Pope Stops Short of Apology to Muslims

Pope Stops Short of Apology to Muslims

There are 378 comments on the The Associated Press story from Sep 16, 2006, titled Pope Stops Short of Apology to Muslims . In it, The Associated Press reports that:

Pope Benedict XVI 'sincerely regrets' offending Muslims with his reference to an obscure medieval text that characterizes some of the teachings of Islam's founder as 'evil and inhuman,' the Vatican said ...

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muslim dude

La Crescenta, CA

#1 Sep 17, 2006
it is not enough for the pope to say that he regrets offending muslims. if he is truly a man of god, then indeed he must apologize for his mistake of propagating falsehood about the religion of islam and it's founder muhammad (saw).

regardless of whether or not a person is muslim, christian, jewish, buddhist, atheist or whatever, we have reached and age of awareness and true knowledge to know [through well documented history and a deeper study of islam], that muhammad’s (saw) teachings of islam were not based on violence and/or “evil and inhuman ways” as noted by this medieval author and seconded by the pope. it is actually quite the contrary.

yes, i would be the first muslim to stand up and say that there are those muslims who are miseducated and misguided in regards to their own religion. and they resort to means that is not, by any means, islamic, but rather violent and, in most cases, down right ignorant. and these are the muslims that the media loves to focus on.

muhammad (saw) would never be happy with and would never approve of what these muslims do or claim to do in the name of god. again though, there is enough body of work out there in the world in regards to islam that clearly shows this.

it is actually amazing and astonishing, that a man such as the pope, who is a spiritual leader of millions upon millions, a man who should have ample knowledge of the true teachings of many faiths, especially that of islam and christianity, a man who also should have such a deep knowledge of the history of these two faiths (islam and christianity), chose to not look deeper for and share the truth of muhammad (saw). it is surprising that instead, he has chosen to follow the path of a writer of some medieval text. he does himself and the catholic church a total disservice. again, if he is truly a man of god, then with all sincerity, he should apologize for his error.

and in return, those muslims, and you know who you are- the few misguided ones who like to torch embassies, set fires to national flags, vandalize and destroy churches and holy houses of god, and hurl violent threats to those who do not understand you, you need to abandon miseducation and ignorance and live up to the true teachings of the man, the prophet, who you so claim to love so much, muhammad (saw).

as a practing muslim, one must know that a muslim must not profane or violently attack the christian faith, it’s houses of worship, it’s prophets or it’s followers. this is forbidden in islam. if we as muslims, are upset with what the pope has said, then it is up to us to respond with prayer and the true teachings of jihad, and that is “jihad of the pen.” exercise your intelligence by words and healthy debate, teach those who do not know what true islam is, and simply ask allah through prayer that truth and justice prevail. this is a benefit for all of mankind. and then if the pope indeed apologizes, then good. if not, then true justice always lies solely in the hands of god alone. and again, as it is taught, allah knows best.

yes, I am muslim
muslim dude

La Crescenta, CA

#2 Sep 17, 2006
it is not enough for the pope to say that he regrets offending muslims. if he is truly a man of god, then indeed he must apologize for his mistake of propagating falsehood about the religion of islam and it's founder muhammad (saw).

regardless of whether or not a person is muslim, christian, jewish, buddhist, atheist or whatever, we have reached and age of awareness and true knowledge to know [through well documented history and a deeper study of islam], that muhammad’s (saw) teachings of islam were not based on violence and/or “evil and inhuman ways” as noted by this medieval author and seconded by the pope. it is actually quite the contrary.

yes, i would be the first muslim to stand up and say that there are those muslims who are miseducated and misguided in regards to their own religion. and they resort to means that is not, by any means, islamic, but rather violent and, in most cases, down right ignorant. and these are the muslims that the media loves to focus on.

muhammad (saw) would never be happy with and would never approve of what these muslims do or claim to do in the name of god. again though, there is enough body of work out there in the world in regards to islam that clearly shows this.

it is actually amazing and astonishing, that a man such as the pope, who is a spiritual leader of millions upon millions, a man who should have ample knowledge of the true teachings of many faiths, especially that of islam and christianity, a man who also should have such a deep knowledge of the history of these two faiths (islam and christianity), chose to not look deeper for and share the truth of muhammad (saw). it is surprising that instead, he has chosen to follow the path of a writer of some medieval text. he does himself and the catholic church a total disservice. again, if he is truly a man of god, then with all sincerity, he should apologize for his error.

and in return, those muslims, and you know who you are- the few misguided ones who like to torch embassies, set fires to national flags, vandalize and destroy churches and holy houses of god, and hurl violent threats to those who do not understand you, you need to abandon miseducation and ignorance and live up to the true teachings of the man, the prophet, who you so claim to love so much, muhammad (saw).

