Blaming Israel for carnage

Blaming Israel for carnage

There are 121881 comments on the Fort Worth Star-Telegram story from Jul 22, 2006, titled Blaming Israel for carnage. In it, Fort Worth Star-Telegram reports that:

Most media outlets aren't providing news of Israel's barbaric air raids on Lebanon with fairness and integrity.

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#111788 Nov 30, 2013
courteous europhobe wrote:
<quoted text>apparently there are at least 3 of them,..
Are you a trinity ?? LMAO
courteous europhobe

Plymouth, NH

#111789 Nov 30, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you a trinity ?? LMAO
sure, I'm a father, a son and I like spirits. I don't judge with topix icons, ever.

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#111790 Nov 30, 2013
The UN without the consent of the majority of the people of Palestine did not have the right to decide to partition Palestine or assign any part of its territory to a minority of alien immigrants in order for them to establish a state of their own.

Despite that, by the narrowest of margins, and only after a rigged vote (rigged by Zionist pressure amounting to blackmail on the leaders and governments of some member states), the UN General Assembly did pass a resolution to partition Palestine and create two states, one Arab, one Jewish, with Jerusalem not part of either. But the General Assembly resolution was only a proposal – meaning that it could have no effect, would not become policy, unless approved by the Security Council.

The truth is that the General Assembly’s partition proposal never went to the Security Council for consideration. Why not? Because the US knew that, if approved, it could only be implemented by force; and President Truman was not prepared to use force to partition Palestine.

So the partition plan was vitiated (became invalid), and the question of what the hell to do about Palestine after the occupying British had been driven out it by Zionist terrorism was taken back to the General Assembly for more discussion. The option favoured and proposed by the US was temporary UN Trusteeship. It was while the General Assembly was debating what to do next that Israel unilaterally declared itself to be in existence - actually in defiance of the will of the organised international community as it then was, including the Truman administration.

The truth of the time was that Israel had no right to exist. It came into existence because Ben-Gurion had done everything necessary to guarantee that his Jewish forces would be more than sufficient in numbers and well enough armed to roll back and defeat any Arab military response to Israel’s unilateral declaration of independence, and that Zionist might would prevail over Palestinian right.

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#111791 Nov 30, 2013
courteous europhobe wrote:
<quoted text>sure, I'm a father, a son and I like spirits. I don't judge with topix icons, ever.
Sure you don't. LOL
courteous europhobe

Plymouth, NH

#111792 Nov 30, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>
You see nothing and trying to generalize is not winning you any brownie points. You forgot to mention the countries who abstained out of conscience. The only reason the Soviet Union acknowledged the state was so that they could have a base in the Middle East. It's all to do with control and power.
Abstention, is there a truer form of ballslessness??


Argentina

Chile

Colombia

El Salvador

Honduras

Mexico


Republic of China


Ethiopia


United Kingdom(special circusmstance eh?)


Yugoslavia
courteous europhobe

Plymouth, NH

#111793 Nov 30, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
The UN without the consent of the majority of the people of Palestine did not have the right to decide to partition Palestine or assign any part of its territory to a minority of alien immigrants in order for them to establish a state of their own.
Despite that, by the narrowest of margins, and only after a rigged vote (rigged by Zionist pressure amounting to blackmail on the leaders and governments of some member states), the UN General Assembly did pass a resolution to partition Palestine and create two states, one Arab, one Jewish, with Jerusalem not part of either. But the General Assembly resolution was only a proposal – meaning that it could have no effect, would not become policy, unless approved by the Security Council.
The truth is that the General Assembly’s partition proposal never went to the Security Council for consideration. Why not? Because the US knew that, if approved, it could only be implemented by force; and President Truman was not prepared to use force to partition Palestine.
So the partition plan was vitiated (became invalid), and the question of what the hell to do about Palestine after the occupying British had been driven out it by Zionist terrorism was taken back to the General Assembly for more discussion. The option favoured and proposed by the US was temporary UN Trusteeship. It was while the General Assembly was debating what to do next that Israel unilaterally declared itself to be in existence - actually in defiance of the will of the organised international community as it then was, including the Truman administration.
The truth of the time was that Israel had no right to exist. It came into existence because Ben-Gurion had done everything necessary to guarantee that his Jewish forces would be more than sufficient in numbers and well enough armed to roll back and defeat any Arab military response to Israel’s unilateral declaration of independence, and that Zionist might would prevail over Palestinian right.
You are currently in a minority.

