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UVA Researchers Brace for Sequestration Cuts

There are 38 comments on the NBC29 Charlottesville story from Mar 2, 2013, titled UVA Researchers Brace for Sequestration Cuts. In it, NBC29 Charlottesville reports that:

UVA researchers are bracing for between $10 million and $11 million in federal cuts, which could impact as many as 200 jobs.

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Hmmmmm

Bassett, VA

#21 Mar 5, 2013
real central va Marine wrote:
<quoted text>Spoken like a true intellectual elitist.
I'll take it over the misguided hubris of "common-sense" any time.
King Ralph

Lexington, VA

#22 Mar 5, 2013
Common sense told people flipping burgers not to buy a $800,000 house, that they'd eventually get kicked out when they couldn't pay. The academic "experts" said this would lead to a period of growth that would never end.

Academic "experts" backed the Bolshevik Revolution. Until they became inconvenient for the new regime, were lined up against the wall and shot.

Every academic I've ever met has been a naive sad sack who is the first to do something expensive and stupid, like buying a hybrid car, installing solar panels in an area that's cloudy half the year, and who jumps on the new bandwagon of "progress", only to get scammed because of their hilarious inability to recognize that their "logic" is just as biased on human emotion as the biggest redneck. The difference is that the redneck is smart enough not to trust the scammers the second time, and is generally a hundred times more fun to hang out with.
Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#23 Mar 5, 2013
Hmmmmm wrote:
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Holy cow. That's a lot of text that doesn't actually say anything.
Yes, capitalization of the word "Reason" is about the Age of Reason. Our entire culture is founded on basic assumptions and lines of thought that came from the Age of Reason. What that means is that our lives as citizens as we comment on matters of public import such as federal monies and institutions such as higher learning are supposed to be founded on Reason. The assumption of the capacity for Reason is what underlies the entire thing - because it was all born out of the Age of Reason. I assure you that it is not I - apparently - who doesn't know what it means.
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This is a really good post, however, you fail to point out that academia has lead to modern medicine, electricity, traveling to the moon, microwaves, monster trucks, nuclear weapons, and the near destruction of polio. King Ralph does not want to admit that these things are products of academia, as well as the political thought of civil liberties.
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Now, to where I see where we disagree. Communism, as it is know, is a relatively new concept that was brought right after the time of the age of Reason. Should you read Thomas Moore's Utopia, you might see the evolution Marx's thought.(the only reason I can think of why he wasn't burned at the stake for heresy was that he was in England, supported Henry the VIII in his first divorce and marriage to Anne Boleyn, and it came out the same year that the Reformation is recognized to have begun which was during the publishing of Martin Luther's 95 theses.) My best guess is that he saw what the Jacobin's did to France during their revolution's reign of terror and decided that democracy, is mob rules, and decided that as Samuel Clemens’ said, "democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding on what is for dinner." However, in no form, has coerced equality worked, nor has any leader had the integrity that our first president had when as the leader of a standing army, the first in history, gave up control the military to assume power as a civilian leader, and then give that post voluntary as well.
“The majority, oppressing an individual, is guilty of a crime, abuses its strength, and by acting on the law of the strongest breaks up the foundations of society.”
~Thomas Jefferson
What you are clearly referring to is a form of hierarchical communalism, but it was still a governed socially bound construct where might made right. What so many here refer to as communism, ala what Lenin, Stalin, Zedong, Sung, Guevara/Castro, Minh, Pot is not what communism is, or what its goals are. Marx was heavily influenced by the democratic movements during the age of reason,
Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#24 Mar 5, 2013
King Ralph wrote:
Common sense told people flipping burgers not to buy a $800,000 house, that they'd eventually get kicked out when they couldn't pay. The academic "experts" said this would lead to a period of growth that would never end.
Academic "experts" backed the **** Revolution. Until they became inconvenient for the new regime, were lined up against the wall and shot.
Every academic I've ever met has been a naive sad sack who is the first to do something expensive and stupid, like buying a hybrid car, installing solar panels in an area that's cloudy half the year, and who jumps on the new bandwagon of "progress", only to get scammed because of their hilarious inability to recognize that their "logic" is just as biased on human emotion as the biggest redneck. The difference is that the redneck is smart enough not to trust the scammers the second time, and is generally a hundred times more fun to hang out with.
That's interesting, in order to get a job at a bank you have to get an education, to which you learn how much people can afford to borrow and how much you lend to. People that flip burgers learn to work on making freedom fries, how to flip burgers, how to mop floors, how to clean toilets, and none of that is dishonorable work. None of them are finance majors, however, speaking strictly from an objectivist point of view, if it benefits them, then why not? So, ultimately, who is the bigger idiot, those who lend those who make $8/hr $800,000 dollars knowing they'll never be able to pay it back, or those who took the money and lived like kings for the year or two that they could?
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Here, I'll give you an experiment, a case study if you will. Why don't you take $10,000 dollars and go down to the downtown mall and ask one of the so called "free range democrats" if they want to borrow it at favorable or low interest rates. I bet you get a taker. Then wait for them to pay you back, in the meantime, tell us how it goes, and we'll all tell you what an enterprising young man you are... or not. Chances are you're going to be called a moron, and not by the altruistically naïve academics...okay, yes, probably by them, too. Now think about that analogy.
Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#25 Mar 5, 2013
King Ralph wrote:
Common sense told people flipping burgers not to buy a $800,000 house, that they'd eventually get kicked out when they couldn't pay. The academic "experts" said this would lead to a period of growth that would never end.
Academic "experts" backed the **** Revolution. Until they became inconvenient for the new regime, were lined up against the wall and shot.
Every academic I've ever met has been a naive sad sack who is the first to do something expensive and stupid, like buying a hybrid car, installing solar panels in an area that's cloudy half the year, and who jumps on the new bandwagon of "progress", only to get scammed because of their hilarious inability to recognize that their "logic" is just as biased on human emotion as the biggest redneck. The difference is that the redneck is smart enough not to trust the scammers the second time, and is generally a hundred times more fun to hang out with.
btw, academics by and large can afford it... don't be hatin hater.

