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Chicago, IL

#63 Jun 19, 2012
Once upon a time, a bazillion years ago, in a galaxy far, far away, there was an explosion in the great, vast, unknown, vaccum of space that we call a universe. This explosion that would under normal circumstances require, Fuel, Oxygen, and an Ignition source, just happened. It just decided of its own accord to just “BLOW UP”, I think the ancient holy books of scripture AKA science books call it the “BIG BANG”. I think your ancient prophets (Scientists) claim that all just sort of happened. Impossible as it seems, it just happened.

This Huge explosion in the middle of nothing caused planets to form. HOT, MOLTEN, FLAMING, planets. Once again, burning without oxygen in a vaacum. Over bazillions of years they begin to cool and low and behold, miracle of miracles, water which requires HYDROGEN and OXYGEN appears on ONE of them. Once again from nothing. I guess the molecules were just floating around on the hot molten planets and then just happened to meet, combine, and form water. Then before living organisms can ever live on this once hot, molten rock, now covered in water that just appeared from nowhere, oxygen must form to allow plants to form to allow oxygen to be produced so life in mud holes can form. Just curious, which came first? The plant or the oxygen? The water or the oxygen?

Of course this was all before life could exist.
Throughout the Hundred zillions of new life forms now living in these mud holes, a love story happens and one amoeba falls in love with and marries another amoeba. After many Bazillions of attempts, they have a baby that has fins and gills. At first this monstrosity is laughed at by all the other normal amoebas. And he isn’t allowed to play in any of the little amoeba games, because he is just, well, let’s face it, he’s just a bit different. So alone and rejected by all the normal amoebas, he just kind of hangs out there in the mud hole.

Over time though, he finds another mutation just like him. They marry and after another zillion attempts they also have a baby, this time with legs. One day, tired of being confined by all the amoeba rules of the mud hole. Tired of the cramped spaces created by all the failed mutations filling his watery abyss, this new mutation decides he is going out to explore the great unknown, so he uses his new legs and climbs out into the air which just appeared from nowhere.

Generations later, all because two amoebas fell in love another mutation is born. This one just happens to climb trees that just happened to form while he was in the pond. He decides to eat the fruit which also just happened to form in the tree that formed while he was in the pond. And boom here we are today….. We all live happily ever after….

THE END!

All that without any proof other than what men with a Theory say and a computer rendition of what it must have looked like on discovery channel’s dinosaur planet.

And you criticize Christians for believing a FAIRY TALE!!!! RIGHT!!!!!
Concerned Grandparent