The State of Israel, which was established by the Israeli Declaration of Independence on 14 May 1948.

160 of the 192 other UN member states (83%) currently recognise Israel.

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#111794 Nov 30, 2013
courteous europhobe wrote:
<quoted text>Abstention, is there a truer form of ballslessness??
Argentina
Chile
Colombia
El Salvador
Honduras
Mexico
Republic of China
Ethiopia
United Kingdom(special circusmstance eh?)
Yugoslavia
Abstention was preferable to going against ones conscience in the case of those who did abstain. The third world countries such as Liberia were threatened with withdrawal of trade worth millions of dollars in the coffee trade in an already poor country. I don't see China being a small player in the scheme of things. It showed it had a conscience. As far as the UK, abstaining the reason was because it was they had held the partition and they did not want to appear biased in any way

America was not going to get on the wrong side of Zionism when elections coming up

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#111795 Nov 30, 2013
courteous europhobe wrote:
<quoted text>You are currently in a minority.
The State of Israel, which was established by the Israeli Declaration of Independence on 14 May 1948.
160 of the 192 other UN member states (83%) currently recognise Israel.
Being part of the mob is not something to be proud of. I am dealing with truth which is something that you obviously do not understand or care to search for. The tide is slow to turn but turn it must. The native Palestinians were deprived of their land and homes which they had lived on for thousands of years by an aggressive group of people who had no claim to the land whatsoever. The majority of the Jews couldn't claim to have been born there because they weren't. The Jews who were living in the area were happy with how things were. The Jews ethnically cleansed over 383 Arab villages, killing, destroying and looting homes and then telling the world that no one lived there.

How can Israel be described as a democratic nation when it sees itself as a Jewish people firstly. It's objective being to serve Jews firstly and then it other citizens last. 800,000 Palestinians were forced from their homes or they were murdered in the cleansing of the villages.

The whole idea of the partition plan was a homeland for the Jews to live safely it was never part of the plan for it to become a state and this is written in the UN resolutions

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#111796 Nov 30, 2013
CONCERNING THE VOTE AT THE UN

The vote was only in the affirmative through heavy politiciking of the United States. The General Assembly Partition plan (29 Nov 1947) was initially to be voted on 26 August but the vote was postponed on two occasions until it was clear the necessary two-thirds majority (including abstentions) would be gained.

The decisive votes were obtained from Haiti, Liberia and Philippines. Each of these three countries were pushed e.g. Haiti and Philippines in terms of aid and Liberia in terms of contracts for rubber exports to Firestone Tyre company. The Philippines itself had spoken against partition but when the &#8232;vote came her delegates were told to vote in favour.(Smith 1947).

6. The UN Security Council rejected the General Assembly Partition plan, favouring instead UN trusteeship

The General Assembly then charged the Security Council with final deliberation on the partition plan. The United Nations Security Council in March 1948 rejected the General Assembly partition plan as it endangered international peace and security. So they recalled the General assembly to meet in April and May 1948. By this time the US had proposed placing Palestine under UN trusteeship. The Jewish Agency was outraged and decided that they would create a Jewish state whether or not they had the United Nations support. They did this on 14 May 1948.
Bobbalina of Sinai 55

Selden, NY

#111798 Dec 1, 2013
courteous europhobe wrote:
<quoted text>why arn't most people smart enuff 2 figure out this dastardly deed!!
Violence struck in and around Baghdad and mostly Sunni Arab parts of the country, including in Diyala, Nineveh, and Salaheddin provinces, as well as in the city of Kirkuk, Agence France-Presse reported.
The recent surge in violence has seen victims kidnapped from their homes, only for their corpses to be found later, raising fears of Iraq deadly sectarian violence from 2006 to 2008.
Early Friday, authorities discovered the bodies of 18 men, including two tribal chiefs, four policemen and an army major, dumped in farmland near the Sunni Arab town of Tarmiyah, just north of Baghdad, according to AFP.
All of them had been shot in the head and chest, police and a medical source said.
Their bodies were found hours later, the sources also said.
The killings come just days after authorities discovered the bodies of 19 people shot dead in various parts of Baghdad, including eight found blindfolded and six whose corpses were left in a canal.
Friday’s violence makes the nationwide death toll of last week to more than 200. More than 6,000 people have been killed this year, forcing Baghdad to appeal for international help in battling the rise of militants especially from al-Qaeda.
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Jelllo Liverpool....

