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Snowmobile crash ruled an accident - Sentinel & Enterprise

There are 27 comments on the Sentinel & Enterprise story from Jan 8, 2010, titled Snowmobile crash ruled an accident - Sentinel & Enterprise. In it, Sentinel & Enterprise reports that:

Middlesex District Attorney Gerry Leone's office announced Thursday that the investigation into Sunday's fatal snowmobile crash is closed and it has been ruled an accident.

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DannyD

Leominster, MA

#1 Jan 8, 2010
I am glad that this information was published and wish it was published sooner.
My best to the family and apologies for comments I made on the other forum.
do not know

Fitchburg, MA

#2 Jan 8, 2010
don't know what the above post is referring to, but can I remind everyone that the word "accident" is used way too frequently. An accident suggests that it could not have been avoided under any circumstances, such as I was trying to turn but a bolt broke and the steering was no longer in my control. Putting yourself in a bad situation where something might happen doesn't suggest an accident occurred. The word would be negligance.
DannyD wrote:
I am glad that this information was published and wish it was published sooner.
My best to the family and apologies for comments I made on the other forum.
Just me --the big bully

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#3 Jan 8, 2010
do not know wrote:
don't know what the above post is referring to, but can I remind everyone that the word "accident" is used way too frequently. An accident suggests that it could not have been avoided under any circumstances, such as I was trying to turn but a bolt broke and the steering was no longer in my control. Putting yourself in a bad situation where something might happen doesn't suggest an accident occurred. The word would be negligance.
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Or it could involve hitting a patch of ice (near 0 control), rounding a corner and having to avoid something in the trail...etc. These are all things that could cause an "accident".
Flatlander

Brockton, MA

#4 Jan 8, 2010
do not know wrote:
don't know what the above post is referring to, but can I remind everyone that the word "accident" is used way too frequently. An accident suggests that it could not have been avoided under any circumstances, such as I was trying to turn but a bolt broke and the steering was no longer in my control. Putting yourself in a bad situation where something might happen doesn't suggest an accident occurred. The word would be negligance.
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I agree. Unfortunately many times people don't get the opportunity to learn from their mistakes. As they say, "Safety is no accident".
ApologyAccepted

Waukesha, WI

#5 Jan 8, 2010
Thank you Danny for that apology, it was upsetting to those close what was said in the other forum by you and a few others. However I can see how the assumption was made about drugs and drinking etc because of the age of riders. Just Me-big bully- you are right. Mike was an avid rider, knew the trails but there are circumstances that we may never know of why this happened. This tragedy has broken many hearts, Please keep praying for Jen's recovery, her children and her family for keeping stregnth by her side
do not know

Fitchburg, MA

#6 Jan 8, 2010
yes, but both those scenerios could be avoided if speed were completely under control. Rounding a corner with something in the trail wouldn't be an excuse either because if they were going slow, they could stop, slow down, or avoid the obstacle. Again, an accident means unavoidable occurrance. We call traffic accidents accidents when most of the time they should be called collisions caused by human error.
Just me --the big bully wrote:
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Or it could involve hitting a patch of ice (near 0 control), rounding a corner and having to avoid something in the trail...etc. These are all things that could cause an "accident".
DannyD

Leominster, MA

#7 Jan 8, 2010
I was very stupid and uncaring and feel terrible. wish I could take it all back.
Just me --the big bully

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#8 Jan 8, 2010
do not know wrote:
yes, but both those scenerios could be avoided if speed were completely under control. Rounding a corner with something in the trail wouldn't be an excuse either because if they were going slow, they could stop, slow down, or avoid the obstacle. Again, an accident means unavoidable occurrance. We call traffic accidents accidents when most of the time they should be called collisions caused by human error.
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So, unless it is a vehicle malfunction......nothing on the trail, while doing the "speed limit" can be classified as an accident?
You must be a beginner rider.........you will learn that some things, under the most safe conditions and operation, are unavoidable.....I pray that you do not get injured doing so.
do not know

Fitchburg, MA

#9 Jan 8, 2010
An accident is a specific, identifiable, unexpected, unusual and unintended external action which occurs in a particular time and place, without apparent or deliberate cause but with marked effects. It implies a generally negative probabilistic outcome which may have been avoided or prevented had circumstances leading up to the accident been recognized, and acted upon, prior to its occurrence.

Experts in the field of injury prevention avoid use of the term 'accident' to describe events that cause injury in an attempt to highlight the predictable and preventable nature of most injuries. Such incidents are viewed from the perspective of epidemiology - predictable and preventable. Preferred words are more descriptive of the event itself, rather than of its unintended nature (e.g., collision, drowning, fall, etc.)

Accidents of particularly common types (auto, fire, etc.) are investigated to identify how to avoid them in the future. This is sometimes called root cause analysis, but does not generally apply to accidents that cannot be deterministically predicted. A root cause of an uncommon and purely random accident may never be identified, and thus future similar accidents remain "accidental."

