Montcalm Co. animal debate continues

Montcalm Co. animal debate continues

There are 48 comments on the WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan story from Mar 25, 2009, titled Montcalm Co. animal debate continues. In it, WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan reports that:

A citizens advisory committee meeting this hour in Montcalm County could make a recommendation on whether to continue the county's association with a controversial animal research company.

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jbristol

Idlewild, MI

#1 Mar 25, 2009
I am curious as to why the county has lost funding for low cost spay and nueter, declined a crematorium that was offered as a donation for this contract. They say they are not "for sale" but both those things would serve the county a great deal more then what they are currently getting with this contract. They should be listening to the people. They could even offer creamatorium services to the public for a cost and that money could be used for improvements to the shelter after operating cost.
I just don't understand why there is so much to think about.
Losing the funding for low cost spay and neutering is only going to increase the number of animals that find themselves in the shelter.

Just dont understand why this is such a difficult decision to make
GR Animal Lover

AOL

#2 Mar 25, 2009
I dont either! Its a no brainer to most of us, and with all the opposition I cant even imagine the commissioners would even think of renewing that contract. Many years ago things were done differently, but with progress we learn changes are necessary. The way to deal with unwanted animals now involves education, spay/neuter, working with rescue groups, finding ways to increase adoption such as on line and taking pets to pet stores for adoption days, humane injection for those that are not adoptable for various reasons. The Montcalm County shelter has been given advice on how to improve, and its time they follow up on it. The commissioners need to look at the bad picture this is giving the world (yes the world with the internet) regarding Montcalm County. They have enough issues to deal with, and its high time to send Woudenberg packing!!! Hes made a fortune off the county, and caused endless suffering to more animals that we can imagine. This man is pure evil, and to keep rewarding him with is contract is just dispeciable.
kittykat in kentwood

United States

#3 Mar 25, 2009
It is time that the Commissioners realize they work for their constituents and NOT the other way around. At every turn, they have asked for solutions and the committee (and coordinating rescues, volunteers, donors, etc.) have given a slew of them. For them to disregard the findings and proposals of this committee will fly in the face of everything about a democratic society.

Not one (uninvolved) citizen has come forward at any of these meetings in favor of keeping this contract, so exactly who are they purporting to represent anyway? It is not "we" set the rules and then "you" citizens have to convince us otherwise. That's completely backwards and anyone who doesn't vote no on the contract should be recalled because they obviously don't understand the job they were elected to do.

April 13 is a pivotal day for the animals. PLEASE don't assume the contract will just be voted down. We need all the support there we can get so please show up if you are able to. This nightmare won't be over until the "NO" Votes are finally in the majority!

Since: Nov 08

Grand Rapids, Michigan

#4 Mar 25, 2009
Is the research company lining the pockets of the board? I almost think so because they won;t do away with the contract.
a R AND R neighbor

Granbury, TX

#5 Mar 25, 2009
It sounds GREAT. Let's hope there will be NO MORE R&R Research. This should have been stopped years ago.
GR Animal Lover

AOL

#6 Mar 25, 2009
Its obvious to anyone with half a brain that Woudenberg has the commissioners in his pocket! I grew up in Montcalm County, and I know the people can be very hard headed, and resistant to change, but this is just pure insanity. I agree with Kittykat that these people work for the citizens not the other way around. At times it appears they work for Woudenberg!!! If this contract is renewed, I for one will be doing everything I can to find out whats really going on, and I think they have plenty to hide.
Game Ready

Thermal, CA

#7 Mar 25, 2009
I am from Stanton and they need to listen to the people or the ones that aren't will not be commissioners again.. ever. This is a very important issue to the people and I cannot believe it has gone on all of these years.
Joe

United States

#8 Mar 26, 2009
Patrick Q. Carr is a piece of work! It seems no plan or presentation satisfies him unless it involves Jim Woudenberg working with the county.

What interest does Pat have in Woudenberg that allows him to disregard R&R's many USDA violations, the very loud public outcry saying, "VOTE NO", the animal control director's recommendation to stop pound release, the Ad Hoc Committee's recommendation to stop pound release, and the introduction of House Bill 4663 to outlaw pound release in MI?
Pat do you work for Woudenberg or the county? Silly question obviously you work for Woudenberg, and he must be paying you a ton to make such a complete and utter fool of yourself.

