Churches split on Scouts' stance on gays

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In suburban Atlanta, northern Idaho and a number of other places, churches have moved swiftly to sever ties with the Boy Scouts of America in protest over the vote last month to let openly gay boys participate in Scouting.
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Who could blame them for for saying NO to gay scouts.
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It's an ideal setup. The SBC has no authority to tell its churches to cut ties with the BSA. But such authority is not needed, as they pretty much all believe the same thing.

So it will be done by local church boards and congregations making the decision.
And the fagagandists will need a local fagaganda organization in every little community if they intend to call a press conference and denounce the decision every time it is made.

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Romans 1:26-27 is very clear.

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Aug 14, 2013
 
HEATH - 72 wrote:
Romans 1:26-27 is very clear.

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Maybe you should take this up with the Catholic Church

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Romans 1:26-27 is very clear.
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It's extremely clear. There's nothing ambiguous about it.
Romans 1
" 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

What's equally clear is that those who want to add any works to the gospel of faith in Jesus are the works-salvation legalists that Apostle Paul contended against.

Ephesians 2
8 "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
9 not of works, lest anyone should boast"

Take your baptismal regeneration doctrine and either
1. throw it into the bottomless pit, or;
2. give it back to Rome.

And no church can save. Only Jesus can save. That includes the Church of Christ.

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Aug 14, 2013
 
The Real Goose wrote:
What's equally clear is that those who want to add any works to the gospel of faith in Jesus are the works-salvation legalists that Apostle Paul contended against.
Ephesians 2
8 "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
9 not of works, lest anyone should boast"
Take your baptismal regeneration doctrine and either
1. throw it into the bottomless pit, or;
2. give it back to Rome.
And no church can save. Only Jesus can save. That includes the Church of Christ.
The 'church' as referenced in the NT were the people that followed the teachings Jesus taught to the apostles and told them to spread his message to gather disciples for his faith and gospel.
When Jesus walked this earth, his church was the one true church on the face of the earth. Not another religion on earth held the salvation for mankind that he gave to those that would receive it.
And the church Jesus founded had offices in it. Offices that disciples held. Offices like apostles/prophets, bishops, ministers, seventies, missionaries, etc. Those positions were all part of the church Jesus founded and set forth.
And Jesus taught more than 'just' faith was necessary for one's salvation. Jesus said to do as he did, to follow in his footsteps, to do the works he did. Jesus taught salvation came by way of one's faith AND one's deeds. Faith and works weren't to be separated (as you have separated them). Feeding and clothing the poor are works. Healing the sick and ill, visiting the widows and taking care of children are all deeds of works that are to be mixed with one's faith in Jesus.
What you don't understand are Jews converting to Jesus's gospel still held an old belief that 'works' not faith saved them in the hereafter. Then there were the zealous converters to Jesus's gospel who took having faith in God so seriously that they refused to think works had anything to do with their salvation.
So Paul and James went out on a limb to try and explain to these extremists in both factions that having just one without the other brought no salvation. That faith and works had to be together for true salvation. Understand?

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I understand perfectly well that:
1. Saving faith is how we enter the kingdom;
2. Saving faith will produce works of righteousness., but;
3. Those works themselves do not save us (Titus 3:5) "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy" we are saved.
4. And yes, I know that James explained the difference between "saving faith" and what often passes for faith with men..Faith which believes in God, but does not work an inward CHANGE in us is not saving faith.

And if you too belong to the so-called "Church of Christ", then your church holds the teaching of baptismal regeneration, as well as believing you are the true church because you hold the all-important correct name.

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Aug 15, 2013
 
The Real Goose wrote:
I understand perfectly well that:
1. Saving faith is how we enter the kingdom;
2. Saving faith will produce works of righteousness., but;
3. Those works themselves do not save us (Titus 3:5) "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy" we are saved.
4. And yes, I know that James explained the difference between "saving faith" and what often passes for faith with men..Faith which believes in God, but does not work an inward CHANGE in us is not saving faith.

And if you too belong to the so-called "Church of Christ", then your church holds the teaching of baptismal regeneration, as well as believing you are the true church because you hold the all-important correct name.
Titus 3:5

Washing of regeneration

Acts 22:16

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Aug 15, 2013
 
This is the usual circle drive, where CoC disciples try to take you "round-and-round" in circles.

1. I say baptismal regeneration is false - that no
works of righteousness earn our salvation;
2. You then pretend that I said we are not told to be baptized - which of course I never said - and start quoting verses about baptism.
3. I acknowledge that believers should be baptized, but again state that no works of righteousness by us help to secure our salvation;
4. Etcetera
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Alexander Campbell created the CoC religion in WV, USA. After 2 yrs they talked a Baptist preacher into baptizing four of them. They then claimed Apostolic succession. They make the same claims as the Catholics and are a duplication - almost.

