However, Watching a rabid dog the evidence is quite clear. For the safety of others he needs to be incarcerated, along with those who gave him the opinion things like this is accetable behavior in society. If this is something he learned from his family, they too are responsible. Any Comments Tom/Bubba/Andy?
Leo

Florissant, MO

#186 Nov 28, 2012
I think it is better to fight for what is right than to run away. I may not be as loud and in your face as many of the Travis defenders. But, I feel that going to church in my community is important, and so... I fight. I fight to see that God's will (not mine or anyone elses) is the foundation of my community church's doctrine.
Bubba Leroy Artifus Jones

Jefferson City, MO

#187 Nov 28, 2012
THE TRUTH wrote:
You are right Bubba They should leave that church. Go and preach that sermon Sunday and tell them that. A good cult leader should demand submission from his flock. You are wrong about Leo though, people are listening. A lot of people just don't care enough to tell you to your face. They think God will take care of it for them, and he will. It is a shame they don't care enough to seek Gods will. Maybe you should listen to the M.B.C.,the Lamien association, and every other preacher I know and step down. If they would only tell you what they tell me you would not be able to stand in front of them. But I admit some I think, would die for you if you ask them to.
The way you talk if you think I am Preacher Man, you people are crazier than I thought, you need a mental health person instead of a preacher. LMAO at you goof balls.
THE TRUTH

Washington, MO

#188 Nov 28, 2012
Bubba Leroy Artifus Jones wrote:
<quoted text> The way you talk if you think I am Preacher Man, you people are crazier than I thought, you need a mental health person instead of a preacher. LMAO at you goof balls.
If you are not Travis. you are his puppet. The message got delivered all the same.

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