Amber Alert Issued for Abducted Stafford Woman - wtvr

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An Amber Alert has been issued for a Stafford woman who was abducted this morning in broad daylight. Full Story
John Q Public

Glen Allen, VA

#42 May 30, 2010
swe wrote:
Why are these slugs just watching this happen?****? I have a concealed weapon and would have ended this pretty quickly.
WOW!! You must be VERY careful in a situation like this. As it turned out, we didn't know the whole story. If you had went in with guns-a-blazing, YOU would have been the one looking through bars today. As I said in another thread, Someone's life MUST be in danger for deadly force to be justified in any way. None of the people in the clip appeared to have any weapons - they simply forced her into the van. Possible kidnapping?- yes, life-threatening?- no. Even if it had been an actual kidnapping, you have to take into account the possible danger to the victim if you should happen to miss (easy to do with a short-range weapon) AND the possible danger to others' life and property by taking such action. You need to think about where your round might end up if you hit your target AND if you miss... Stray bullets kill also.

Please, no offense intended - but get more training...
John Q Public

Glen Allen, VA

#43 May 30, 2010
Ask any Veteran...
John Q Public

Glen Allen, VA

#44 May 30, 2010
rest in pieces wrote:
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be for real , is there anyone else's life worth dying for than your own ?
Sorry.. this quote should have been included in the above...

Ask any Veteran...

“America is great , not people”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#45 May 30, 2010
John Q Public wrote:
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Sorry.. this quote should have been included in the above...
Ask any Veteran...
Most Veterans besides those drafted don't join to protect , they join because most of them can't do anything else that's considered productive . And the pay and benefits are better than the average high schooler can get anywhere else . Being a former ' sender of sheep into the slaughter ' officer , I experienced 25 faithful years of firsthand knowledge of what soldier's don't even begin to consider when raising their hands and swearing that oath . And I've returned from many places , greeted by those left behind and the purpose and intent of going to foreign countries wasn't about dying for anyone , it was about killing as many as we could and hopefully bringing everyone back home safely . As for the 30 or so flags that I have proudly folded and passed to family members , not one eye was dry and never did I hear them say ," It was worth it ." Marines are trained to kill and to commit suicide if it can preserve the lives of fellow Marines !
janice foster

Richmond, VA

#46 May 30, 2010
well thank God! That is crazy! As a parent I can not imagine having to go through that. Im just glad to know it wasnt an abduction.

“America is great , not people”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#47 May 30, 2010
Marine Corps , country and then god . And my friends aren't buried in Arlington , they were expelled from their bodies , for whatever unknown reasons that Washington has seen fit . Where they exhaled that last breath , is where they remain and where they took the journey into the unknown . There was no country there , there was no god there and their body was to be returned to , from which it was provided , their relatives . If you believe , maybe you'll dream a nice dream of you not dying and possibly making it after suffering an attack . And you'll get old in that dream and you'll get sick in that dream and you'll close your eyes one day and die peacefully while resting . And some of us will die and dream of a promised punishment for committing the most horrific of sins .[ softly humming taps ] tears swelling , what is worth it ?
Laurie

Stafford, VA

#48 May 30, 2010
I was disgusted with the way the viewers acted when this was happening...NOBODY ran over there and tried to help her. People just watched...unbelievable!! Then when it was done, people looked like they were just talking about it..not on their phones like they SHOULD have been doing and calling 911 for her... If people would have called 911 they could have caught up to the van easily due to the congestion on 610.... I can see that I am on my own if I am in that situation...I would hope SOMEONE would come help me or at least call 911 immediately for me if you cannot fight off the people. I am now carrying Mace or something with me and hope no one gets close to me or comes at me quick...they will get a very big surprise.... I just hope people who read this help your fellow american in a time of distress and do the right thing... at least act like you are going to help so the person/people will run away.....
Laurie

Stafford, VA

#49 May 30, 2010
John Q Public wrote:
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WOW!! You must be VERY careful in a situation like this. As it turned out, we didn't know the whole story. If you had went in with guns-a-blazing, YOU would have been the one looking through bars today. As I said in another thread, Someone's life MUST be in danger for deadly force to be justified in any way. None of the people in the clip appeared to have any weapons - they simply forced her into the van. Possible kidnapping?- yes, life-threatening?- no. Even if it had been an actual kidnapping, you have to take into account the possible danger to the victim if you should happen to miss (easy to do with a short-range weapon) AND the possible danger to others' life and property by taking such action. You need to think about where your round might end up if you hit your target AND if you miss... Stray bullets kill also.
Please, no offense intended - but get more training...
I disagree with you on life threatening...no matter what. watching that tape, it was obvious someone was being taken against their will...that is cause for concern and anyone in that position should be questioned... I just hope that due to this being a false alarm, does not deter people from calling in stuff when they see it... now it is understandable, but caution never hurts...it just enforces safety for all
only seeing