I know that this is the wiki definition for accident, but I think it's still appropriate. And I don't ride snowmobiles but have ridden motorcycles for the past 17 years. I was involved in a very bad collision in the very common car taking a left turn across traffic and striking me. I would not call that an accident, I call it a car hitting me due to negligance. The term accident refers to when someone was doing all the right things but still couldn't possibly avoid a situation, like if a large tree limb fell on top of someone while riding on a trail in the woods. Otherwise the word incident should be used.
Just me --the big bully wrote:
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So, unless it is a vehicle malfunction......nothing on the trail, while doing the "speed limit" can be classified as an accident?
You must be a beginner rider.........you will learn that some things, under the most safe conditions and operation, are unavoidable.....I pray that you do not get injured doing so.
Just me --the big bully

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#10 Jan 8, 2010
I too ride motorcycles, but if you have not ridden a sled, then you really don't know.
Granted, some of the situations are similar to that of the roads....ice, snow, etc. But the handling is completely different, most of the times speed is a factor, but one does not have to be speeding to have an accident.

But thank you for admitting you have not driven a sled.....most on here would have lied just to start an argument and keep it going.
You should try driving them, it is very exciting and the trails are beautiful when the snow is falling.
Have it your way

Westminster, MA

#11 Jan 8, 2010
do not know wrote:
An accident is a specific, identifiable, unexpected, unusual and unintended external action which occurs in a particular time and place, without apparent or deliberate cause but with marked effects. It implies a generally negative probabilistic outcome which may have been avoided or prevented had circumstances leading up to the accident been recognized, and acted upon, prior to its occurrence.
Experts in the field of injury prevention avoid use of the term 'accident' to describe events that cause injury in an attempt to highlight the predictable and preventable nature of most injuries. Such incidents are viewed from the perspective of epidemiology - predictable and preventable. Preferred words are more descriptive of the event itself, rather than of its unintended nature (e.g., collision, drowning, fall, etc.)
Accidents of particularly common types (auto, fire, etc.) are investigated to identify how to avoid them in the future. This is sometimes called root cause analysis, but does not generally apply to accidents that cannot be deterministically predicted. A root cause of an uncommon and purely random accident may never be identified, and thus future similar accidents remain "accidental."
I know that this is the wiki definition for accident, but I think it's still appropriate. And I don't ride snowmobiles but have ridden motorcycles for the past 17 years. I was involved in a very bad collision in the very common car taking a left turn across traffic and striking me. I would not call that an accident, I call it a car hitting me due to negligance. The term accident refers to when someone was doing all the right things but still couldn't possibly avoid a situation, like if a large tree limb fell on top of someone while riding on a trail in the woods. Otherwise the word incident should be used.
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Okay, Okay, we get it. You want it called a negligent incident or some version thereof. Ok you get your way. Can you please just let it go?
DannyD

Leominster, MA

#12 Jan 8, 2010
I believe the word accident implies no negligence. Perhaps an accident can be avoided, but the DA found no fault.
That answers and puts to rests questions I asked earlier, questions that were premature, offensive and turn out to be irrelevant.
I believe the family of the deceased can hold their heads with pride as they put their son to rest.
hnn

Somerville, MA

#13 Jan 11, 2010
i think mike was being an ass this time... he didnt have a right to go flying in the first place w/o a helmut and with a woman that has 3 children on the back he should have been even more safety thinking..but no he had to be a showoff..thats the bottom line..im sorry but they say theres a personality disorder that says when one has a total disregard for someone else`s life..like the girl on the back...socialpathic..sorry im blowing off steam cause not once has anyone said that he blew it and cost this girl his life..if he wanted to be an ass he should have went alone
Just me --the big bully

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#14 Jan 11, 2010
hnn wrote:
i think mike was being an **** this time... he didnt have a right to go flying in the first place w/o a helmut and with a woman that has 3 children on the back he should have been even more safety thinking..but no he had to be a showoff..thats the bottom line..im sorry but they say theres a personality disorder that says when one has a total disregard for someone else`s life..like the girl on the back...socialpathic..sorry im blowing off steam cause not once has anyone said that he blew it and cost this girl his life..if he wanted to be an **** he should have went alone
Were you there to know he was acting like this?

“Uzi Does It”

Since: Nov 08

UZILAND

#15 Jan 11, 2010
Just me --the big bully wrote:
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Or it could involve hitting a patch of ice (near 0 control), rounding a corner and having to avoid something in the trail...etc. These are all things that could cause an "accident".
Accident = Negligent Act.

“Uzi Does It”

Since: Nov 08

UZILAND

#16 Jan 11, 2010
ApologyAccepted wrote:
However I can see how the assumption was made about drugs and drinking etc because of the age of riders.
This article doesn't mention anything about toxicology tests or the results of such tests.

“Uzi Does It”

Since: Nov 08

UZILAND

#17 Jan 11, 2010
Just me --the big bully wrote:
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You must be a beginner rider.........you will learn that some things, under the most safe conditions and operation, are unavoidable.
Then, such dangerous activity should be banned. Especially, if the danger is from "'unpreventable' accidents" such as this one.
Just me --the big bully

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#18 Jan 11, 2010
Richard_ wrote:
<quoted text>Accident = Negligent Act.
Still not buying it, but thanks for trying.
Just me --the big bully

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#19 Jan 11, 2010
Richard_ wrote:
<quoted text>Then, such dangerous activity should be banned. Especially, if the danger is from "'unpreventable' accidents" such as this one.
While driving cars and trucks some things, under the most safe conditions and operation, are "unavoidable". So should we ban those too "oh smart one"?

“Uzi Does It”

Since: Nov 08

UZILAND

#20 Jan 11, 2010
Just me --the big bully wrote:
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Still not buying it, but thanks for trying.
If he would have lived and the girl would have died, he would have been charged with negligent homicide, not "accidental" homicide.

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