The Iraq invasion was one of the masterful Zionist AIPAC corruptive immoral war that was based upon all lies and deception to the International Community....

These outrageous lies amounted to 952 for George W. Bush who was the Manchurian Candidate of Zionism AIPAC in 2000.....

It is a high treasonous crime to lie to American citizens and make us part and parcel to Crimes against Humanity.

Since the 1990s with Bush Senior bombarding Iraq along with his paid alliance sham, we Americans stood by in silence as ungraded uranium, phosphates and dimes were used on Iraqi citizens. I dont know about the world, but I feel dirty, raped and violated by zionism/communism ideolofy and supreme atrocities.
orion

Cape Town, South Africa

#111799 Dec 1, 2013
Bobbalina of Sinai 55

Selden, NY

#111803 Dec 1, 2013
orion wrote:
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TRhank you for these sites above.

This site below that you've posted says it all about israeli hell-jews' terrorism.

http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2013/11/29/isr...
Bobbalina of Sinai 55

Selden, NY

#111805 Dec 1, 2013
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*Thank you~
nutjobs here

Israel

#111806 Dec 1, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>
Zionism corrupted the UN in 1947 by successfully rigging the vote on partition. Israel played the role of victim at that time and still does to this day. It was a unilateral declaration of independence by Israel in 1947 and the Arabs never agreed to it.
The reality is that they were the aggressors in the lead up to the unilateral declaration of an independent state not the Arabs. It was Israel who ethnically cleansed 383 Arab villages between 1948-1973, whilst telling the world at the same time that the land was vacant and barren. They need to hang their heads in shame as does the West for allowing it to occur.
The majority of the Jews who came to Palestine had no claim on the land having been born elsewhere and not in Palestine and they couldn't even speak Hebrew for the most part
It must have been rigged for the UN to vote in support of Jews.
So after millions of Jews were systematically massacred Israel "played the role of victim"?

The Arabs already had the whole of the region apart from a tiny piece of land. and 80% of Palestine was taken off the Mandate and Jordan was created.

it was the Palestine Arabs who from the 1920's began to massacre the indigenous Jewish population. The only reason that Jewish militias were created was to defend themselves from this ethnic cleansing. So eventually after numerous intifadas the Jews fought back. It was the Arabs who tried to wipe out Israel and failed. It was the local Palestine Arab population which ethnically cleansed all Jews from Gaza, West Bank and most of Jerusalem. They refused to make peace, tried to annihilate Israel and suffered the consequences.

The land was mostly vacant and much of it still is over 60 years later.

FFS THE PALESTINE ARABS SPOKE 22 DIFFERENT LANGUAGES BY THE 1930'S. They must have been indigenous.
nutjobs here

Israel

#111807 Dec 1, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
The UN without the consent of the majority of the people of Palestine did not have the right to decide to partition Palestine or assign any part of its territory to a minority of alien immigrants in order for them to establish a state of their own.
Despite that, by the narrowest of margins, and only after a rigged vote (rigged by Zionist pressure amounting to blackmail on the leaders and governments of some member states), the UN General Assembly did pass a resolution to partition Palestine and create two states, one Arab, one Jewish, with Jerusalem not part of either. But the General Assembly resolution was only a proposal – meaning that it could have no effect, would not become policy, unless approved by the Security Council....
So the partition plan was vitiated (became invalid), and the question of what the hell to do about Palestine after the occupying British had been driven out it by Zionist terrorism was taken back to the General Assembly for more discussion. The option favoured and proposed by the US was temporary UN Trusteeship. It was while the General Assembly was debating what to do next that Israel unilaterally declared itself to be in existence - actually in defiance of the will of the organised international community as it then was, including the Truman administration.
The truth of the time was that Israel had no right to exist. It came into existence because Ben-Gurion had done everything necessary to guarantee that his Jewish forces would be more than sufficient in numbers and well enough armed to roll back and defeat any Arab military response to Israel’s unilateral declaration of independence, and that Zionist might would prevail over Palestinian right.
The UN had no legal right to partition W.Palestine (STOP SAYING PALESTINE AS THAT INCLUDES JORDAN, GOLAN, S.LEBANON AND W.PALESTINE) because the league of nations had already done that by creating the Mandate. Mandates are enshrined in International Law and article 80 of the UN Charter. They can't be changed without agreement.