Hopewell, VA

#50 May 30, 2010
We could only see what was happening . They could have heard the father telling the daughter to get into the car prior to what we saw . We blatantly accuse these people of doing nothing but what do we really know ? As far as we know they could have been having a discussion long before where the camera picked up , that those bystanders were already aware of . Noone was coming out of the store at great intervals at first . They could have been watching as well as listening off camera . We always want to perceive things as worse than they are ; it makes better news
not a demorat

Lyndhurst, VA

#51 May 30, 2010
not a teahead wrote:
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Supposed they had a gun, then what?
suppose the girl had a gun, then what maybe they would have never gotten her...... its a shame they couldnt have taken your dumb ass
Laurie

Stafford, VA

#52 May 30, 2010
only seeing wrote:
We could only see what was happening . They could have heard the father telling the daughter to get into the car prior to what we saw . We blatantly accuse these people of doing nothing but what do we really know ? As far as we know they could have been having a discussion long before where the camera picked up , that those bystanders were already aware of . Noone was coming out of the store at great intervals at first . They could have been watching as well as listening off camera . We always want to perceive things as worse than they are ; it makes better news
Did you watch the tape? there was no discussing going on the van swooped in and they grabbed her...it looked like any abduction would...for safety sake, that is what it should have been taken as and 911 called..please watch the tape.
chesterfield

Powhatan, VA

#53 May 30, 2010
John Q Public wrote:
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WOW!! You must be VERY careful in a situation like this. As it turned out, we didn't know the whole story. If you had went in with guns-a-blazing, YOU would have been the one looking through bars today. As I said in another thread, Someone's life MUST be in danger for deadly force to be justified in any way. None of the people in the clip appeared to have any weapons - they simply forced her into the van. Possible kidnapping?- yes, life-threatening?- no. Even if it had been an actual kidnapping, you have to take into account the possible danger to the victim if you should happen to miss (easy to do with a short-range weapon) AND the possible danger to others' life and property by taking such action. You need to think about where your round might end up if you hit your target AND if you miss... Stray bullets kill also.
Please, no offense intended - but get more training...
I will say this, if i would have seen this happen i would have pulled my gun and made them wait for the police.if they would have tried to leave o would have shot their tire out, if they would have came after me i would have shot them in the head! would i have went to jail????? maybe...maybe not. i would have been acting in a way to save a girls life! i would have no idea that they were family....I would have only known that this girl did not want to get into that van....You see black people think they can just drive up and act like they did and think that they have done no wrong. i think they should be charged with something for acting in such a mannor as they did! You see white people would have called the police and waited for them to help family out and get the girl to go with them....they are VERY lucky that someone didnt kill one of them. oh and my grandfather and father were both firearms instructor for the police so i dont think that i would have missed. but all in all im glad no one was hurt!
drones

Hopewell, VA

#54 May 30, 2010
Laurie wrote:
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Did you watch the tape? there was no discussing going on the van swooped in and they grabbed her...it looked like any abduction would...for safety sake, that is what it should have been taken as and 911 called..please watch the tape.
the tape was 4 mins and 40 secs long for a reason . the van did a lot more than swoop in . This was going on for approximately 10 mins , they were following her from a nearby gas station . Guess they needed gas after leaving Rhode Island . With kids these days and the internet , it wouldn't surprise me if she had a chat buddy in Va . Just guessing , She could have easily not left Rhode island for all of that , hid out at a friends ; she makes a stand in the middle of Va , are we thinking today , since this is a hypothetically induced scenario blog .
drones

