Was St. Paul woman's death from murde...

Was St. Paul woman's death from murder or sex act gone wrong?

There are 62 comments on the TwinCities.com story from May 8, 2009, titled Was St. Paul woman's death from murder or sex act gone wrong?. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Gabriela Romo and Michael Sontoya "engaged in sex that was maybe not considered mainstream," Sontoya's lawyer said Friday.

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Since: Apr 08

Twin Cities

#2 May 9, 2009
In Minnesota and other states with the Good Samaritan Law, a person can be held responsible for not giving life-saving aid to a person in a medical emergency. Watching her bleed out and go unconscious without calling for help until she's dead is at the very LEAST what Mr. Sontoya is guilty of. I don't believe he intended to kill Gaby, but in light of him not calling for help for her I'd say he should face the full punishment allowed by law.
Sarah D

Saint Paul, MN

#4 May 9, 2009
"She suffered two perforations in her vaginal canal, one of which extended "14 inches into her bodily cavity" to her spleen, liver and diaphragm, Vlieger said."

14 inches. My God 14 inches. It must have been agonizing. And this guy wants people to believe that this woman willingly underwent this brutal kind of treatment? It sounds more like he just plain didn't stop when she MUST have indicated that he was hurting her.

Then he just lets her lay there and bleed to death after he's had his "fun".
Pathetic

AOL

#6 May 9, 2009
Another pathetic example of some low life that will be out in, oh, six months or so. Wake up. Lock him up and throw away the key.
bulldogdutch

United States

#7 May 9, 2009
he cleaned up after himself, pretty cold-blooded. She should be convicted 1st Degree MURDER. heartless skull
confused

Saint Paul, MN

#9 May 9, 2009
There is no way she enjoyed the "sex act" that killed her. She had to have died in terrible pain. How awful for her children to lose their mom in this way.

“it takes a lot to laugh...”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#10 May 9, 2009
I assumed that Torres would use a variation of the "Snake eyes" defense. It looks like he is trying to play down a brutal assault to a sex act gone bad. The accused's lack of action to aid her should be a mitigating circumstance if he is found guilty.
Old White Guy

United States

#11 May 10, 2009
Pure perverted evil
a mom

Saint Paul, MN

#12 May 10, 2009
Old White Guy wrote:
Pure perverted evil
Agreed!!
Miss Kitty

Brainerd, MN

#15 May 10, 2009
You know, I am finding it to be a stunning example of the depth to which our culture has sunk as I read some of the comments here. The story itself, along with the sophistry and lack of ethical substance in the defense arguments, are bad enough. But the flip banality of the evil remarks are truly diseased. They should be removed, and the writers banned from further access to the PPD website. The editors should be relentlessly ashamed of themselves. The authors of those remarks, I fear, are beyond shame.

Since: Jul 08

Brooklyn Park

#16 May 10, 2009
Isn't there a word or signal that people use during "kinky" sex that is suppose to trigger cessation of all activities? I would think that Gaby would have given the signal after the first vaginal perforation. If Sontoya ignored this signal, even during the heat of "passion" he should burn.

Since: Jul 08

Brooklyn Park

#17 May 10, 2009
Miss Kitty wrote:
You know, I am finding it to be a stunning example of the depth to which our culture has sunk as I read some of the comments here. The story itself, along with the sophistry and lack of ethical substance in the defense arguments, are bad enough. But the flip banality of the evil remarks are truly diseased. They should be removed, and the writers banned from further access to the PPD website. The editors should be relentlessly ashamed of themselves. The authors of those remarks, I fear, are beyond shame.
Welcome to TOPIX Miss Kitty. Just filter out the trolls, and pick out the ones of interest. There are good posters here.
Miss Kitty

Brainerd, MN

#18 May 10, 2009
Labratt,

Filter, shmilter. I know evil when I see it, and I'm not about to let it pass as par for some deluded and relativist course. There isn't a dimes worth of difference between some of these posters and the perp of this awful crime. Welcome to TOXINS would have been a more reasonable, and, I might add, courageous, greeting. Good posters are not an excuse for spineless condoning of trash. I again call on the editors for proof of their adulthood and decency. Professionalism, I admit, may be asking for the impossible.
Wikipedia

Inver Grove Heights, MN

#19 May 10, 2009
Miss Kitty wrote:
You know, I am finding it to be a stunning example of the depth to which our culture has sunk as I read some of the comments here. The story itself, along with the sophistry and lack of ethical substance in the defense arguments, are bad enough. But the flip banality of the evil remarks are truly diseased. They should be removed, and the writers banned from further access to the PPD website. The editors should be relentlessly ashamed of themselves. The authors of those remarks, I fear, are beyond shame.
An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