Corbin, KY

#64 Jun 19, 2012
maybe wrote:
My bad on misunderstanding the “HOOKER” remark. That made no sense at all. It isn’t a matter of my comprehension. It’s a matter of, I quote your remark….“but then is cocaine, and that my friend is one Hell of a drug; D it makes hookers like you” yes it is your fault you can’t type a logical sentence. Go back and read your rant. What does ”BUT THEN IS COCAINE” mean. I am ASSUMING you meant “SO IS” cocaine. And what in the world does “D it makes hookers like you” mean? Find me one person on the planet that can COMPREHEND that without interpretation!!!!
I’ll reiterate about addiction and habit forming.“HABIT FORMING” leads to “ADDICTION”. All addictions are obviously habits that once formed. Whatever from.
Your character speaks volumes without me saying a word. Please remember that in my original response to your accusation of the “INHUMANE” action of denying sick folks medicinal marijuana. I said that I AGREED WITH YOU!!!! IF it can be guaranteed that it is ONLY medicinal use. You implied that terminally ill people were suffering all over the world because marijuana hasn’t been legalized for them to use in their final days. If that was all you meant, then it would have been left at that, when I said that there were other “MORE POWERFUL” drugs out there for them. And I do agree that if a person is suffering and dying, give them whatever it is that will help them. Cocaine, meth, marijuana, Prescribed drugs. WHATEVER!!!!. That is the humane thing to do.
If you were merely concerned with the suffering of dying folks, you would have stopped there with the more powerful drugs that YOU ADMITTED WERE ALREADY AVAILABLE. BUT you went on about how many they have “KILLED AND TURNED PEOPLE INTO ADDICTS AS OPPOSED TO MARIJUANA”. I thought we were talking about people being denied humane treatment. Sounds like your character was referring to something more than the “SICK” needing help!!! Oh and your “JACK AND SHIT” remark. Quite character revealing of it-self! Then on to how NATURAL marijuana is and healthful it is. Throwing that next line in about how harmful the restaurant food we eat is. Oh and wait,“You can Grow it at home and save a few dollars”! You sound like a late nite infomercial. Or maybe a 19th century snake oil salesman….
Oh, but you did exhibit good character when you said you couldn’t smoke weed because of random drug testing. How inconsiderate of them to require you to be in a sound mind while working… How responsible of you to oblige though. That was mighty white of you. I guess if there were no random drug testing, you are admitting you would just go ahead and light one up at work, right? Who cares about those working around you? SAFETY? SCREW IT!!!! You exemplified your character without any help from me friend.
I do agree that alcohol is also a gateway drug just as Marijuana is. I’m not sure what planet you are living on but most don’t stop at the gateway brother. Most knock down the door and jump in the pool… Of course if everyone on earth were responsible dope smokers like you aspire to be, I am sure there would be no problem.
I would read that but I'm clearly to high at the moment. Cooookaine is a hell of a drug :D
No Disrespect

Somerset, KY

#66 Jun 19, 2012
Concerned Grandparent wrote:
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Always warn of Science and the errors it teaches? Not all believers of Christ are hollow, mindless, and heartless counterfeits? My god!!!!! Do you see what you just did there? Science presents facts. Were as The Bible is based on Faith and Faith alone. Most Christians I've seen on this site and in person have done nothing but spew hate towards gays, or anyone else that didn't see eye to eye on what they believe but yet we're suppose to believe that you come at them with nothing but good intention? That's bullshit and you know it. Anyone with a minimal 3rd grade education can see that. You gonna tell me next that Dinosaurs didn't exist? Perhaps since The Bible is a book I should read Twilight and believe that Vampires are real, and take anything and everything I read to heart and believe its true. If that's the case then I highly believe that Abraham Lincoln was a Vampire Hunter and the meanest one at that.
Science presents observations. From time to time theories have to change because we did not understand what we observed. So, may I venture to say, neither science nor faith are exact.
maybe

Chicago, IL

#67 Jun 20, 2012
Concerned Grandparent wrote:
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I would read that but I'm clearly to high at the moment. Cooookaine is a hell of a drug :D
Oh, that's OK, take your time. I didn't figure you would understand it anyway....

Thanks for confirming my thoughts though....
maybe

Chicago, IL

#68 Jun 20, 2012
No Disrespect wrote:
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Science presents observations. From time to time theories have to change because we did not understand what we observed. So, may I venture to say, neither science nor faith are exact.
I agree!!

That changing of observations is fine as long as those doing the changing aren't trying to achieve a desired result. IE... Pilt Down Man. And also the "GLOBAL WARMING" fiasco a couple of years ago. The UN climate Committee was caught doctering it's tests and the results thereof. Not just accused but CAUGHT!!! As part of their plan, they disabled many of their weather reporting stations. this reduction of stations would increase their abiility to control the results. They closed stations in cooler climates in their normal day to day weather environment. They kept open and even opened new stations in heavily populated areas. Close to power stataions. Close to factories. In warmer environments. All in the name of SCIENCE!!!! Why? So the higher temperatures combined with fewer stations would drive their TEMPERATURE RESULTS up.....Thereby giving them the results they needed to try and achieve the Power they seek. SCIENNCE can be used for evil just quickly as RELIGION can.