as a practing muslim, one must know that a muslim must not profane or violently attack the christian faith, it’s houses of worship, it’s prophets or it’s followers. this is forbidden in islam. if we as muslims, are upset with what the pope has said, then it is up to us to respond with prayer and the true teachings of jihad, and that is “jihad of the pen.” exercise your intelligence by words and healthy debate, teach those who do not know what true islam is, and simply ask allah through prayer that truth and justice prevail. this is a benefit for all of mankind. and then if the pope indeed apologizes, then good. if not, then true justice always lies solely in the hands of god alone. and again, as it is taught, allah knows best.

yes, I am muslim
muslim dude

La Crescenta, CA

#3 Sep 17, 2006
my apologies...i posted twice by accident

peace to all
catholic dude

Macon, GA

#4 Sep 17, 2006
I agree 100% with "muslim dude", but I would like to also add that unfortunately these "uneducated" and "misinformed" muslims that resort to violence, comprise the MAJORITY of muslims from muslim countries. When something like this happens, there is always millions of these "miseducated" muslims that go around burning things and killing each other everytime somebody offends them. If there are any "civilized" muslims in this world, they must be a very small number.
REALITY dood

Austin, TX

#5 Sep 17, 2006
First off, Islam is an Anti-Christian religion. It does not recognize that Jesus was the Son of God, and only considers him to be another prophet. For that, and other reasons, it is blasphemous religion at odds with Christianity.

So I ask you, are you going to apologize for that and the many other things about Islam that offends Christians???- obviously not.

To succumb to constant Muslim demands for apologies, and behavior that is not in harmony with the Koran, would be the same as accepting it as valid for us…it is not.

You, apparently, live in my country which was founded on Christian Judaic principles of right and wrong – and freedom of thought. The freedom of MY country gives me the right to NOT respect your beliefs – and defends that right.

You insult me and show your ingratitude by DEMANDING I respect your beliefs. Do not confuse respect and fear. Respect must be earned, it cannot be demanded.

The kindness and respect I – and my fellow citizens – have given to your belief has been seen as weakness and has been repaid with attacks on my country. The attackers demand that I submit to your religion, or face destruction by their hand.

The freedom of MY country gives me the right to flush your Koran down the toilet, if I choose. Any respect I give to you is by my free choice. If you were sincere and consistent, you would be apologizing for those who do not respect that freedom.

Furthermore, you say “muhammad (saw) would never be happy with and would never approve of what these muslims do or claim to do in the name of god.”– Which – if true - means you, and others who claim to be “good Muslims”, are at odds with Islam. When you remain silent, you are “sinning” against your own beliefs.

You should ALL be standing up and fighting against these people with every means possible. THAT were be your Jihad, to save your religion and THAT is what your rewards and martyrdom would come from.

Instead, all I see and hear are demands for respect and submission. No marches in the streets to protest the TRUE insult to what you say you believe; only complaints against those who have not raised a finger against what you say is “the true spirit of Islam”.

There is an old saying in America:“Clean up your own backyard before you complain about mine.”
REALITY dood

Austin, TX

#6 Sep 17, 2006
muslim dude wrote:
...i would be the first muslim to stand up and say that there are those muslims who are miseducated and misguided in regards to their own religion. and they resort to means that is not, by any means, islamic, but rather violent and, in most cases, down right ignorant. and these are the muslims that the media loves to focus on.
muhammad (saw) would never be happy with and would never approve of what these muslims do or claim to do in the name of god.
The above post is for you...
REALITY dood

Austin, TX

#7 Sep 17, 2006
catholic dude wrote:
I agree 100% with "muslim dude", but I would like to also add that unfortunately these "uneducated" and "misinformed" muslims that resort to violence, comprise the MAJORITY of muslims from muslim countries. When something like this happens, there is always millions of these "miseducated" muslims that go around burning things and killing each other everytime somebody offends them. If there are any "civilized" muslims in this world, they must be a very small number.
Sounds like a case of guilt over the past sins of the catholic church...

Although it is the source of the bloody parts of Christian history, your apology and pandering reminds me of this verse:

Matthew 23:

29)'You scribes and Pharisees will have trouble. You who are not true to yourselves! You build places to bury the prophets and fix up graves of good men.

30) You say, "If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have helped to kill the prophets of God."