http://tchester.org/znet/facts/income_by_educ...
Hmmmmm

Bassett, VA

#26 Mar 5, 2013
Dude wrote:
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Now, to where I see where we disagree. Communism, as it is know, is a relatively new concept that was brought right after the time of the age of Reason. Should you read Thomas Moore's Utopia, you might see the evolution Marx's thought.... My best guess is that he saw what the Jacobin's did to France during their revolution's reign of terror and decided that democracy, is mob rules, and decided that as Samuel Clemens’ said, "democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding on what is for dinner." However, in no form, has coerced equality worked
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The reference was actually to what Marx called "primitive communism." At some point one just gets to semantics, but Marx's backdrop was basically the stereotypical small scale hunting/gathering or horticultural society. Its called communism because no "one" owns the "means of production." I.e. the land that people inhabit and its resources are not under any formal ownership by specific people. All of them use it and have equal access to it. The idea of private ownership is often one that is not even understood to make much sense.(The hunters out there can think about how nice it would be to just go out into the woods without worrying about the posted signs or property lines or whatever).

This "primitive communism" is not weird or rare or somehow ancient "caveman" history. Its been the norm for humans. Most don't see that b/c they've learned Western history, told by Westerners, in order to make sense out of Westerners.

The amount of historical and cross-cultural variation is tremendous, so there's little way to make any completely generalizable statements. But these kinds of cultures were highly egalitarian. Part of the reason, of course, is that there simply isn't all that much material "wealth" to begin with, and people didn't spend any of their time or energies or desires on trying to accumulate it. But its also the case that many small scale societies do have various forms of coerced egalitarianism. Its not from having a formal, centralized "government" as we know it. We are really talking about anarchy - as in the lack of formal, hierarchical authority. It just came from cultural stuff. e.g. in many cultures, if you get wealthier than your neighbors then you are respected. But if you get TOO MUCH wealthier than your neighbors you get accused of witchcraft or sorcery.(sound familiar?) The penalties include things like burning your crops - which has this funny way of making you less wealthy & over time maintaining some degree of equality.

In any case, in the context of Marx coerced equality is irrelevant. He had no such ideas. As far as he was concerned the only reason there even was a state was to protect the property rights of those who controlled the economics. As control was equalized he (mistakenly) thought the state would just wither to nothing for lack of any real function. None of that matters much b/c he spent about 99% of his time analyzing capitalism and almost none of it discussing socialism or communism. But his basic idea of communism was not that there is some "state" that "coerces equality." Unbeknownst to populations of people whose minds (whether they know it or not) have been shaped by what Marx-ISTS did, communism for Marx was radically egalitarian just because no one got to hold control of the means of controlling others. It was really radical grassroots control of the only thing that matters - economic resources.

What people today call "Communism" is what I (among others) refer to as bureaucratic socialism, but you can just as easily call it hierarchical socialism. The semantics don't matter much. Its a terrible idea. The most important stuff of life is basically economic - how people get their means of subsistence - and political - who controls the guns and gets to make the rules. In bureaucratic/hierarchical socialism you put all of that under the same organization. Terrible idea.
Hmmmmm

Bassett, VA

#27 Mar 5, 2013
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
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What you are clearly referring to is a form of hierarchical communalism, but it was still a governed socially bound construct where might made right. What so many here refer to as communism, ala what Lenin, Stalin, Zedong, Sung, Guevara/Castro, Minh, Pot is not what communism is, or what its goals are. Marx was heavily influenced by the democratic movements during the age of reason,
Sorry, I think I misread this part of the post when I replied. Anyway - the idea should be clear.

