3 killed after police chase, crash in Granville County

Full story: Asheville Citizen-Times

Two sisters returning from a shopping trip and a man trying to elude police were killed Saturday when their cars collided head-on, authorities said.

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Dec 2, 2007
 
Another chase and two more innocent people dead. When will this CRAP stop? There are better ways to deal with this other than the cowboy and Indian thought process. I would support murder charges against any and all LEO for this adrenaline filled joy ride.

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fastsam wrote:
Another chase and two more innocent people dead. When will this CRAP stop? There are better ways to deal with this other than the cowboy and Indian thought process. I would support murder charges against any and all LEO for this adrenaline filled joy ride.
I don't think I would support murder charges right off the bat, but I do think that high speed car chases are pretty unnecessary most of the time.
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Dec 2, 2007
 
What about the guy that ran from the police and passed on a hill with double yellow lines. He is at much at fault if not more.
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Dec 2, 2007
 
I find it interesting that many people feel the need to blame the police when something like this happens. Yes, it is very tragic that the two girls died, but, on the other hand, the officer was doing his job. He spotted the man driving erratically and therefore pursed the subject. There is a good chance that whether the officer chased him or not that someone was going to get hurt because of the way he was driving to begin with. How would you feel if you saw a vehicle driving erratically and an officer saw it and did not pursue? Something tells me you would not be very happy about it.
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Dec 2, 2007
 
fastsam wrote:
Another chase and two more innocent people dead. When will this CRAP stop? There are better ways to deal with this other than the cowboy and Indian thought process. I would support murder charges against any and all LEO for this adrenaline filled joy ride.


And what are your suggestions Mr. arm chair quarterback?

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Dec 2, 2007
 
brilntdsgz wrote:
What about the guy that ran from the police and passed on a hill with double yellow lines. He is at much at fault if not more.
Yeah.
Hes dead though
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Dec 2, 2007
 
Sad, very sad news. I hope the officers involved are obligated to attend the funeral of these beautiful young ladies. What was so wrong with getting the guys tag number and paying him a visit at home or work place later, all in the interest of public saftey. The impulse to chase, as fatsam alludes to, seems to have it's basis as a visceral reaction rather than clear rational thinking.

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fastsam wrote:
Another chase and two more innocent people dead. When will this CRAP stop? There are better ways to deal with this other than the cowboy and Indian thought process. I would support murder charges against any and all LEO for this adrenaline filled joy ride.
If police did not chase, then Samuel Cooper would not have been caught last week.

If you don't know who Samuel Cooper is, he just confessed to five murders in the Raleigh area. That makes him a serial killer. He was being chased for a bank robbery.

He would break into homes at night and shoot the victims. He made a statement that he usually kills anyone in the homes. He thought he killed four more people during his home invasions, but they survived gunshot wounds to the head.

If the police just quit the chase, there is no doubt in my mind this man would continue to kill until he was caught. Keep in mind, they did not know this man was a suspect in these killings and the vehicle was not registered to him, so there is no "get his tag and get him later".

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Dec 2, 2007
 
SIG wrote:
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And what are your suggestions Mr. arm chair quarterback?
In 50% of the chases, the person who is being chased is known by police. That cuts half the chases right off the bat. I know you are LEO involved but you have to be able to look out side the box. If it were your loved ones killed because of this you would have a different attitude. Driving over 100 mph is illegal for the police as well as the one being chased. So you might need to get off your high horse of being behind a badge and look at the realities of life.
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If police did not chase, then Samuel Cooper would not have been caught last week.
If you don't know who Samuel Cooper is, he just confessed to five murders in the Raleigh area. That makes him a serial killer. He was being chased for a bank robbery.
He would break into homes at night and shoot the victims. He made a statement that he usually kills anyone in the homes. He thought he killed four more people during his home invasions, but they survived gunshot wounds to the head.
If the police just quit the chase, there is no doubt in my mind this man would continue to kill until he was caught. Keep in mind, they did not know this man was a suspect in these killings and the vehicle was not registered to him, so there is no "get his tag and get him later".
EXACTLY, thank you. It's easy in the mind of an airmchair quarterback to do that, that make sense to a civilian. But the reality is, the tag may be stolen or fictitious, and the registered owner on that tag is 9 times out of 10, not the one driving the car! Hispanics are the perfect example. I can run one hispanic guy,(won't mention any names) who has 10 cars that come back to him. On the surface you might think, wow this guy is a big drug dealer or something to afford all these cars, when in fact he isn't. He just so happens to be someone who is here legally who has a license, but puts all the vehicles in his name so that all his illegal friends with no drivers license or i.d. can drive around in. The illegals have construction jobs or whatever and just pay the legal guy to go get them a car and he does. Legal guy lies about someone else drving his car and when it's used in something like this, legal guy doesn't know anything about it. And it can't be prooven. True story, just an example.

Also, people who do crimes like this steal cars, it could have been a burglary victims vehicle. So am I just going to stop chasing him and go back to the victim and ask what their involvement was in their own burglary? It's absurd people!! Think before you spout off at the mouth, it's clear that some of you don't have a clue.