IF ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS VOTE YES ON RENEWING A CONTRACT THAT ISN'T NEEDED BY THE COUNTY, THEY NEED TO BE INVESTIGATED AND RECALLED.

Google Michigan Recall Procedures, Pat ran unopposed so it shouldn't be hard to get enough signatures to oust him.
Support HB4663

United States

#9 Mar 26, 2009
Michigan House Bill 4663 will eliminate pound seizure in Michigan animal shelters.
Pound seizure is the practice of allowing shelter cats and dogs to be used in experimental research. HB 4663, called "Koda's Law," is named after a shelter dog that, instead of being placed for adoption, was sold to a USDA Class B Dealer (animal dealer) and resold to the University of Michigan, where he was used in the university's outdated Advanced Trauma Life Support Class, and then euthanized. Koda's former family believed that taking him to a shelter would allow him another opportunity to find a home and did not know he would be used in a research experiment. Sadly, this happens to far too many shelter cats and dogs in Michigan.
Companion animals depend on humans for their safety and well-being. Tragically, this dependency is betrayed when shelters (county commissioners) allow these pets to be taken by Class B Dealers for resale to research. When Class B dealers and research facilities can obtain cats and dogs -- like Koda -- from animal shelters, it diminishes the shelters' credibility and purpose, and betrays public trust.
Currently only 4 county animal control shelters practice pound seizure (Gratiot, Mecosta, Montcalm and Osceola).
angrykitty

Grand Rapids, MI

#10 Mar 26, 2009
During the meeting, Carr brought up the fact that the committee did not provide evidence to support that euthanasia was a better alternative than being sold for research. Guess what, that is not the central issue Carr... it is not for you to decide that issue!
The purpose of the committee was to see if a contract with R&R was needed. The committee proved it was not. End of story. Objective of committee met. Game over.
Joe

United States

#11 Mar 26, 2009
angrykitty wrote:
During the meeting, Carr brought up the fact that the committee did not provide evidence to support that euthanasia was a better alternative than being sold for research. Guess what, that is not the central issue Carr... it is not for you to decide that issue!
The purpose of the committee was to see if a contract with R&R was needed. The committee proved it was not. End of story. Objective of committee met. Game over.
Carr is committing political suicide while looking for any excuse he can find to renew Woudenberg's contract. Carr has made it clear he works for Woudenberg not the county.
Animal Girl

United States

#12 Mar 26, 2009
angrykitty wrote:
During the meeting, Carr brought up the fact that the committee did not provide evidence to support that euthanasia was a better alternative than being sold for research. Guess what, that is not the central issue Carr... it is not for you to decide that issue!
The purpose of the committee was to see if a contract with R&R was needed. The committee proved it was not. End of story. Objective of committee met. Game over.
I think Carr is trying to decide what form of euthanasia is most humane because of his deep love of animals----------sorry for the delay. Had to get up off the floor, where I fell from laughing so hard. The committee DID meet its objective. Let's HOPE it is the end of the story.(Bet it is not - some people just dont learn.)
Animal Girl

United States

#13 Mar 26, 2009
Joe wrote:
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Carr is committing political suicide while looking for any excuse he can find to renew Woudenberg's contract. Carr has made it clear he works for Woudenberg not the county.
Please Mike Cox, Attorney General, SOM - does it appear that there could be some things here that need investigating? Just asking.
Animal Girl

United States

#14 Mar 26, 2009
Hey folks - here is a funny one in the Greenville Daily News - the largest paper in Montcalm County.
"I hope the county continues to release animals for lifesaving research despite the opinion of several (several?? LOL)out of county residents. I'm fighting for saving lives! That's what these animals do." per R&R Research owner Jim Woudenberg as quoted in the Daily News
- this statement will either make you laugh, cry, or vomit.

“Don't touch my junk man!”

Since: Nov 07

Middle of the Mitten, Michigan

#15 Mar 26, 2009
Animal Girl wrote:
Hey folks - here is a funny one in the Greenville Daily News - the largest paper in Montcalm County.
"I hope the county continues to release animals for lifesaving research despite the opinion of several (several?? LOL)out of county residents. I'm fighting for saving lives! That's what these animals do." per R&R Research owner Jim Woudenberg as quoted in the Daily News
- this statement will either make you laugh, cry, or vomit.
The Daily News makes me do all three whenever I open it-heavier on the third option moreso than the first two.