Is all science in and of itself harmful? NO. Obviously we all benefit from it daily. Thank God for it. But does it retain ALL THE ANSWERS? NO IT DOES NOT!!!! It has room to be manipulated by MEN WITH AGENDAS the same as Religion.

Neither, when controlled by power hungry men can ever be exact!

“Smokin”

Since: May 12

Strawberry Fields of Dreams

#69 Jun 20, 2012
maybe wrote:
All that without any proof other than what men with a Theory say and a computer rendition of what it must have looked like on discovery channel’s dinosaur planet.
And you criticize Christians for believing a FAIRY TALE!!!! RIGHT!!!!!
Had to shorten your post to fit mine. You are correct in your views. Evolution is as much a religion as Christianity and it is based on faith, not proof because there is none that links man into the picture.

How could so many articles reporting finding the "missing link" in prominent newspapers and magazines be wrong? That is an interesting question that begs for an answer. It turns out that all of the assertions that missing links have been found have been identified as false or discredited. Let's examine the most common ones.

Lucy is the popular name given to the famous fossil skeleton found in 1974 in Ethiopia by American anthropologist Donald Johanson. To many people, Lucy is regarded as some kind of link between ape-like creatures and humans. According to Richard Leakey, who along with Johanson is probably the best-known fossil anthropologist in the world, Lucy's skull is so incomplete that most of it is "imagination made of Plaster of Paris." Leakey even said in 1983 that no firm conclusion could be drawn about what species Lucy belonged to.

Piltdown Man was declared to be 500,000 years old and the missing link. After it became the consensus of the world's greatest authorities that it was the genuine link in the evolution of man, it was found to be a hoax. Someone combined an orangutan jaw with filed teeth with a human skull that had been chemically treated to make it look old.

Neanderthal Man was found in Neander Valley in Germany in 1856 by Johann Fuhlrott. The find consisted of a skull and several bones. He was portrayed to the world as a semi-erect, brutish subhuman creature that was supposed to be the "missing link" in the evolutionary chain to show man evolved from earlier ancestors. It is now believed that these creatures were real people who suffered from rickets, a vitamin D deficiency, and arthritis!

Nebraska Man was found in Nebraska in 1922 by Harold Cook. The find was exactly one tooth! It was immediately declared by H.F. Osborn of the American Museum to be the vaunted missing link! He placed it at the very bottom of man's ancestry! The curator of the American Museum of Natural History and Professor of Paleontology of Columbia University called it "The Million Dollar Tooth"! The London Illustrated Times assigned an imaginative artist to draw the "ape man" that carried this tooth around in his mouth some 6000 centuries ago. During the famous Scopes evolution trial in Dayton, Tennessee, William Jennings Bryan was ridiculed by lawyer Clarence Darrow because Bryan had not heard of the tooth and other facts of evolution by a delegation of authorities, led by Professor H.H.Newman of the University of Chicago. In 1927, to the supreme embarrassment of many, the tooth was discovered to be that of an extinct pig.

How can it be possible that many of our great scientists, our best media sources, and academia are so wrong about the truth of evolution and the facts that support it? The only possible answer is that biological evolution is a devout religious philosophy that must be supported at all costs looking for scientific evidence to support it while ignoring the mountain of evidence supporting the alternative conclusion, special creation.

http://www.allaboutscience.org/missing-link-f...
Concerned Grandparent

Corbin, KY

#70 Jun 21, 2012
maybe wrote:
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Oh, that's OK, take your time. I didn't figure you would understand it anyway....
Thanks for confirming my thoughts though....
After reading it with a sober mind I would have to say that I still don't understand it. Do you think it might have to do with being a product of incest?
Concerned Grandparent