Interesting how you make no issue of the fact that there are dozens of groups in the region but the Arabs got 99% of the land.

General Assembly resolutions are non-binding. Basically just opinion unless both sides agree to it. The UN had no legal right to make this choice and cut of part of W.Palestine which was meant for a Jewish state.

According to the Resolution the residents of Jerusalem would vote after 10 years on the cities outcome. Since 2/3 of the residents were Jewish at the time it would clearly have become part of the Jewish state either way.

100,000's of Arabs came to Palestine over the past 150 years are you saying they should have no rights on the land either???

What about those who own private land?

The Security Councils job is to follow the law and not create it. They have no right to take any land from the Mandate for Palestine which was meant to be part of Israel.

The world had no right to tell Israel what to do as legally it had a claim to the land.
nutjobs here

Israel

#111808 Dec 1, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
<quoted text>...The native Palestinians were deprived of their land and homes which they had lived on for thousands of years by an aggressive group of people who had no claim to the land whatsoever. The majority of the Jews couldn't claim to have been born there because they weren't. The Jews who were living in the area were happy with how things were. The Jews ethnically cleansed over 383 Arab villages, killing, destroying and looting homes and then telling the world that no one lived there.
How can Israel be described as a democratic nation when it sees itself as a Jewish people firstly. It's objective being to serve Jews firstly and then it other citizens last. 800,000 Palestinians were forced from their homes or they were murdered in the cleansing of the villages.
The whole idea of the partition plan was a homeland for the Jews to live safely it was never part of the plan for it to become a state and this is written in the UN resolutions
GIVE ANY EVIDENCE THAT THE PALESTINIANS LIVED ON THE LAND FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS. You are lying even the Palestinians don't make that claim. At the most Palestinians claim they arrived during the Arab invasion from the South. At the least Palestinians claim that a large% of them came from the surrounding countries.

So you ignore the fact that 100,000's of Palestinians are not indigenous.
You ignore the legal claim that Israel has to the land.

Interesting how you ignore the massacres against INDIGENOUS Jews by the local Arab population for the two decades preceding Israels creation.

MOST PALESTINE ARABS LEFT THEIR HOMES WITHOUT EVEN SEEING A JEW AND EVEN THE UN PUT THE REFUGEE FIGURES AT 350,000 AND NOT THE 800,000 THAT YOU CLAIM. Again no mention of the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Jerusalem, West Bank and Gaza after living there CONTINUOUSLY since Roman times.

Israel is a democracy because all citizens have the same rights.

WHERE IS IT WRITTEN IN UN RESOLUTIONS THAT IT WAS NEVER PART OF THE PLAN TO CREATE A STATE?

Mandates were clearly instituted to create states, Each one did create a state including Israel so not sure where you come up with this BS.
nutjobs here