31) So you prove that you are the sons of the men who killed the prophets.
catholic dude

Macon, GA

#8 Sep 17, 2006
The "reality" dude sounds like a "babtist" that hates all religions other than his own. Just like most Muslims, he uses the book of his religion to justify his own personal prejudices against other religions. He probably practices incest and dances with rattlesnakes. Oh, and by the way, there was no apology from me on my comment.
catholic dude

Macon, GA

#9 Sep 17, 2006
By the way, even though "dude" is slang, the "reality" dude should probably finish grammar school and learn how to spell right -- "dood" is not a word. He should lay off from that rattlesnake dancing and get an education.
Bernard

Little Rock, AR

#10 Sep 17, 2006
muslim dude wrote:
it is not enough for the pope to say that he regrets offending muslims. if he is truly a man of god, then indeed he must apologize for his mistake of propagating falsehood about the religion of islam and it's founder muhammad (saw).
regardless of whether or not a person is muslim, christian, jewish, buddhist, atheist or whatever, we have reached and age of awareness and true knowledge to know [through well documented history and a deeper study of islam], that muhammad’s (saw) teachings of islam were not based on violence and/or “evil and inhuman ways” as noted by this medieval author and seconded by the pope. it is actually quite the contrary

yes, i would be the first muslim to stand up and say that there are those muslims who are miseducated and misguided in regards to their own religion. and they resort to means that is not, by any means, islamic, but rather violent and, in most cases, down right ignorant. and these are the muslims that the media loves to focus on.
muhammad (saw) would never be happy with and would never approve of what these muslims do or claim to do in the name of god. again though, there is enough body of work out there in the world in regards to islam that clearly shows this.
it is actually amazing and astonishing, that a man such as the pope, who is a spiritual leader of millions upon millions, a man who should have ample knowledge of the true teachings of many faiths, especially that of islam and christianity, a man who also should have such a deep knowledge of the history of these two faiths (islam and christianity), chose to not look deeper for and share the truth of muhammad (saw). it is surprising that instead, he has chosen to follow the path of a writer of some medieval text. he does himself and the catholic church a total disservice. again, if he is truly a man of god, then with all sincerity, he should apologize for his error.
and in return, those muslims, and you know who you are- the few misguided ones who like to torch embassies, set fires to national flags, vandalize and destroy churches and holy houses of god, and hurl violent threats to those who do not understand you, you need to abandon miseducation and ignorance and live up to the true teachings of the man, the prophet, who you so claim to love so much, muhammad (saw).
as a practing muslim, one must know that a muslim must not profane or violently attack the christian faith, it’s houses of worship, it’s prophets or it’s followers. this is forbidden in islam. if we as muslims, are upset with what the pope has said, then it is up to us to respond with prayer and the true teachings of jihad, and that is “jihad of the pen.” exercise your intelligence by words and healthy debate, teach those who do not know what true islam is, and simply ask allah through prayer that truth and justice prevail. this is a benefit for all of mankind. and then if the pope indeed apologizes, then good. if not, then true justice always lies solely in the hands of god alone. and again, as it is taught, allah knows best.
yes, I am muslim
Perhaps Muslims should learn to act more humanely. Muslim fundyism is sure causing a lot of deaths and distruction. Perhaps you should clean up your own Mosque instead of throwing a tantrum when someone frowns at you. The Pope could stand to be nicer too. He is a complete ass as well..but this notion that Islam can't be talked about in unflattering light is just sick. Islam is killing many people today..I don't think that is to be admired.
Retired2005

Winchester, KY

#11 Sep 17, 2006
catholic dude wrote:
By the way, even though "dude" is slang, the "reality" dude should probably finish grammar school and learn how to spell right -- "dood" is not a word. He should lay off from that rattlesnake dancing and get an education.
Actually, Dood is a word, as a simple Google search will reveal.
When a person chooses a name for him/herself, it can be spelled any way they desire.
Retired2005

Winchester, KY

#12 Sep 17, 2006
catholic dude wrote:
The "reality" dude sounds like a "babtist" that hates all religions other than his own. Just like most Muslims, he uses the book of his religion to justify his own personal prejudices against other religions. He probably practices incest and dances with rattlesnakes. Oh, and by the way, there was no apology from me on my comment.
The correct spelling is "Baptist"

You have just made the same jump in thinking that the Muslims did in their reaction to the Pope's speech. Dood quoted a passage of scripture and you turned it into a personal prejudice. The Pope quoted a 1000 year old discourse between two scholars and the Muslims turned that into a personal insult against their religion. Where is the logic to either?
Kearney

Columbia, MD

#13 Sep 17, 2006
There will not be lasting peace in the Middle East until both Islam and Israel concede that BOTH Moses and Mohammed were false prophets - mixing their own visions with possible Word of God.

(then no one will be so certain about commandments - see - and then they will have to use their own reasoning skills - instead of crazy loyalty to lies)...

the solution is simple, but the road to peace requires leaders going in the beneficial direction of peace.
Kearney

Columbia, MD

#14 Sep 17, 2006
There will not be lasting peace in the Middle East until both Islam and Israel concede that BOTH Moses and Mohammed were false prophets - mixing their own visions with possible Word of God.