Corbin, KY

#71 Jun 21, 2012
Bull Durham wrote:
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Had to shorten your post to fit mine. You are correct in your views. Evolution is as much a religion as Christianity and it is based on faith, not proof because there is none that links man into the picture.
How could so many articles reporting finding the "missing link" in prominent newspapers and magazines be wrong? That is an interesting question that begs for an answer. It turns out that all of the assertions that missing links have been found have been identified as false or discredited. Let's examine the most common ones.
Lucy is the popular name given to the famous fossil skeleton found in 1974 in Ethiopia by American anthropologist Donald Johanson. To many people, Lucy is regarded as some kind of link between ape-like creatures and humans. According to Richard Leakey, who along with Johanson is probably the best-known fossil anthropologist in the world, Lucy's skull is so incomplete that most of it is "imagination made of Plaster of Paris." Leakey even said in 1983 that no firm conclusion could be drawn about what species Lucy belonged to.
Piltdown Man was declared to be 500,000 years old and the missing link. After it became the consensus of the world's greatest authorities that it was the genuine link in the evolution of man, it was found to be a hoax. Someone combined an orangutan jaw with filed teeth with a human skull that had been chemically treated to make it look old.
Neanderthal Man was found in Neander Valley in Germany in 1856 by Johann Fuhlrott. The find consisted of a skull and several bones. He was portrayed to the world as a semi-erect, brutish subhuman creature that was supposed to be the "missing link" in the evolutionary chain to show man evolved from earlier ancestors. It is now believed that these creatures were real people who suffered from rickets, a vitamin D deficiency, and arthritis!
Nebraska Man was found in Nebraska in 1922 by Harold Cook. The find was exactly one tooth! It was immediately declared by H.F. Osborn of the American Museum to be the vaunted missing link! He placed it at the very bottom of man's ancestry! The curator of the American Museum of Natural History and Professor of Paleontology of Columbia University called it "The Million Dollar Tooth"! The London Illustrated Times assigned an imaginative artist to draw the "ape man" that carried this tooth around in his mouth some 6000 centuries ago. During the famous Scopes evolution trial in Dayton, Tennessee, William Jennings Bryan was ridiculed by lawyer Clarence Darrow because Bryan had not heard of the tooth and other facts of evolution by a delegation of authorities, led by Professor H.H.Newman of the University of Chicago. In 1927, to the supreme embarrassment of many, the tooth was discovered to be that of an extinct pig.
How can it be possible that many of our great scientists, our best media sources, and academia are so wrong about the truth of evolution and the facts that support it? The only possible answer is that biological evolution is a devout religious philosophy that must be supported at all costs looking for scientific evidence to support it while ignoring the mountain of evidence supporting the alternative conclusion, special creation.
http://www.allaboutscience.org/missing-link-f...
Jesus! I haven't read up on this stuff in quite possibly AGES! I wish I could be a part of these findings and what not. Fantastic things happen the world over and only a handful of us get to discover/see it :(
Concerned Grandparent

Corbin, KY

#72 Jun 21, 2012
maybe wrote:
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Is all science in and of itself harmful? NO. Obviously we all benefit from it daily. Thank God for it. But does it retain ALL THE ANSWERS? NO IT DOES NOT!!!! It has room to be manipulated by MEN WITH AGENDAS the same as Religion.
Neither, when controlled by power hungry men can ever be exact!
Good post. I myself would love to have answers but I'm afraid we won't see them in our lifetime. The only thing we have is faith, thoughts, and all that good nonsense to go with. I honestly believe in Science 100% but afraid we'll never get the answers we're looking for.
Concerned Grandparent

Corbin, KY

#73 Jun 21, 2012
maybe wrote:
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Oh, that's OK, take your time. I didn't figure you would understand it anyway....
Thanks for confirming my thoughts though....
You wouldn't understand it either if you were tweaking as bad as I was. I'm still shaking, with a raging hard on, and shouting at things that don't exist. Your post inspired me to go and play Sniper Elite V2 if that makes ya feel any better. I won WW2 and you can thank me for that later.
Jeff Boomhauer

Williamsburg, KY

#74 Jun 21, 2012
The Atheist who believes that there in no God has as much faith as a devout man who believes that there is one. The comedian, George Carlin, was critical of organized religion although he was raised Catholic. He was equally critical of Atheism. Quite often he would be approached by an Atheist who would thank George for carrying the Atheist banner by speaking out against the belief in God. George would then chastize the Atheist because he felt the Atheist's belief that there was no God was just as misguided as the believer's belief that God existed. George would tell Atheists that they had no right to criticize believers because Atheism offers no more proof that God DOESN'T exist than religion offers that He DOES. George was Agnostic and unfortunately was lost when he died.