Israel

#111809 Dec 1, 2013
Sheilaa wrote:
CONCERNING THE VOTE AT THE UN
The vote was only in the affirmative through heavy politiciking of the United States. The General Assembly Partition plan (29 Nov 1947) was initially to be voted on 26 August but the vote was postponed on two occasions until it was clear the necessary two-thirds majority (including abstentions) would be gained.
The decisive votes were obtained from Haiti, Liberia and Philippines. Each of these three countries were pushed e.g. Haiti and Philippines in terms of aid and Liberia in terms of contracts for rubber exports to Firestone Tyre company. The Philippines itself had spoken against partition but when the &#8232;vote came her delegates were told to vote in favour.(Smith 1947).
6. The UN Security Council rejected the General Assembly Partition plan, favouring instead UN trusteeship
The General Assembly then charged the Security Council with final deliberation on the partition plan. The United Nations Security Council in March 1948 rejected the General Assembly partition plan as it endangered international peace and security. So they recalled the General assembly to meet in April and May 1948. By this time the US had proposed placing Palestine under UN trusteeship. The Jewish Agency was outraged and decided that they would create a Jewish state whether or not they had the United Nations support. They did this on 14 May 1948.
FIRSTLY DO YOU HAVE SOURCES FOR ANYTHING YOU POST. YOU HAVE BEEN MAKING INSANE CLAIMS AT LEAST GIVE SOMETHING TO BACK THEM UP.

Read the Mandate for Palestine. The Job of Britain as Trustees was to facilitate Jewish immigration to public land while helped to set up the infrastructure for a country. The only reason Israel wasn't created back than is because they had to set up a system. Other countries were set up than.
bettybuns

Hibbs, PA

#111810 Dec 1, 2013
youtube.com/watch... …………Isreal is a turd

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#111811 Dec 1, 2013
nutjobs here wrote:
<quoted text>
It must have been rigged for the UN to vote in support of Jews.
So after millions of Jews were systematically massacred Israel "played the role of victim"?
The Arabs already had the whole of the region apart from a tiny piece of land. and 80% of Palestine was taken off the Mandate and Jordan was created.
it was the Palestine Arabs who from the 1920's began to massacre the indigenous Jewish population. The only reason that Jewish militias were created was to defend themselves from this ethnic cleansing. So eventually after numerous intifadas the Jews fought back. It was the Arabs who tried to wipe out Israel and failed. It was the local Palestine Arab population which ethnically cleansed all Jews from Gaza, West Bank and most of Jerusalem. They refused to make peace, tried to annihilate Israel and suffered the consequences.
The land was mostly vacant and much of it still is over 60 years later.
FFS THE PALESTINE ARABS SPOKE 22 DIFFERENT LANGUAGES BY THE 1930'S. They must have been indigenous.
Preamble to the terms of the mandate:

Whereas RECOGNITION has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country. THERE WAS NEVER ANY MENTION OF AN INDEPENDENT STATE

The terms of this mandate.
ART. 2. The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

ART. 4. An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognized as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

ART. 5. The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of the Government of any foreign Power.
ART. 6. The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

To be continued

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#111812 Dec 1, 2013
1. Why did they have to change the original date of the vote if they weren't trying to rally more support?

2. Please don't try playing the victim card again it is starting to wear thin and is totally unrelated to the topic at hand. Trying to play on peoples' sympathies to get people on board is not only gutless but perverse

3. Exactly, the ARABS lived in the whole of the area and the minority were the Jews who imposed themselves against the wishes of the locals into their homeland

4. Attacks were occurring because Jewish settlers were stealing land, intimidating Arabs and burning their homes. Let's see what Ben Gurion wrote to his son in 1937:

"We will expel the Arabs and take their place. In each attack a decisive blow should be struck resulting in the destructionof homes and the expulsion of the population"

5 I haven't ignored anything, the Jews were intimidating the Arabs, burning their home etc etc causing the Arabs to retaliate. Prior to the invasion of Palestine the Arabs and Jews had lived in harmony with each other

6. It is written in the preamble of the League of Nations and it is also written in the UN
The document defining Britain's obligations as Mandate power copied the text of the Balfour Declaration concerning the establishment of a Jewish homeland:

"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a NATIONAL HOME (NOT STATE) for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD THAT NOTHING SHALL BE DONE WHICH MAY PREJUDICE THE CIVIL AND EXISTING RIGHT OF EXISTING NON-JEWISH COMMUNITIES IN PALESTINE, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

7. The land was not vacant so stop your disgusting lies. If it was how was it that Israel destroyed over 383 villages in which people were living

8. In relation to the languages that most Arabs spoke have a good look at most European Jews they couldn't speak Hebrew

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