With that being said, it's unfortunate and terrible that this thug hit this car and killed these kids. He hit them head on at 90mph. It's a possibility that if he's a serial killer and doesn't want to get caught, then he will do what he has to do to kill himself so that he isn't apprehended, even if that means killing innocent people. But then again, you are expecting cops to be psychic and just know that right? We don't know who it is behind the wheel, but Fed-Up is right, if this guy had gotten away, he more than likely would have killed again, and there is no telling how many would have died at his hand.
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fastsam wrote:
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In 50% of the chases, the person who is being chased is known by police. That cuts half the chases right off the bat. I know you are LEO involved but you have to be able to look out side the box. If it were your loved ones killed because of this you would have a different attitude. Driving over 100 mph is illegal for the police as well as the one being chased. So you might need to get off your high horse of being behind a badge and look at the realities of life.
You are a LIAR. That statistic is totally untrue and we could have done without you pulling it out of your arse. And if it were one of my family members, I would hold the one responsible for their death, the thug that hits him. If he lives, he goes to prison and I would see if I could sue him and take his last penny. YOU are on the high horse to think that any innocent officer should be responsible for some thugs actions. You need to see past the badge and uniform I and wearing and realize that I am a person just like you. That doesn't make me any better than you. But no by attitude would not be any different, so please don't speak for me. I can do that for myself. And as far as cops speeding being illegal, cars equipped with lights and siren are allowed to exceed the speed limit. If they could not, they wouldn't be equipped with those pretty lights, and that loud azz siren. So I wish before you talked any further you would consider not spouting out lies. Your propoganda confuses civilians who seek the truth.
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Dec 2, 2007
 
Typing fast, please forgive my spelling errors that I see in several places listed above.
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Dec 2, 2007
 
Downtowner wrote:
Sad, very sad news. I hope the officers involved are obligated to attend the funeral of these beautiful young ladies. What was so wrong with getting the guys tag number and paying him a visit at home or work place later, all in the interest of public saftey. The impulse to chase, as fatsam alludes to, seems to have it's basis as a visceral reaction rather than clear rational thinking.
I agree these girls lost their lives for no reason, the police could have just gotten the tag number. Police always love to chase chase chase they need to use their heads!

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SIG wrote:
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You are a LIAR. That statistic is totally untrue and we could have done without you pulling it out of your arse. And if it were one of my family members, I would hold the one responsible for their death, the thug that hits him. If he lives, he goes to prison and I would see if I could sue him and take his last penny. YOU are on the high horse to think that any innocent officer should be responsible for some thugs actions. You need to see past the badge and uniform I and wearing and realize that I am a person just like you. That doesn't make me any better than you. But no by attitude would not be any different, so please don't speak for me. I can do that for myself. And as far as cops speeding being illegal, cars equipped with lights and siren are allowed to exceed the speed limit. If they could not, they wouldn't be equipped with those pretty lights, and that loud azz siren. So I wish before you talked any further you would consider not spouting out lies. Your propoganda confuses civilians who seek the truth.
Give it up, Sig. You know that the cops are always going to be the bad guys and the crooks have led misunderstood lives.

Seriously, I do feel for the family of the girls.

Thank you, Sig, for the job that you and others do, with little to no thanks.

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yamaha rider wrote:
<quoted text> I agree these girls lost their lives for no reason, the police could have just gotten the tag number. Police always love to chase chase chase they need to use their heads!
You obviously have ignored the previous posts that state why that method is not effective and often does not work.

You always love to blame blame blame. You need to use your head!
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Give it up, Sig. You know that the cops are always going to be the bad guys and the crooks have led misunderstood lives.
Seriously, I do feel for the family of the girls.
Thank you, Sig, for the job that you and others do, with little to no thanks.
We do it because of people like you., thanks Dunnin. You make it worth all the while.

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Dec 2, 2007
 
I don t think its the Law Enforcement Officer's fault. It is unfortunate that the blame game has to be played out the way it so often is. The simple fact of the matter is, that car chases are dangerous. I feel that there are a lot of cases where the officers involved should stand down, as the risks to the general public from the chase are simply too high. However, by blaming the officers instead of the policies that allow them, or even require them to chase, you simply open the door to all of the hero worshipers to come in, and turn what is an important public issue, into a name calling contest.

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Dec 2, 2007
 
Let's put responsibility where it belongs.

This officer is NOT responsible for the guy passing on a hill.

This act was chosen by the thug, NOT the officer.

Sounds to me that we want to place blame somewhere, and the one to blame is dead, so people choose an alternate source (the officer).

Afterall, you can't sue the deceased.
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Dec 2, 2007
 
SlickMr wrote:
I don t think its the Law Enforcement Officer's fault. It is unfortunate that the blame game has to be played out the way it so often is. The simple fact of the matter is, that car chases are dangerous. I feel that there are a lot of cases where the officers involved should stand down, as the risks to the general public from the chase are simply too high. However, by blaming the officers instead of the policies that allow them, or even require them to chase, you simply open the door to all of the hero worshipers to come in, and turn what is an important public issue, into a name calling contest.
I wish you could hear how many chases are called off between the county and the city. Many more than are continued because of various reasons. Known suspect, too much traffic, etc. The supervisors are very well trained in determing what goes, and what stops. Our main goal is keeping innocent members of the public as safe as possible. Of course, they will never get a bit of credit for that. Hero worshippers? OML, now I've heard it all.
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Sig, you certainly ought to know about the LEO officer's role of killing innocent civilains with an adrenalin rush...you being from McDowell County and all.....

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