2nd degree murder equals no jail time

2nd degree murder equals no jail time

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juju blue

Coweta, OK

#1 Nov 27, 2008
no jail time for 2nd degree murder? So even if Catron is convicted I wouldn't count on him seeing a jail cell.
who

Washington, OK

#2 Dec 5, 2008
WHO ARE YOU SPEAKING OF?, who was charged with 2nd degree murder?
juju blue

Haskell, OK

#3 Dec 5, 2008
2 boys shot another one on orchard road a couple of years ago, I believe one was named higgins and one holly but not sure
who

Douglas, GA

#4 Dec 6, 2008
That's right!, I forgot about that.. was'nt holly though, can't remember what it was. So, did they go to court finally?, when?
lynn

Fort Smith, AR

#5 Dec 7, 2008
You its pretty bad when you can murder someone in cold blood and get probation on something that happened 6 years ago. The only reason its gone to court now is b/c the victim's parents pushed it. The victim was James Holly. One of the guys who did it used to go aroud at work bragging about getting away with murder, but I heard this from a friend, who heard it from his co-worker. I believe it. I know that these young men will get their judgement one day. My prayers are for the family as they have always been from the beginning.
Who

Douglas, GA

#6 Dec 7, 2008
I know that while waiting for trial on 2nd degree murder, they both broke into different businesses in town, and either got away with that or has'nt gone to court yet. They're on their way to jail, just like OJ. Gert away with murder and then go to jail for stupid crap.
rickys mom

Conneautville, PA

#7 Jan 14, 2009
They both were given deferred judgments and another young man who killed his cousin is as well to get a deferred soon. if they are on deferred and have been found guilty of other crimes they will e violated and the second degree murder will then stand back in court. Here is the article on the decision for deferreds. The ex D.A. of Adair said "not enough evidence" to convict and therefore deferred were offered and judge agreed. if this is true in fact then they should of went to jury trial and been completely free. My heart goes to the victims family as well.:) http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx...

“Better days”

Since: Jan 09

Poteau, OK

#8 Jan 14, 2009
Facing a jury trial might not lead to the desired outcome. It's much safer to just say there isn't enough evidence and save the jury trials for people that can't afford justice.
You Are Kidding Right

United States

#9 Jan 15, 2009
Left Hooverville, you got that right. The boy was James Hawley. He worked at the Save Mart and was always friendly and courteous to the customers. I didn't really know him personally. The shooters were a Higgins and a Thomas. One of them is from a fairly well-to-do First Baptist family. They literally opened fire and shot James so badly that the rented mobile home he was living in had to be destroyed because of the bloodstains. It was saturated. The story was that it was drug related, as though that excused it.(Presumably as long as something is drug related, us non-druggies don't need to worry, and we can feel that whatever happens is deserved. Therefore, it ain't our problem.)

Anyway, I'm sure after such a traumatic sentencing experience that the boys understand that killing somebody in his own living room just wasn't a nice thing to do....
gossip lady

Haskell, OK

#10 Jan 16, 2009
a good slap on the wrist just teach em'

“Better days”

Since: Jan 09

Poteau, OK

#11 Jan 16, 2009
You Are Kidding Right wrote:
...The story was that it was drug related, as though that excused it.(Presumably as long as something is drug related, us non-druggies don't need to worry, and we can feel that whatever happens is deserved. Therefore, it ain't our problem.)
Makes you wonder doesn't it? How many crimes in stilwell are really "drug related"? I remember hearing that a lot as a kid. After you hear that you don't really care as much about the outcome or what happens to the people involved. Seems to be that when the people in charge are corrupt that this type of accusation would be very valuable to enable them to do whatever they want. And good people that aren't involved just accept it, because after all, since they were druggies they probably had it coming.

Too bad about the guy that got killed, sounds like a good guy.
You Are Kidding Right

United States

#12 Jan 16, 2009
Left Hooverville wrote:
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Makes you wonder doesn't it? How many crimes in stilwell are really "drug related"? I remember hearing that a lot as a kid. After you hear that you don't really care as much about the outcome or what happens to the people involved. Seems to be that when the people in charge are corrupt that this type of accusation would be very valuable to enable them to do whatever they want. And good people that aren't involved just accept it, because after all, since they were druggies they probably had it coming.
Too bad about the guy that got killed, sounds like a good guy.
Exactly. I know there are drugs here (here, there and everywhere), but I really don't think EVERY crime that happens in Adair County is drug related. Stone cold sober people can also commit crimes and be victimes of crimes. There is no mention of drugs in Genesis when Cain slew Abel.

And even if drugs were involved, James Hawley was not a hard core drug dealer--or user. He was barely out of high school, and he was sacking groceries in a grocery store. He certainly wasn't stoned when he was loading grocries into little old ladies trunks, and he drove an old pickup and lived in a rented mobile home. No evidence of bling anywhere that I saw. But as long as it's proported to be drug related, people just don't care. Just get that rumor out as quickly as something happens and that's pretty much the end of it. So sad.

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