Barbers angry at a West St. Paul cosm...

Barbers angry at a West St. Paul cosmetology shop billing itself as barbershop

There are 76 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Feb 23, 2011, titled Barbers angry at a West St. Paul cosmetology shop billing itself as barbershop. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Pat Link has seen lots of trends over her 36 years as a barber. Flat tops and high-and-tight cuts dominated the 1950s.

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scj

Saint Paul, MN

#1 Feb 24, 2011
I hope this whole thing gets straightened out ... it's not fair to the real barbershops and it's going to really hurt them if it doesn't. By the way i go to the barbershop in West St. Paul and they are awesome!
MTP

New Orleans, LA

#2 Feb 24, 2011
I take issue with the final comment from Mr. Kasel. I understand that to a consumer this issue may not seem very important. However, I would like to know what Mr. Kasel does for work and if he would agree (to be consistent) that a competitor in his field could call himself or herself something for which he or she has not had the required training. A teaching assistant is not a teacher, a paralegal is not a lawyer, and a cosmetologist is not a barber. The solution is simple: don't call yourself one if you are not one.
Change the name of the shop to reflect the reality.
Tony Rozycki

United States

#3 Feb 24, 2011
Hair cutters: I usually get my remaining hair cut at Great Clips & last week asked about shaving the back of my neck like barbers did when I was a kid & teenager. As expected the hair stylist explained only barbers, but not stylists, are trained & allowed to give razor blade shaves (with cream).

The discussion began from an old west cowboy comic in which the barber kept a pitcher of water & a glass on his shelf. After each shave he gave the customer a glass of water "to see if his neck leaks".

ps cosmetology & cosmology are different Bob

pss in the old old days many barbers were also surgeons
Dr Quack

South Saint Paul, MN

#4 Feb 24, 2011
Why worry about it once someone accidentally has a hair cut by a cosmetologist they'll know they are not barbers.
RUJOKING

Naubinway, MI

#5 Feb 24, 2011
I don't see how this company is being misleading. Their name is the barbershop a hair salon for men. I recieved one of their flyers in the mail, said it right on the flyer, says so on their website. Went in and had the best haircut and service I have ever recieved from a hair cutting place. They clearly are set up to cater to male customers but what's wrong with that? Are you sure these people aren't just upset because someone built a better mouse trap? Is the state going to start shutting down businesses because other businesses are worried about competing? That's what this seems like to me. What a joke. I sure hope the state of MN has something better to do than to bug a business that is growing a creating jobs.

Since: Mar 08

St. Paul, MN

#6 Feb 24, 2011
"This is about keeping the two professions separate," she said, adding she would like to see the name of Allen's salons changed. "It's bad enough that some of the chains have dual licenses. So now us independents have to deal with this, too?"

Boo-hoo, crymeariver. Geez. Have any of the CUSTOMERS complained? Or is it just COMPETITORS complaining?
PTB

Saint Paul, MN

#7 Feb 24, 2011
I will tell you what is misleading. It is very simple, RUJOKING. They are not barbers. They do not have barbers working there. They are not licensed to be a barbershop. You can not legally use their symbolism (the barber pole) or their job title (barber) with out proper licencing. In most any other profession you can get into very serious legal trouble for misrepresenting yourself. For example, I can't put a sign on my window saying I am a police station. Why not? I can hand cuff people, who cares right? Better yet,a psychologist can not pass himself/herself off as a psychiatrist. True, they are similar but there are different licences that keep these professions separate. A psychologist can't prescribe drugs. A psychiatrist can prescribe drugs. Simple. A barber is not licensed to wax or do nails, A cosmetologist is. A cosmetologist is not licensed to do straight razor shaves, a barber is. A barber and a cosmetologist are not allowed by law to work in the same room unless there is a four foot tall partition between them! Even then the barber has to have a barber shop licence for his/her station or the owner has duel licensing. So it's actually very simple. It's not about better mouse traps. It's about the fact that some johnny come lately corporations are are calling themselves barbershops, let alone "The" Barbershop, with out the proper licensing.