For those of you who don't believe... I'll pray for you and please know that Jesus loves you as much as he loves me. Also, if you enjoy trying to lead true believers from the faith by spewing lies about God, you must know that the enemy has a grip on you. Satan is real and he lives in the heart of every man. It is up to us to decided how much influence he has over our thoughts and actions. I'll pray for you to have strength.
Concerned Grandparent

Corbin, KY

#75 Jun 22, 2012
Jeff Boomhauer wrote:
The Atheist who believes that there in no God has as much faith as a devout man who believes that there is one. The comedian, George Carlin, was critical of organized religion although he was raised Catholic. He was equally critical of Atheism. Quite often he would be approached by an Atheist who would thank George for carrying the Atheist banner by speaking out against the belief in God. George would then chastize the Atheist because he felt the Atheist's belief that there was no God was just as misguided as the believer's belief that God existed. George would tell Atheists that they had no right to criticize believers because Atheism offers no more proof that God DOESN'T exist than religion offers that He DOES. George was Agnostic and unfortunately was lost when he died.
For those of you who don't believe... I'll pray for you and please know that Jesus loves you as much as he loves me. Also, if you enjoy trying to lead true believers from the faith by spewing lies about God, you must know that the enemy has a grip on you. Satan is real and he lives in the heart of every man. It is up to us to decided how much influence he has over our thoughts and actions. I'll pray for you to have strength.
Who can say anything to anyone who quotes George Carlin? Well played and Touche.
marshall lee kidd

Fairfield, OH

#76 Jun 22, 2012
marshall kidd, where are you, sly dog wants to know.
maybe

Chicago, IL

#77 Jun 22, 2012
Well, I'm still curious as to WHAT BOOKS are missing from the Bible?

If you are talking about the Catholic Apochrypal writings, they were NOT left out. They were never considered INSPIRED by God, by the translators. However, they did feel they were good for history, grammar and a general understanding of the times they were written in. The KJV translators, DID NOT leave them out. They put them in the middle between the OLD Test. and the NEW Test.

Considering that no one outside the Catholic Church believed them inspired of God, later protestant translations completely omitted them.

“Smokin”

Since: May 12

Strawberry Fields of Dreams

#79 Jun 24, 2012
I love the gospel of Thomas and am glad that I could read it even though it isn't allowed to be included in the Bible since it wasn't discovered until much later. You can google "Nag Hamadi" and see and read many more early Christian writings that were discovered in clay jars that were sealed with pitch (tar). Here are some quotes about the gospel of Thomas with the link below.

"There is a growing consensus among scholars that the Gospel of Thomas – discovered over a half century ago in the Egyptian desert – dates to the very beginnings of the Christian era and may well have taken first form before any of the four traditional canonical Gospels. During the first few decades after its discovery several voices representing established orthodox biases argued that the Gospel of Thomas (abbreviated, GTh) was a late-second or third century Gnostic forgery. Scholars currently involved in Thomas studies now largely reject that view, though such arguments will still be heard from orthodox apologists and are encountered in some of the earlier publications about Thomas.

Today most students would agree that the Thomas Gospel has opened a new perspective on the first voice of the Christian tradition. Recent studies centered on GTh have led to a stark reappraisal of the forces and events forming "orthodoxy" during the second and third centuries. But more importantly, the Gospel of Thomas is awakening interest in a forgotten spiritual legacy of Christian culture. The incipit (or "beginning words") of Thomas invite each of us "who has ears to hear" to join in a unique quest:"

These are the hidden words that the living Jesus spoke,
and that Didymos Judas Thomas wrote down. And He said:
"Whoever finds the meaning of these words will not taste death."

