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Delbert Wilkins

Clifton, NJ

#1 Jun 1, 2009
anyone know when it is being built? I want to know where the Jerry Springer brigade are going to stay.
Publius

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#2 Jun 1, 2009
Delbert Wilkins wrote:
anyone know when it is being built? I want to know where the Jerry Springer brigade are going to stay.
My guess is after the Trump Parc is at least 75% sold and occupied.

Not clear though, that the guests will stay in Stamford. One of the attractions of appearing on the Springer Show is a paid visit to "the big city" (Chicago to mid-westerners and southerners). I'm not sure an all expense paid visit to Stamford has the same draw. So maybe they'll end up putting up the guests in NYC and bringing them to Stamford in a limo.
Sally Jesse Raphael

Brooklyn, NY

#3 Jun 1, 2009
Delbert Wilkins wrote:
anyone know when it is being built? I want to know where the Jerry Springer brigade are going to stay.
The Springerites will probably stay at the Motel 8 on Grenhart or the Stamford Motor Inn on the eastside. Jerry may be able to pick up some future guests at these establishments.
I think the city should set up some trailers at the sewage treatment plant to make Jerry's guests feel at home. Of course they would be charged a nominal fee.
Goodnight and God Bless
Butterman

Clifton, NJ

#4 Jun 5, 2009
they could eat at the local spider cafe. seriously though does anyone know whne the first show is on? I might go along for the experience
Bob Monkhouse

Clifton, NJ

#5 Jun 5, 2009
in 2 weeks I think. When will the Trump be finished?
Frijoles

Hebron, CT

#6 Jun 5, 2009
Publius wrote:
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So maybe they'll end up putting up the guests in NYC and bringing them to Stamford in a limo.
You mean they will not be spending their money in Stamford? I am shocked and depressed!
Publius

AOL

#7 Jun 5, 2009
Frijoles wrote:
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You mean they will not be spending their money in Stamford? I am shocked and depressed!
That was a maybe. But even if it works out that way, there is plenty of money that will be spent in Stamford. TV productions employ a lot of people and spend liberally.
Bob Monkhouse

Clifton, NJ

#8 Jun 5, 2009
With all the bars now open in Stamford I would have thought a night at the Marriott + a bar crawl down summer street would not be a bad evening
Ted Rogers

Clifton, NJ

#9 Jun 5, 2009
3,2,1 the mob are on their way. god help us in stamford
Les Dawson

Clifton, NJ

#10 Jun 5, 2009
as long as they bring their check book and pen I don't mind- let them spend their money
Bruces Bonus

Clifton, NJ

#11 Jun 5, 2009
why do they have to import the audience? why don't they allow some locals to attend?
Suitcase

Brooklyn, NY

#12 Jun 5, 2009
Seriously, remember that within the three "round buildings" downtown(St.John Towers) live folks that were probably displaced by Urban Renewal the first go-round. Back in the 60s, when a new Route 1 was juggernauted through the multi-family neighborhood southeast of Atlantic Square, those people displaced by that project had to be housed SOMEWHERE. Many of them took up residence in St. John Towers, a complex with one pedestrian bridge spanning that same Rte. 1 - you guessed it - Tresser Blvd.

Now they will have to move again so millionaires can occupy the Ritz Carlton or the condo tower! Ain't Stamford great? ;) Economic segregation - moving backwards for <some> people!
Publius

AOL

#13 Jun 5, 2009
Suitcase wrote:
Seriously, remember that within the three "round buildings" downtown(St.John Towers) live folks that were probably displaced by Urban Renewal the first go-round. Back in the 60s, when a new Route 1 was juggernauted through the multi-family neighborhood southeast of Atlantic Square, those people displaced by that project had to be housed SOMEWHERE. Many of them took up residence in St. John Towers, a complex with one pedestrian bridge spanning that same Rte. 1 - you guessed it - Tresser Blvd.
Now they will have to move again so millionaires can occupy the Ritz Carlton or the condo tower! Ain't Stamford great? ;) Economic segregation - moving backwards for <some> people!
Let's clarify a couple of issues for you:

1. The people who were displaced by Urban Renewal didn't necessarily go directly into St John's because St. John's was built well after their homes were taken down. I'm not clear on how many of the current residents of St Johns were displaced by urban renewal.

2. The homes that were taken down were not subsidized. St John's Towers was subsidized, but not forever. The time allotted for the subsidy has elapsed. The Towers cannot continue to be available at reduced cost without new sources of revenue. Without the subsidy it is likely many of the existing tenants could not afford to remain there.

3. The Ritz is not going to displace anyone in St. John's Towers. In fact, St. John's Towers residents will benefit from the Ritz because part of the land value will be used to subsidize the housing units at St Johns.

4. One of the three existing towers will be taken down, but NOT the one where the Ritz is being built. The Tower that is scheduled to be taken down is the one on the north side of Tresser in back of St John's RC Church. A mixed use project has been approved for that site, facing Washington Blvd, which will also cover the parking lot there now owned by St Johns Church. Again, the value of the property will subsidize both the two remaining towers AND St. Johns Church, which owns the parking lot.

The Ritz is proposed to be built on the south side of Tresser facing Atlantic St, and including the old post office site. The old post office building will be preserved as part of the Ritz.

So, in fact, the development proposals are both very positive for the residents of St Johns Towers, as they will enable the project to remain subsidized. And the Towers, which were once the only large scale housing in the downtown area, and lacked good neighborhood shopping, WILL be surrounded by high rise, high income residences, which will also attract and support better retail in the area. Many new residents will be added to downtown, and increased density of residents will add to the sense of safety in the area. The old post office building, an architectural classic, will be preserved, and there will be considerable tax revenue from high value residences with few children.