Of course, I actually don't have much interest in discussing Marx or communism or whatever. King Ralph brought it up, but like the rest of it, it doesn't seem like he has any ideas about anything.
Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#28 Mar 5, 2013
Hmmmmm wrote:
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Sorry, I think I misread this part of the post when I replied. Anyway - the idea should be clear.
Of course, I actually don't have much interest in discussing Marx or communism or whatever. King Ralph brought it up, but like the rest of it, it doesn't seem like he has any ideas about anything.
Yeah, you had me scratching my head. It's a scary word, and most don't understand what the goals were, they just understand what they've been taught by the idiot box.
sez you

Charlottesville, VA

#29 Mar 5, 2013
Hmmmmm wrote:
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Really? And just how much do you really know about what these ventures are?
This is as perplexing as cville mom's comment. I'd like to hear the full accounting of the inefficiencies and of the projects and the reasons that they amount to zip.
If you folks had been in charge of knowledge production all along, Isaac Newton would have spent all of his time making apple pie and Einstein would have never made it out of a patent office.
So anyone who would like to decide, a priori, that all of this stuff is wasted time and money should fill in the blanks. Specify exactly who is doing what, why it is being done, and then explain why it is "inefficient" or a waste or meaningless or whatever.
Being anti-intellectual isn't a virtue.
So what monumental feat of scientific discovery has UVA made in the last decade? none. UVA is good for generating building projects as a result of an alumni looking for tax write offs but an educational institution it ain't. Only if you want to be an arch-e-tec.
Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#30 Mar 5, 2013
sez you wrote:
<quoted text>So what monumental feat of scientific discovery has UVA made in the last decade? none. UVA is good for generating building projects as a result of an alumni looking for tax write offs but an educational institution it ain't. Only if you want to be an arch-e-tec.
This guy started his academic at UVA, he is considered one of the top 35 computer scientists in the world.


Last year UVA medical had a break through in cancer research:
http://news.virginia.edu/content/uva-discover...
sez you

Charlottesville, VA

#31 Mar 5, 2013
AS far as I'm concerned UVA still looking for the value of PI.
Hmmmmm

Bassett, VA

#32 Mar 5, 2013
sez you wrote:
<quoted text>So what monumental feat of scientific discovery has UVA made in the last decade? none. UVA is good for generating building projects as a result of an alumni looking for tax write offs but an educational institution it ain't. Only if you want to be an arch-e-tec.
As a more general addendum to Dude's post, you started by making a claim. I asked you to give a reasoning for it by explaining the basis of the claim. My guess is that you don't have anything.

There are thousands of colleges/universities in the US and hundreds of thousands of faculty. Most faculty do research. Most of that stuff will not, in any individual way add up to "monumental feat[s] of scientific discovery." It doesn't work that way. The basic foundation of our society - from its technology to its political economy - is knowledge. The centers of knowledge production are universities, and most of it is produced incrementally in & around things that seem obscure to people who don't do the work.

Just because you don't really know what goes on in universities isn't a good reason to write it all off.
Dada--

AOL

#33 Mar 5, 2013
well, another example of how Americans can't seem to find common interests and purposes and would rather fight with each other than figure out how to solve the overwhelming problems that face us. Anti intellectuals and intellectuals fighting each other "ezra pound and ts elliot fighting in the captains tower, while calypso singers laugh at them and fishermen hold flowers" DYLAN- Desolation row
sez you

Charlottesville, VA

#34 Mar 5, 2013
Sorry, but if you want to dumb down Cornell, MIT, University of Chicago and Stanford, Princeton, and some others, fine. you believe what you will.
Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#35 Mar 5, 2013
sez you wrote:
Sorry, but if you want to dumb down Cornell, MIT, University of Chicago and Stanford, Princeton, and some others, fine. you believe what you will.
That does not follow, or I'm missing something.
Boodreau

Saraland, AL

#36 Mar 5, 2013
sez you wrote:
Sorry, but if you want to dumb down Cornell, MIT, University of Chicago and Stanford, Princeton, and some others, fine. you believe what you will.
Dude listed 2 examples for UVA. Please list 1 monumental scientific discovery at each university you named to show you are not just spouting bullcrap
Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#37 Mar 5, 2013
Dada-- wrote:
well, another example of how Americans can't seem to find common interests and purposes and would rather fight with each other than figure out how to solve the overwhelming problems that face us. Anti intellectuals and intellectuals fighting each other "ezra pound and ts elliot fighting in the captains tower, while calypso singers laugh at them and fishermen hold flowers" DYLAN- Desolation row
Right, in the end the ship sinks.

“Our wretched species is so made that those who walk on the well-trodden path always throw stones at those who are showing a new road.”
~ Voltaire
Boodreau

Saraland, AL

#38 Mar 5, 2013
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Right, in the end the ship sinks.
“Our wretched species is so made that those who walk on the well-trodden path always throw stones at those who are showing a new road.”
~ Voltaire
I don't think sez you is going to provide examples. By the way enjoy your posts

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