Hopewell, VA

#55 May 30, 2010
chesterfield wrote:
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I will say this, if i would have seen this happen i would have pulled my gun and made them wait for the police.if they would have tried to leave o would have shot their tire out, if they would have came after me i would have shot them in the head! would i have went to jail????? maybe...maybe not. i would have been acting in a way to save a girls life! i would have no idea that they were family....I would have only known that this girl did not want to get into that van....You see black people think they can just drive up and act like they did and think that they have done no wrong. i think they should be charged with something for acting in such a mannor as they did! You see white people would have called the police and waited for them to help family out and get the girl to go with them....they are VERY lucky that someone didnt kill one of them. oh and my grandfather and father were both firearms instructor for the police so i dont think that i would have missed. but all in all im glad no one was hurt!
This kind of thing happens all of the time in campgrounds with white kids and people don't pull guns out of their rv's which i'm sure that they have because I'm usually carrying revolver as well as a rifle . It's more or less because they are black that anyone in their distorted way of thinking would put a gun in their face . I think unlawful detainment and a few other charges might apply in your scenario , especially if you moved them by gunpoint . Abduction , kidnapping and brandishing a firearm with the intent to hinder and not kill . Nowhere in the ccw laws does it say you can subdue an individual if your life isn't being threatened .
drones

Hopewell, VA

#56 May 30, 2010
chesterfield wrote:
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I will say this, if i would have seen this happen i would have pulled my gun and made them wait for the police.if they would have tried to leave o would have shot their tire out, if they would have came after me i would have shot them in the head! would i have went to jail????? maybe...maybe not. i would have been acting in a way to save a girls life! i would have no idea that they were family....I would have only known that this girl did not want to get into that van....You see black people think they can just drive up and act like they did and think that they have done no wrong. i think they should be charged with something for acting in such a mannor as they did! You see white people would have called the police and waited for them to help family out and get the girl to go with them....they are VERY lucky that someone didnt kill one of them. oh and my grandfather and father were both firearms instructor for the police so i dont think that i would have missed. but all in all im glad no one was hurt!
And I'm almost positive that the girl would have kindly gotten in the van if you had pointed your gun at them :).
chesterfield

Powhatan, VA

#57 May 30, 2010
drones wrote:
<quoted text>This kind of thing happens all of the time in campgrounds with white kids and people don't pull guns out of their rv's which i'm sure that they have because I'm usually carrying revolver as well as a rifle . It's more or less because they are black that anyone in their distorted way of thinking would put a gun in their face . I think unlawful detainment and a few other charges might apply in your scenario , especially if you moved them by gunpoint . Abduction , kidnapping and brandishing a firearm with the intent to hinder and not kill . Nowhere in the ccw laws does it say you can subdue an individual if your life isn't being threatened .


You do have the right to hold someone if it seem fit...and i do belive that seeing some one getting pulled into a van against their will, would in fact be reasonable. im not saying that the police would have question me in what i would have done, its just like if you see someone traped in a car on fire and you go and HELP them, if you hurt them while trying to get them out, the police will not charge me with assult or anything else. Im just saying that i would have tried to help her without the gun( and if you read my comment you would have seen that i said that IF they came towards me i would have pulled my gun) My father has been a officer for 30 years and yes they could be problems with this, but it would have been out of helping the girl....OH and one more thing...dont be stupid and compare an adult girl with 3 men grabbing her and pulling her into a van , and compare it to KIDS in a campground getting put into a car by their parents. there is a BIG difference here!
John Q Public

Glen Allen, VA

#58 May 30, 2010
Laurie wrote:
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I disagree with you on life threatening...no matter what. watching that tape, it was obvious someone was being taken against their will...that is cause for concern and anyone in that position should be questioned... I just hope that due to this being a false alarm, does not deter people from calling in stuff when they see it... now it is understandable, but caution never hurts...it just enforces safety for all
Calling yes, shooting NO. Common sense MUST prevail in a situation such as this. Also, there was no audio. We don't know if the girl was having a tantrum at the time, or calling out to Mom or Dad or to someone else in the van as if she knew them. Any police officer will tell you about the eggshells they have to walk on in a domestic situation. Things must be handled VERY carefully.
aslewis

Charlottesville, VA

#59 May 30, 2010
Was there a reason she didn't wanted to go. All she going to do is run away again. Maybe she could have stay with some of her family member.
Sammy

Richmond, VA

#60 May 30, 2010
aslewis wrote:
Was there a reason she didn't wanted to go. All she going to do is run away again. Maybe she could have stay with some of her family member.
Maybe seeing how you now have time and a computer, drop your degree in EBONICS, and learn to speak english.

Getto KEYBOARD??
Mark

Richmond, VA

#61 May 30, 2010
I dont care if these were the family members that took her or not. I seen the images and it looks alot like kidnapping i would still have authorities to contact CPS on her parents. If this is the way they handle people and situations i wouldnt even trust them period because it maybe serious thing later on.

People do seem very violent aswell

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