Since: Apr 08

Twin Cities

#20 May 10, 2009
DOC wrote:
The sex act in question could not be done without cooperation from BOTH parties.
He probably forgot to take his rings off.
The fact that she bled to death, lying next to him presumably, does not make him guilty. She may not have realized there was anything wrong.
This is a tragic death but I do not see how any reasonable jury could find this guy guilty. There simply isn't enough evidence that this was anything more than accidental. He called 911, he stayed with her. Even paramedics stated that he didn't seem to comprehend there was anything wrong with her,(he didn't seem concerned)
And this sex act is in no way abnormal. There are websites and movies dedicated to this particular act. So the people responding with the "OMG disguisting!" attitude. Wake up! People do this stuff. Hell, people do alot wierder stuff than this. Can you say "2 girls 1 cup."
Are you serious? She didn't realize there was anything wrong? I do not believe that Gaby was conscious during at least some of this activity, as she would most certainly be aware that 'something was wrong' as she was being ripped open. And whether or not the injury he caused her was accidental, waiting until she bled out, then cleaning the blood off the walls (think about that one for a moment), and then lying to the medics about her being conscious only a little while earlier, are all actions that suggest malice on some level. If Mike had injured Gaby by accidentally hitting her with his vehicle, manipulated evidence at the crash site, and then failed to give life-saving aid while she died of her injuries and waited until after her death to call 911...

Well, you see how "accidental" or not, Mr. Sontoya is fully responsible for what happened.
Miss Kitty

Brainerd, MN

#21 May 10, 2009
Wikipedia wrote:
<quoted text>
An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.
And Wikepedia is an encyclopedia where truth is optional.

Since: Jul 08

Brooklyn Park

#22 May 10, 2009
Miss Kitty wrote:
Labratt,
Filter, shmilter. I know evil when I see it, and I'm not about to let it pass as par for some deluded and relativist course. There isn't a dimes worth of difference between some of these posters and the perp of this awful crime. Welcome to TOXINS would have been a more reasonable, and, I might add, courageous, greeting. Good posters are not an excuse for spineless condoning of trash. I again call on the editors for proof of their adulthood and decency. Professionalism, I admit, may be asking for the impossible.
Wouldn't that be censoship Miss Kitty? I admit that I find many posters distasteful, and sometimes push the envelope myself, but the alternative is to preread posts and establish someone else's moral rules on the content. No, I'll shoot from the hip thank you. I suggest you go back to the Miss Manners column.
Miss Kitty

Brainerd, MN

#23 May 10, 2009
Censorship? It is government that is prohibited from censorship, not private enterprise. Discrimination and good judgment are not censorship. The first amendment is not a suicide pact, nor a license to dispense vile, diabolic rubbish. In any event, even government may squelch that which is deemed a direct danger to the society, or prevent the publication of that which endangers the societal welfare.(Although the NY Times seems to have been granted immunity in these matters.) Those shots were not fired from the hip, but from the recesses of a festering mind. Should that mindset win the day, censorship will be the least of your worries. Reductio ad absurdum, the flavor of the age.
Workaday Oakdale Brother

United States

#24 May 10, 2009
Hearing about f i s t i n g between a male and a female (instead of between two males) is really mind blowing.

I heard that years ago, gay men who were into it used to wear red hankies to inform prospective partners of their proclivity...I wonder if women who are into have a similar signal. Actually, it's probably moot, as this fella's story sounds like bull.

Since: May 08

Saint Paul, MN

#25 May 10, 2009
ZenBirdist wrote:
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Are you serious? She didn't realize there was anything wrong? I do not believe that Gaby was conscious during at least some of this activity, as she would most certainly be aware that 'something was wrong' as she was being ripped open. And whether or not the injury he caused her was accidental, waiting until she bled out, then cleaning the blood off the walls (think about that one for a moment), and then lying to the medics about her being conscious only a little while earlier, are all actions that suggest malice on some level. If Mike had injured Gaby by accidentally hitting her with his vehicle, manipulated evidence at the crash site, and then failed to give life-saving aid while she died of her injuries and waited until after her death to call 911...
Well, you see how "accidental" or not, Mr. Sontoya is fully responsible for what happened.
No kidding.

This man made many decisons that are going to haunt him. Not calling 911 immediately - I find it hard to believe he thought nothing was wrong - is horrible. And to think about cleaning up...unreal.

He needs to be held responsible for this woman's life. The original intent doesn't matter...that will be overruled by his actions after the fact.

Anthony Torres - can't stand him ever since Corrine Erstad...how can he live with himself?
Wikipedia

Inver Grove Heights, MN

#26 May 10, 2009
Miss Kitty wrote:
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And Wikepedia is an encyclopedia where truth is optional.
It just dawned on me Miss Kitty MIGHT just be trolling... my bad..You got me fair and square! nicely done Miss Kitty

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