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The Real Goose wrote:
I understand perfectly well that:
1. Saving faith is how we enter the kingdom;
2. Saving faith will produce works of righteousness., but;
3. Those works themselves do not save us (Titus 3:5) "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy" we are saved.
4. And yes, I know that James explained the difference between "saving faith" and what often passes for faith with men..Faith which believes in God, but does not work an inward CHANGE in us is not saving faith.
And if you too belong to the so-called "Church of Christ", then your church holds the teaching of baptismal regeneration, as well as believing you are the true church because you hold the all-important correct name.
"2. Saving faith will produce works of righteousness., but;"

Um no. There are no buts. Jesus never worked with buts. Neither did the apostles work with buts.
James clarified this topic as the doctrine became more and more perverted during and after Jesus's death. He said faith without works is dead as works without faith is dead. Faith by itself holds no salvation. If it did, we would have no obligation to do anything as Jesus commanded us to do as he did it. We wouldn't be required to help the homeless, the widows, etc. Having faith in Jesus should produce the works that faith manifests if one is also doing as Jesus commanded.
So faith AND works combined together(not separately)brings forth salvation. If you believe anything else you're not believing what Jesus taught. And no I'm not a member of the Church of Christ.

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No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>Having faith in Jesus should produce the works that faith manifests if one is also doing as Jesus commanded.
WRONG!!!
Having faith in Jesus WILL (not should) produce the work.

That's because saving faith CHANGES and REGENERATES a person.
If you need to do mental exercises to work up that change, you do not have saving faith at all. If you have any faith, it is probably the "I believe" faith that every devil has.(James spoke of that. No devils are atheists.)

Your goodness will not save you - ever. You have God's Word on that.(Isaiah 64:6) "all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags".

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The Real Goose wrote:
<quoted text>WRONG!!!
Having faith in Jesus WILL (not should) produce the work.

That's because saving faith CHANGES and REGENERATES a person.
If you need to do mental exercises to work up that change, you do not have saving faith at all. If you have any faith, it is probably the "I believe" faith that every devil has.(James spoke of that. No devils are atheists.)

Your goodness will not save you - ever. You have God's Word on that.(Isaiah 64:6) "all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags".
(Isaiah 64:6) "all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags".

Amen.

Water baptism is a work of God.

Col. 1:11-12

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Aug 16, 2013
 
Facts are important things.

Here's some historical facts.

http://www.padfield.com/1996/campbell.html

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The Real Goose wrote:
<quoted text>WRONG!!!
Having faith in Jesus WILL (not should) produce the work.
That's because saving faith CHANGES and REGENERATES a person.
If you need to do mental exercises to work up that change, you do not have saving faith at all. If you have any faith, it is probably the "I believe" faith that every devil has.(James spoke of that. No devils are atheists.)
Your goodness will not save you - ever. You have God's Word on that.(Isaiah 64:6) "all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags".
lol...WRONG!Having faith in Jesus WON'T always produce the works. Many are like the man that Jesus spoke of that lived day to day except when he wanted to SHOW his faith so he prayed loud in public and then went on his way like the other men, ignoring the poor and hungry and injured and widows and not helping any of them.
Many claim faith in Jesus and read their Bible and or even attend church and that's it. They don't volunteer to feed the hungry, visit the sick in hospitals or elderly in homes, don't work in soup kitchens and rarely if ever give any $ or food and supplies for good causes.
You have to earn your faith through constant development of it just as you earn your works by constantly doing good works for others.

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No Surprise wrote:
lol...WRONG!Having faith in Jesus WON'T always produce the works. Many are like the man that Jesus spoke of that lived day to day except when he wanted to SHOW his faith so he prayed loud in public and then went on his way like the other men, ignoring the poor and hungry and injured and widows and not helping any of them.
So you believe the example of the religious hypocrite proves that faith in Jesus does not produce any change in a person's heart?
Do you pay attention to what you are saying?
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Many claim faith in Jesus and read their Bible and or even attend church and that's it. They don't volunteer to feed the hungry, visit the sick in hospitals or elderly in homes, don't work in soup kitchens and rarely if ever give any $ or food and supplies for good causes.
As you said: "Many CLAIM faith.." Does that mean they have it? Not at all.

Like James, you are talking about false professors. Unlike James, you view them as believers. James did not.
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You have to earn your faith through constant development of it just as you earn your works by constantly doing good works for others.
Faith is not something you earn or develop. It is given to you.
Eph 2:8-9 " For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

You need to repent, and believe the gospel.

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Just think of all the great things Jesus could have gotten these guys to do, if only He had answered them differently:

John 6:28-29
"Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent."

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Aug 16, 2013
 
HEATH - 72 wrote:
Facts are important things.
Here's some historical facts.
http://www.padfield.com/1996/campbell.html
Sometimes facts are important. Some facts are important.
Those are not. They are pretty much trivial and useless.

When you are finished worshipping your denomination, repent and believe the gospel.

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The Real Goose wrote:
Just think of all the great things Jesus could have gotten these guys to do, if only He had answered them differently:

John 6:28-29
"Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent."
John 6:28-29
"Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent."

Amen!

Now read James 2:14-26.

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