Man charged with raping girl, 15, aft...

Man charged with raping girl, 15, after they left Minnesota Sta...

There are 176 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Aug 25, 2008, titled Man charged with raping girl, 15, after they left Minnesota Sta.... In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

A 22-year-old Newport man was charged today with sexually assaulting a 15-year-old girl after leaving the Minnesota State Fair grounds with her Friday night.

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Jonathan

Hopkins, MN

#163 Aug 28, 2008
Blue Man wrote:
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First, only a fool would EVER voluntarily submit to a polygraph (whether they are innocent or guilty). The results are simply not reliable.
Second, the polygraph is not admissible in court unless both the defense and prosecution agree which is highly unlikely since they represent opposing sides of the issue.
Third, none of those questions would be valid polygraph items.
polygraphs are used all the time for security measures in the government and government contractors.
Jonathan

Hopkins, MN

#164 Aug 28, 2008
It DOES Matter wrote:
<quoted text>You must be JOKING...This guy ( P0S ) is a controlling freak & what is he doing with a minor ah > jonathan < .
Also how can you " see " someone screaming..? I believe you can " hear " someone screaming though... so your theory you can flush it down the toilet your 100% wrong & you shouldn't stick up for a P0S > jonathan <
Try hanging around GOOD people...
very random symbols in ur post. very nice.

you can see someone who is screaming. just as you can hear THEIR SCREAMING. oh right, i'm 100% wrong for saying that this guy is innocent until proven guilty.

$50 says ur a liberal.
Jonathan

Hopkins, MN

#165 Aug 28, 2008
JTY wrote:
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You may say innocent until proven guilty, but it sounds to me like you have already decided that she is lying.
I haven't decided she is lying. I have said there is a high possibility of that. By no means is there proof either way. Thus, we must abide by innocent until proven guilty and assume that the guy is innocent until we see sufficient proof to the contrary.
Jonathan

Hopkins, MN

#166 Aug 28, 2008
Red Foreman wrote:
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I don't have carpel tunnel (learn how to spell tardboy) because I don't make a retarded comment on every single topic on the boards like some people around here.
do you know what's ironic? u can't spell either. it's CARPAL tunnel. and, if you didn't have a carpal tunnel, ur hands would be perpetually numb because the tunnel protects the nerves.

seriously... calling him a tardboy while you yourself can't spell is rather hilarious.
Blue Man

Cottage Grove, MN

#167 Aug 28, 2008
Jonathan wrote:
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polygraphs are used all the time for security measures in the government and government contractors.
Yep, and they're the only ones who do so. Most employees who are represented by bargaining agents as well as most private employers opt out of that program. There is not a defense attorney around who is going to allow their client to take a polygraph, and who won't be successful in having an exam excluded in court.

There are dozens of reasons why nobody should ever agree to a polygraph. For one, they are more likely to indicate a person's guilt than their innocence (whether that's true or not). Another is the fact that the success of an exam is wholy dependant on the skill and ability of the examiner. A third is the examinee's state of mind when the exam is given.

A trained and skilled interviewer will achieve nearly identical results by using widely accepted techniques that are admissible in court. That same interview will likely reveal more details and be of more use in furthering the investigation than a polygraph exam would be. That is due, in part, to the limited scope of a polygraph exam.

The principle method used by many law enforcement investigators in the past is known as the "Reid" method. This technique has been modified based on research that points toward a less confrontational method developed by Wicklander and Zulawski. Both of these companies have a staff of polygraph examiners who often teach their techniques as the preferred method of truth-seeking.

Without going into a long, boring explanation, this method has proven to achieve reliable - read that as truthfinding - results that are accepted by every court in the land.

I'm all in favor at getting to the truth. I also understand that using methods to attempt to determine truthfulness that will not be allowed in court is fruitless.

And, I've never watched Perry Mason.
ragtopgirl

Saint Paul, MN

#170 Aug 29, 2008
poor girl...glad she went and got help...
Red Foreman

Dallas, TX

#171 Aug 29, 2008
Jonathan wrote:
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do you know what's ironic? u can't spell either. it's CARPAL tunnel. and, if you didn't have a carpal tunnel, ur hands would be perpetually numb because the tunnel protects the nerves.
seriously... calling him a tardboy while you yourself can't spell is rather hilarious.
Good you got the joke then...congratulations.
Red Foreman

Dallas, TX

#173 Aug 29, 2008
johnny wrote:
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lol, now youre playing it off.....lol
you must hate being corrected dont you? loser
lol, tee hee, yeah yeah, fire fire he he lol ha lol...

who does that sound like loser?

Done fondling your 15 year old girlfriend while texting johnny the dumb a s s? Maybe you should go for a 13 year old, she's more your speed.

lol, lol, lol,lol my name is johnny and I giggle a lot to myself but write a lot about it, lol tee hee fire fire lol he he
Red Foreman

Dallas, TX

#174 Aug 29, 2008
Jonathan wrote:
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do you know what's ironic? u can't spell either. it's CARPAL tunnel. and, if you didn't have a carpal tunnel, ur hands would be perpetually numb because the tunnel protects the nerves.
seriously... calling him a tardboy while you yourself can't spell is rather hilarious.
I think my single spelling error is a little less egregious than his one hundred thousand, but thanks for the shout out.