(then no one will be so certain about commandments - see - and then they will have to use their own reasoning skills - instead of crazy loyalty to lies)...no religioius book in the world is truely the Word of God.... beause just as God's face can not be seen neither can his word be heard in pure form. That includes Christianity as well.

the solution is simple, but the road to peace requires leaders going in the beneficial direction of peace.
Kearney

Columbia, MD

#15 Sep 17, 2006
Oh, pardon, me I apologize... I am sorry... I posted virtually the same message twice. May the Muslims forgive me...

nah, I don't really need Muslims to forrgive me for anything.... people are people... forgiveness is at best a compromise.

Anyway, today is Sunday...
tek

Windsor, Canada

#17 Sep 17, 2006
catholic dude wrote:
The "reality" dude sounds like a "babtist" that hates all religions other than his own. Just like most Muslims, he uses the book of his religion to justify his own personal prejudices against other religions. He probably practices incest and dances with rattlesnakes. Oh, and by the way, there was no apology from me on my comment.
As a christian/catholic, is funny that you should be talking about throwing the book in peoples faces. Catholics are just as bad for that. I'm catholic myself, but not in denial
tek

Windsor, Canada

#18 Sep 17, 2006
Abortion, gay marriage, contraception, ect ect. The church/pope needs to give up and let people live their lives
diamondp_MI

Hamilton, Canada

#19 Sep 17, 2006
It sickens me that the Pope has apologized for speaking the truth.

Muslims claim they are so peaceful but they can behead innocent people while they are still alive all in the name of their religion and Allah. They get pissed off when anyone speaks out against them. Their actions have proven time and time again that peace is not even in their language.

I think it is sick that they hide behind their religion to mask what they truly are. Nothing but murderers and terrorists.

We need to get Muslims out of our country along with the illegal aliens and make a clean sweep all at once. Take back America and live freely, because we sure aren't as free as we once were and 9/11 was just the top off...diminishing our freedoms that the Constitution has awarded us has been going on long before 9/11. Stand up America..open your eyes and win back our Country!
Jones

Tenafly, NJ

#20 Sep 17, 2006
muslim dude wrote:
it is not enough for the pope to say that he regrets offending muslims. if he is truly a man of god, then indeed he must apologize for his mistake of propagating falsehood about the religion of islam and it's founder muhammad (saw).
regardless of whether or not a person is muslim, christian, jewish, buddhist, atheist or whatever, we have reached and age of awareness and true knowledge to know [through well documented history and a deeper study of islam], that muhammad’s (saw) teachings of islam were not based on violence and/or “evil and inhuman ways” as noted by this medieval author and seconded by the pope. it is actually quite the contrary.
yes, i would be the first muslim to stand up and say that there are those muslims who are miseducated and misguided in regards to their own religion. and they resort to means that is not, by any means, islamic, but rather violent and, in most cases, down right ignorant. and these are the muslims that the media loves to focus on.
muhammad (saw) would never be happy with and would never approve of what these muslims do or claim to do in the name of god. again though, there is enough body of work out there in the world in regards to islam that clearly shows this.
it is actually amazing and astonishing, that a man such as the pope, who is a spiritual leader of millions upon millions, a man who should have ample knowledge of the true teachings of many faiths, especially that of islam and christianity, a man who also should have such a deep knowledge of the history of these two faiths (islam and christianity), chose to not look deeper for and share the truth of muhammad (saw). it is surprising that instead, he has chosen to follow the path of a writer of some medieval text. he does himself and the catholic church a total disservice. again, if he is truly a man of god, then with all sincerity, he should apologize for his error.
and in return, those muslims, and you know who you are- the few misguided ones who like to torch embassies, set fires to national flags, vandalize and destroy churches and holy houses of god, and hurl violent threats to those who do not understand you, you need to abandon miseducation and ignorance and live up to the true teachings of the man, the prophet, who you so claim to love so much, muhammad (saw).
as a practing muslim, one must know that a muslim must not profane or violently attack the christian faith, it’s houses of worship, it’s prophets or it’s followers. this is forbidden in islam. if we as muslims, are upset with what the pope has said, then it is up to us to respond with prayer and the true teachings of jihad, and that is “jihad of the pen.” exercise your intelligence by words and healthy debate, teach those who do not know what true islam is, and simply ask allah through prayer that truth and justice prevail. this is a benefit for all of mankind. and then if the pope indeed apologizes, then good. if not, then true justice always lies solely in the hands of god alone. and again, as it is taught, allah knows best.
yes, I am muslim
well said, indeed. What you said gives hope to many Amercians.
Insane_in_the_me mbrane

Bend, OR

#21 Sep 17, 2006
These are the same people who got upset about a couple of cartoons in a magazine in Denmark. They're not rational. The only thing they understand is violence and war. Lets win their hearts and minds....Two in the heart, one in the mind.

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