All in all, a "win-win" for Stamford....assuming the two new projects get built.
Frijoles

Hebron, CT

#14 Jun 6, 2009
"assuming the two projects get built"?

I can sell you this great hole in the ground, at a "special" price, if you are ever interested. It is near by, and really convenient to restaurants and shopping.
Suitcase

Brooklyn, NY

#15 Jun 6, 2009
Frijoles wrote:
"assuming the two projects get built"?
I can sell you this great hole in the ground, at a "special" price, if you are ever interested. It is near by, and really convenient to restaurants and shopping.
An undisclosed NY developer has owned Parcel 38 since the Clinton days, and that is why it is still vacant. And with the economy it looks like it will stay that way indefinitely.
Suitcase

Brooklyn, NY

#16 Jun 6, 2009
Publius wrote:
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Let's clarify a couple of issues for you:
1. The people who were displaced by Urban Renewal didn't necessarily go directly into St John's because St. John's was built well after their homes were taken down. I'm not clear on how many of the current residents of St Johns were displaced by urban renewal.
2. The homes that were taken down were not subsidized. St John's Towers was subsidized, but not forever. The time allotted for the subsidy has elapsed. The Towers cannot continue to be available at reduced cost without new sources of revenue. Without the subsidy it is likely many of the existing tenants could not afford to remain there.
3. The Ritz is not going to displace anyone in St. John's Towers. In fact, St. John's Towers residents will benefit from the Ritz because part of the land value will be used to subsidize the housing units at St Johns.
4. One of the three existing towers will be taken down, but NOT the one where the Ritz is being built. The Tower that is scheduled to be taken down is the one on the north side of Tresser in back of St John's RC Church. A mixed use project has been approved for that site, facing Washington Blvd, which will also cover the parking lot there now owned by St Johns Church. Again, the value of the property will subsidize both the two remaining towers AND St. Johns Church, which owns the parking lot.
The Ritz is proposed to be built on the south side of Tresser facing Atlantic St, and including the old post office site. The old post office building will be preserved as part of the Ritz.
So, in fact, the development proposals are both very positive for the residents of St Johns Towers, as they will enable the project to remain subsidized. And the Towers, which were once the only large scale housing in the downtown area, and lacked good neighborhood shopping, WILL be surrounded by high rise, high income residences, which will also attract and support better retail in the area. Many new residents will be added to downtown, and increased density of residents will add to the sense of safety in the area. The old post office building, an architectural classic, will be preserved, and there will be considerable tax revenue from high value residences with few children.
All in all, a "win-win" for Stamford....assuming the two new projects get built.
It sounds like a pipe dream, Pub - but please provide some sources for this informtion.

Incidentally, I walk to and from work underneath one of those towers daily, and there is a lot of excavation & pipe-laying going on under the deck between the two rounds south of Tresser.

When you consider these two highrises will be around 40 storys tall, they will also have to be of a certain width to be able to stand up. One will abut the rear of the P.O. and will displace the old Redman hall building(which looks like a daycare occupies it now).

The other highrise will occupy the southwest corner of Atlantic & Tresser, and together they will form a "L shaped complex with the P.O. in the hollow of the L.

That's going to take up a LOT of space, Pub, and if the St. John Tower nearest the P.O. remains, the occupants of the Ritz and of that Tower will literally be handing each other the Grey Poupon - catch me?

I have it on good authority that ONE St. John Tower will remain - the one on the southeast corner of Washington Blvd & Tresser. The sole tower nearest the YMCA, as you correctly pointed out, will be replaced by "Tresser Square" - the mixed-use you mentioned.

That leaves TWO St. Johns worth of tenants to be re-relocated. And I never said ALL of the folks displaced by URC lived in those Towers, but many still do.

Face it, Publius - Stamford does not want "those" people downtown, and they haven't for sometime. Six-figures & up only, need apply and that's per-PERSON, not per-capita.
Publius

AOL

#17 Jun 6, 2009
Frijoles wrote:
"assuming the two projects get built"?
I can sell you this great hole in the ground, at a "special" price, if you are ever interested. It is near by, and really convenient to restaurants and shopping.
One property not being developed does not mean no properties will ever be developed. Since the hole in the ground has been there, many developments have been initiated, proceeded and been built.

No question current economic circumstances in the WORLD (this isn't about Stamford) are challenging, and there will be delays in building or even completing some buildings that have been approved by the land use boards.

But recessions don't last forever, and when this one ends, some developments that have been temporarily delayed will likely go forward. Some may not. But the "hole in the ground" is more the exception than the rule, and flogging it becomes a bit tiresome.
Yes Indeed

AOL

#18 Jun 6, 2009
FYI...the 'hole in the ground' is controlled by the Milstein's of NYC. Can anyone say 'eminent domain'?
Suitcase

Brooklyn, NY

#19 Jun 6, 2009
Yes Indeed wrote:
FYI...the 'hole in the ground' is controlled by the Milstein's of NYC. Can anyone say 'eminent domain'?
"Eminent domain" doesn't exist anymore. It's a frickin' FREE-FOR-ALL now!

A private developer with enough financial and political clout can come in and promise a town a tax stream to the Moon, buy the local highschool, raze it and put in a THEME PARK - bwahahahahhahh!!

This IS America - land of OPPORTUNITY, right??

(I'm Keith Olbermann) ;)
Publius

AOL

#20 Jun 6, 2009
Yes Indeed wrote:
FYI...the 'hole in the ground' is controlled by the Milstein's of NYC. Can anyone say 'eminent domain'?
For there to be a taking by "eminent domain" there has to be a recognized government value or alternative use for the property.

Or do you believe government should just confiscate any property that its owner chooses not to develop? And if the City did take it, what would it do with it? And where would it get the money to pay for it?

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