'Calling Dr Jonathan, calling Dr Jonathan.' I'm sorry your worship I forgot to include the word,'syndrome'. And carpal tunnel is a series of bones,(8 to be exact) not nerves. It becomes the syndrome when the nerves/tendons are pinched. You must be johnny's uppity alter ego, because only some one anal retentive would call ones self "Jonathan"
lawyerman

Saint Paul, MN

#177 Aug 29, 2008
How can one girl get raped at the state fair with thousands of people around and alomost a hundred police and nobody saw her hitting the man or hearing her screams that she claims? Also, they were seen making out before leaving the park to "get a drink" and then she says she pushed him away while he was trying to kiss her? It seems like this girl obviously knew what she was getting into and lied about her age. She knew how old this man was but still she decided to call him multiple times? Her story does not add up. I think she might be looking for attention and does not want to tell her parents she had sex since she is only 15.
Sarah D

Saint Paul, MN

#179 Aug 30, 2008
lawyerman wrote:
How can one girl get raped at the state fair with thousands of people around and alomost a hundred police and nobody saw her hitting the man or hearing her screams that she claims? Also, they were seen making out before leaving the park to "get a drink" and then she says she pushed him away while he was trying to kiss her? It seems like this girl obviously knew what she was getting into and lied about her age. She knew how old this man was but still she decided to call him multiple times? Her story does not add up. I think she might be looking for attention and does not want to tell her parents she had sex since she is only 15.
It's possible but ultimately irrelevant. She's below the age of consent so the guy's out of luck even if she did lie to him and even if the sex was consensual.

Gender Pass

De Forest, WI

#181 Aug 31, 2008
Sarah D wrote:
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It's possible but ultimately irrelevant. She's below the age of consent so the guy's out of luck even if she did lie to him and even if the sex was consensual.
Thank You very much Saral D for the gender pass. If you misrepresent your age to get a drink or cigarettes you are still guilty of the violation.
Blue Man

Cottage Grove, MN

#182 Aug 31, 2008
Gender Pass wrote:
<quoted text> Thank You very much Saral D for the gender pass. If you misrepresent your age to get a drink or cigarettes you are still guilty of the violation.
So is the person who sold you the cigarettes or alcohol. It's the bartender's or clerk's job to check IDs. They don't get a free pass just because the person "said" they were 18, or 21.
Sarah D

Saint Paul, MN

#183 Aug 31, 2008
Gender Pass wrote:
<quoted text> Thank You very much Saral D for the gender pass. If you misrepresent your age to get a drink or cigarettes you are still guilty of the violation.
Did I say that it was ok for a girl to do this? No. I was simply stating the fact that it would still be considered statutory rape.

Hardly a gender pass. Stop being so touchy.
Jonathan

Hopkins, MN

#184 Aug 31, 2008
Red Foreman wrote:
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I think my single spelling error is a little less egregious than his one hundred thousand, but thanks for the shout out.
'Calling Dr Jonathan, calling Dr Jonathan.' I'm sorry your worship I forgot to include the word,'syndrome'. And carpal tunnel is a series of bones,(8 to be exact) not nerves. It becomes the syndrome when the nerves/tendons are pinched. You must be johnny's uppity alter ego, because only some one anal retentive would call ones self "Jonathan"
i never said that it was nerves. i said that it protected the nerves, which it does.

just choosing my name instead of some random alter ego screenname is being anal retentive? sheesh
Sarah D

Saint Paul, MN

#185 Sep 1, 2008
Jonathan wrote:
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i never said that it was nerves. i said that it protected the nerves, which it does.
just choosing my name instead of some random alter ego screenname is being anal retentive? sheesh
Hmmm I wonder what Red's real name is.

“Accept me for me or be gone!”

Since: Apr 08

Saint Paul, MN

#186 Sep 2, 2008
loopy wrote:
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what if the little tramp lied about her age?
I agree with "Pray for loopy" you are sick. Either way, it's rape, even if he "thought" she was old enough.

“Accept me for me or be gone!”

Since: Apr 08

Saint Paul, MN

#187 Sep 2, 2008
Red Foreman wrote:
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Look who makes zero sense again...johnny the tard. You're a little off topic aren't you? Quoting starwars is not a good way to represent your intellect.
I like being angry, it keeps me warm at night. Why my 'name' seems to be of great interest to you is beyond me, if ya don't watch that 70s show, ya wouldn't get it.
Red Foreman: "That johnny sure is a dumb a s s kids. I don't need to troll or whack it because Kitty makes that puzzy growl every night. Eric, get me a beer, and knock that johnny's dumb a s s out while you're at it."
NEWSFLASH - POINT PLACE, WISCONSIN - Eric Foreman kicked johnny's dumb a s s all over the front yard today, eventually sending the poor hermaphrodite running away in tears. Poor johnny, that's what happens when retarded kids mouth off.
I don't have carpel tunnel (learn how to spell tardboy) because I don't make a retarded comment on every single topic on the boards like some people around here.(johnny the tard) You like to start a forum riot by making retarded statements on as many things as you can and seeing if you p i s s anybody off, and you NEVER have an intelligent thing to say. Somebody take his computer away...please!
Your comment made me laugh...BUT if you are going to criticize Johnny for his spelling of tunnal, you should maybe have spelled carpel correctly. It's Carpal Tunnel.

“Accept me for me or be gone!”

Since: Apr 08

Saint Paul, MN

#188 Sep 2, 2008
johnny wrote:
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see? you even said it yourself...you never let yourself be in that situation..but she did..
Well maybe, like me, she thought she could trust the man and didn't know she put herself in the situation. Either way, she's not the guilty party here.

“Accept me for me or be gone!”

Since: Apr 08

Saint Paul, MN

#189 Sep 2, 2008
Blue Man wrote:
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So is the person who sold you the cigarettes or alcohol. It's the bartender's or clerk's job to check IDs. They don't get a free pass just because the person "said" they were 18, or 21.
Right...they get up to a 5000 fine in some states, and could lose their license to sell either liquor or cigarettes

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