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl_thomas.htm
maybe

Chicago, IL

#80 Jun 27, 2012
In reply to the Gospel of Thomas post.

With it being said that the Gospel of Thomas contains 114 attributed to Jesus. Half said to “RESEMBLE” sayings in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The other half added from Gnostic tradition.“PRE-CHRISTIAN” tradition. The Gospel of Thomas is supposedly a story of Jesus life, however it doesn’t mention the Crucifixition, resurrection etc….. Jesus is not depicted as SAVIOR paralleling the Gnostic teaching that “MAN THRU KNOWLEDGE IS HIS OWN SAVIOR”.

Jesus sufferings, death and resurrection were not needed. No half hearted Christian can half heartedly believe that.

Gnostics believe the world is flawed because its God is flawed. They believe God is within man in the form of special knowledge. I'm not sure I would call that a brand of Christianity.

From a website on Gnostic world view we are told “it unites and reconciles the recognitions of Monotheism, polytheism, theism, diesm and pantheism…. Their God is the “TRUE GOD” and never created anything. He emanated all from within himself.

His “MESSENGERS OF LIGHT”(seems that someone else in the Bible had that ability) assist humans in their quest for Gnosis. Gnostics do not look to salvation from sin but rather salvation from ignorance that causes sin.

The importance of Christ was not in his sufferings and death but his life and teachings, and his establishing the mysteries. The salvation experience comes thru knowledge that MUST BE STIMULATED by “MESSENGERS OF LIGHT”, who in addition to their teachings, establish salvific mysteries (Sacraments) which can be administered by apostles of the messengers and their succesors”.

From the webpage Gnosis.org in more than one place Gnosis is described as “SUBTLE”. That should be a warning in itself. Who was it that was “MORE SUBTLE” than any. On that same page a quote “Gnosticism can bring us such truths with a high authority, for it speaks with the voice of the highest part of the “HUMAN—THE SPIRIT” In other words There is NO HOLY SPIRIT, only the spirit of man.

With it being said that The Gospel of Thomas appears to be Gnostic in origin and Gnostic teachings say that God is flawed, the sacrificial work of Jesus was not needed. That salvation comes from within. That the sayings in it “RESEMBLE” Jesus. That salvation comes from within. I would say that is enough for Christians to have NOT added the Gospel of Thomas. It isn’t readily identifiable as to who wrote it and if it is even reliable.

I now understand your question in an earlier post about John the Baptist and his warning to not ADD to nor TAKE away.

I also think it odd that after 2000 years of Christianity, that we have all these NEW GOSPELS that start showing up. That's odd in itself. You mentioned it in your quote "TODAY, most students agree...New Perspective". Just a thought, but I wonder, anything to do with the warning of the last days about

One other thought. Wasn't it KNOWLEDGE that a "MESSENGER OF LIGHT" promised man would make him a god? And wasn't that "Messenger of Light" called "SUBTLE"? HMMMMM!!!!

Although I surely don't agree with modern religion, I also don't think there are any new "REVELATIONS" of God coming down the turnpike.

You can go that route if you like, but I think the tried and true path is enough. It just isn't studied enough.

maybe

Chicago, IL

#81 Jun 27, 2012
My bad, it wasn't JOhn the Baptist. Typo...
Concerned Grandparent

Madisonville, KY

#82 Jun 30, 2012
maybe wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, that's OK, take your time. I didn't figure you would understand it anyway....
Thanks for confirming my thoughts though....
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Wouldn't understand? Does not feel like it make sense? I guess it depends on how much my attention span can hold up at the moment?
Concerned Grandparent

Madisonville, KY

#83 Jun 30, 2012
I have come to realize that Religion, Science, and AC/DC all sound the same in the end. I think from now on I'm just gonna follow the Gospel of Concerned Grandparent and live life to the fullest :D Never know? I could be a prophet!

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