The committee has decided. The constituents have spoken. If our commissioners are tired of the attention they're getting now they will be amazed what happens if they ignore the sentiment of the community and surrounding areas.

In the meantime email your representatives and ask them to support the bill that would make pound seizure a thing of the past.
angrykitty

Grand Rapids, MI

#16 Mar 26, 2009
Animal Girl wrote:
Hey folks - here is a funny one in the Greenville Daily News - the largest paper in Montcalm County.
"I hope the county continues to release animals for lifesaving research despite the opinion of several (several?? LOL)out of county residents. I'm fighting for saving lives! That's what these animals do." per R&R Research owner Jim Woudenberg as quoted in the Daily News
- this statement will either make you laugh, cry, or vomit.
Woudenberg has never once disclosed how many of the animals went to this "noble" cause of life saving research. He didn't produce any documentation nor would he answer direct questions about his business. If he is so proud of being a part of this "life saving research" brag about it, produce documentation, produce a shred of evidence that human-kind has been improved in any way, shape or form from his business.
According to the January meeting, UofM took less than 25 dogs in 2008. Woudenberg didn't make $250K off of the sale of 25 dogs... so where are the rest of the animals going....hmmm? Probably not to the "nobel" cause of "lifesaving research"; more likely just to the highest bidder.
Last week there was a pit bull at the shelter that was deemed too agressive to be adopted, but Woudenberg took it. Now tell me, what research facility wants an aggressive pit bull? None that i can think of; but there are plenty of underground dog fighting arenas that would find that a mighty tasty specimen!
JoyceM

Eastpointe, MI

#17 Mar 26, 2009
Although I am not a Montcalm county resident I commend and applaude those on the panel who have the common sense to advise discontinuing Montcalm's relationship with R&R!

One can only hope that the citizens of Montcalm will also end Carr's reign of terror come election time.
Helen

Edison, NJ

#18 Mar 26, 2009
angrykitty wrote:
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Woudenberg has never once disclosed how many of the animals went to this "noble" cause of life saving research. He didn't produce any documentation nor would he answer direct questions about his business. If he is so proud of being a part of this "life saving research" brag about it, produce documentation, produce a shred of evidence that human-kind has been improved in any way, shape or form from his business.
According to the January meeting, UofM took less than 25 dogs in 2008. Woudenberg didn't make $250K off of the sale of 25 dogs... so where are the rest of the animals going....hmmm? Probably not to the "nobel" cause of "lifesaving research"; more likely just to the highest bidder.
Last week there was a pit bull at the shelter that was deemed too agressive to be adopted, but Woudenberg took it. Now tell me, what research facility wants an aggressive pit bull? None that i can think of; but there are plenty of underground dog fighting arenas that would find that a mighty tasty specimen!
I posted information on a different thread about Woudenberg and the pit bull fetish he has. He takes a lot of pit bulls (none of which have to be spayed or neutered I might add). I wouldn't put it past the man to sell those poor dogs for bait or for breeding. I mean, I'm just sayin' since he refuses to disclose what he actually does with most of the dogs he takes.
Animal Girl

Muskegon, MI

#19 Mar 26, 2009
Helen wrote:
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I posted information on a different thread about Woudenberg and the pit bull fetish he has. He takes a lot of pit bulls (none of which have to be spayed or neutered I might add). I wouldn't put it past the man to sell those poor dogs for bait or for breeding. I mean, I'm just sayin' since he refuses to disclose what he actually does with most of the dogs he takes.
Once again - Please Mr Cox - visit Montcalm County & Howard City.

“Ask me anything!”

Since: Apr 08

Montcalm County, Michigan

#20 Mar 26, 2009
I seriously hope that the majority of the commissioners see that it's got to be over and done with. There is NO reason whatsoever to keep this contract in place. The proposal put forth by the committee was reasonable and very workable. There will be no additional cost to the county and every reason to believe that there will be additional revenue through increased adoptions. Now get your heads out and get rid of this contract! To do anything else will make those of you who vote to keep it look totally guilty of having a stake in it somewhere, and I believe worthy of an Attorney General's investigation.

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