So, it's easy. Go to barber school get 1500 hours of class and floor time. Take and pass your apprentice barber licence test. Work under a master barber for 1500 hours and a year. Take and pass your master barber test. Find a location. Finally Submit an application for a barbershop license to the Minnesota Board of Barber Examiners. Now you can call your self an Barbershop.
Curtis Mathis

Minneapolis, MN

#8 Feb 24, 2011
You know what I hate? When astrologists tell people they're astronomers. I also hate it when podiatrists call themselves proctologists.
Curtis Mathis

Minneapolis, MN

#9 Feb 24, 2011
Optomistrist, opticians, opthamologists, optimus prime, the list goes on and on..
Diamond Horseshoe

Minneapolis, MN

#10 Feb 24, 2011
Any man with cajones that walks into one of these "CheapShot" joints is going to know right away that it isn't a real BarberShop. "If" he has Cajones! I personally wouldn't be caught dead in one of these joints but that's just me. I'm predjudiced.
I like to go into a REAL BARBERSHOP where I can get down to the Nitty Gritty with Da Boys and not have some chickee poo pulling on my hair. Some guys have to go to these joints just so they can feel a woman's touch. I get plenty of that at home.
MAN UP......Especially Pancow in your article.
Sarah D

Minneapolis, MN

#11 Feb 24, 2011
As noted above by another poster, it's like the difference between a psychiatrist and a psychologist. They both do therapy BUT the psychiatrist is licensed to write prescriptions as well.

Cosmetologists and barbers both cut hair BUT the barber is licensed to do shaves as well.

And if the salon is advertising BARBER massages on the website that is definitely misleading.

A barbershop is a barbershop and a salon is a salon. They're different businesses both requiring SPECIFIC licensing. If a salon wants to call itself the barbershop, they need a licensed barber on the premises.

If a barbershop wanted to call itself a salon it would need a licensed cosmetologist on the presence.



Diamond Horseshoe

Minneapolis, MN

#12 Feb 24, 2011
Oh yeah, one more thing.....TAKE YOUR "COUPON" AND SHOVE IT!
Marx Karl Dayton

Saint Paul, MN

#13 Feb 24, 2011
Curtis Mathis wrote:
You know what I hate? When astrologists tell people they're astronomers. I also hate it when podiatrists call themselves proctologists.
Curtis, a good swift kick in the butt could require a podiatist and/or proctologist. And I know that you offer 4 years on the parts, and 4 years on the labor. For making a smart comment regarding confusion and for having a cutesy warranty phrase, I am going to increase YOUR income taxes by 5%, so you are sure to pay your fair share!
Jack Pine

Saint Paul, MN

#14 Feb 24, 2011
Marx Karl Dayton wrote:
<quoted text>
Curtis, a good swift kick in the butt could require a podiatist and/or proctologist. And I know that you offer 4 years on the parts, and 4 years on the labor. For making a smart comment regarding confusion and for having a cutesy warranty phrase, I am going to increase YOUR income taxes by 5%, so you are sure to pay your fair share!
Make it 10 Kwazy Eyes!
Marx Karl Dayton

Saint Paul, MN

#15 Feb 24, 2011
Jack Pine wrote:
<quoted text>
Make it 10 Kwazy Eyes!
10 it is Jack! Thanks for the idea... please join my cabinet, I like the way you think!
overegulate everything

Monroe, LA

#16 Feb 24, 2011
the whole business of "licenses" and certification are by and large a self-serving way of people in a line of work to protect themselves from any new competition.

how many people die from unlicensed hair braider ?
Mr Cowlick

Minneapolis, MN

#17 Feb 24, 2011
I have yet to find a cosmetologist that can cut my hair without making me look like Justin Bieber or a homeless artist. I like a barber, especially the ones who still have Playboy in the magazine rack. All of the world's problems have been solved in the barber shop.
Ms V

Saint Paul, MN

#18 Feb 24, 2011
Why don't we just wipe out licensing requirements for all professions because, gee, it hinders the progress of capitalism.
Run For Cover

Saint Paul, MN

#19 Feb 24, 2011
Do they give a foot massage
Marx Karl Dayton

Saint Paul, MN

#20 Feb 24, 2011
Run For Cover wrote:
Do they give a foot massage
No foot massage, but a nice shoulder massage. They might shave your junk if you ask them to do so. Sounds like some more services I can tax...

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