Why the hubub on the SSPX?

Why the hubub on the SSPX?

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Since: Dec 11

Union City, NJ

#1 Dec 16, 2011
Can someone tell me in detail what are your gripes about the SSPX presence in town?
How large is their presence in town? are they in the city government?
The SSPX are just Catholics.
Redneck

Graham, WA

#2 Jan 13, 2012
love alabama wrote:
Can someone tell me in detail what are your gripes about the SSPX presence in town?
How large is their presence in town? are they in the city government?
The SSPX are just Catholics.
They are NOT "just Catholics". They are a c-u-l-t!! Check out
what Rick Ross (cult expert) has to say about them!! They breed
like cockroaches, are rude, and never a man around; only mothers
with a ton of kids around. Their yards are junky and filled with
toys. No upkeep on the homes or yards. Rude, crude and socially
unacceptable.
Fassbender hater

Tecumseh, KS

#3 May 19, 2012
Omg, thank u god I'm not the only person that sees this!!! Those "Catholics" in st Mary's are awful. Men are pigs women are so stupid with 9 kids and no self respect! Pathetic at best
Redneck

Graham, WA

#4 Jun 4, 2012
Fassbender hater wrote:
Omg, thank u god I'm not the only person that sees this!!! Those "Catholics" in st Mary's are awful. Men are pigs women are so stupid with 9 kids and no self respect! Pathetic at best
Thank you for your realistic comments. But -- most of this cult
has a whole bunch more kids than nine. Also, their school is not
accredited, so none of those kids even carry a state-mandated
education. I have wondered for many, many, years about how much
those families make from the State of Kansas; as they most defin-
itely are on food stamps and welfare. NO WAY could one man make
enough money around there to feed and clothe that many kids. Yes,
indeed, I did grow up there, and am very thankful that I left
many years ago. BUT -- I do maintain friendships with the ones
I grew up with, and they tell me lots of information on SSPX --
all of which is extremely disturbing. I pray that the truth will
come out, and that the good and decent (NOT SSPX) people will
continue to fight to rid the town of them. Thank you.
Coco Channel

Florence, AL

#5 Jun 16, 2012
I have SSPX family there and they are really doing great. They've got money, clean kids, take great vacay's, around the world, etc. They have lot's of kids too. Anyway, they like the traditional Mass and keep out of the rest of the politics and gossip, etc. their kids went to the Academy and are now attending University. Sorry to burst your bubble. It's really ignorant of you people to speak about everyone like that. It's like being a racist really, exept you are judging people who attend a particular parish.
Redneck

Graham, WA

#6 Jun 19, 2012
Coco Channel wrote:
I have SSPX family there and they are really doing great. They've got money, clean kids, take great vacay's, around the world, etc. They have lot's of kids too. Anyway, they like the traditional Mass and keep out of the rest of the politics and gossip, etc. their kids went to the Academy and are now attending University. Sorry to burst your bubble. It's really ignorant of you people to speak about everyone like that. It's like being a racist really, exept you are judging people who attend a particular parish.
Must be nice to be able to travel, vacation, breed, etc., all on
money they get from welfare funds that those of us who have worked
and lived within the law provides them. Nothing you can say will
ever convince me otherwise. As to the Academy, how can a child
attend a regular University, when the Academy is a non-accredited
school??? If you are calling Academy 'University', you are way
off the mark, too. Let's get some truth out there and everyone
question where their tax money is going.
Jean-Luc Dalmasso

Allemond, France

#7 Sep 13, 2012
You seem to be obsessed with the tax money you think SSPX's families are getting. Let me tell you something : I lived in St Marys a few years ago and I never met people more opposed to welfare and other assistance coming from the State than among traditional catholics. They think that to rely on the State to make a living is socialism and they abhor socialism.

Another point : you should know that SSPX's followers massively vote for Republicans. If they depended so much on welfare, don't you think they would vote for Democrats ?

Do you want to know how they manage financially ? They make their own clothes, have several jobs, grow a garden, can food, etc.
Redneck

Graham, WA

#8 Sep 19, 2012
Jean-Luc Dalmasso wrote:
You seem to be obsessed with the tax money you think SSPX's families are getting. Let me tell you something : I lived in St Marys a few years ago and I never met people more opposed to welfare and other assistance coming from the State than among traditional catholics. They think that to rely on the State to make a living is socialism and they abhor socialism.
Another point : you should know that SSPX's followers massively vote for Republicans. If they depended so much on welfare, don't you think they would vote for Democrats ?
Do you want to know how they manage financially ? They make their own clothes, have several jobs, grow a garden, can food, etc.
Man-o-man! Your fairy tale about the SSPX is good for a laugh, if
nothing else! If they do vote for Repub's, how's come all the
political signs in their yards are for DEMOCRATS???? Your family
(the ones who are loaded and take big trips) must be selling crack
or something, as that little, bitty town has no place to work to
make a decent wage, let alone support a family the size of the
Dugger's. I am not speculating on the facts of their dependence
on welfare and food stamps. It is common knowledge in the town.
Check it out!
Mike

Wamego, KS

#9 Sep 25, 2012
Funny topic and posts. Everyone knows that the majority of welfare goes to single mothers and their kids. The SSPX's have families with a husband and wife and they take care of themselves. And even though they already pay property taxes, they also pay for their own schooling and that saves the rest of us a lot of money. I also find them very agreeable. Anyone who doesn't like them is probably just jealous.
Jean-Luc Dalmasso

Ireland

#10 Nov 30, 2012
Redneck wrote:
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Man-o-man! Your fairy tale about the SSPX is good for a laugh, if
nothing else! If they do vote for Repub's, how's come all the
political signs in their yards are for DEMOCRATS???? Your family
(the ones who are loaded and take big trips) must be selling crack
or something, as that little, bitty town has no place to work to
make a decent wage, let alone support a family the size of the
Dugger's. I am not speculating on the facts of their dependence
on welfare and food stamps. It is common knowledge in the town.
Check it out!
Look, even the New York Times in an article criticizing the Society of St Pius X (Scary Paramilitaries, published on November 12, 1998) had to admit :

"The St. Pius families, committed to the old Latin mass, speak of the need to return to traditional ways, without television, without feminism, WITHOUT WELFARE, WITHOUT INTERFERENCE FROM THE STATE. It is they who give the town the appearance of a small-town America that does not exist anymore."

Then look at the results of the Democratic candidate at the presidential election in St Marys. It's clear that traditional catholics don't support the welfare state !
Catholic Mom

Valencia, PA

#11 Dec 10, 2013
Thank you for your comments. Go to the Rorate Caeli blog for today, December 10, 2013 to take a look at the SSPX schools in St. Mary's, Kansas, town. Those beautiful children are being indoctrinated into schismatic beliefs and they are being raised outside of the Church. The truth about this community needs to be told!!! Anyone who has first hand knowledge of the questionable behaviors that take place needs to speak out. I pray that you find the courage to do so.
Redneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for your realistic comments. But -- most of this cult
has a whole bunch more kids than nine. Also, their school is not
accredited, so none of those kids even carry a state-mandated
education. I have wondered for many, many, years about how much
those families make from the State of Kansas; as they most defin-
itely are on food stamps and welfare. NO WAY could one man make
enough money around there to feed and clothe that many kids. Yes,
indeed, I did grow up there, and am very thankful that I left
many years ago. BUT -- I do maintain friendships with the ones
I grew up with, and they tell me lots of information on SSPX --
all of which is extremely disturbing. I pray that the truth will
come out, and that the good and decent (NOT SSPX) people will
continue to fight to rid the town of them. Thank you.
eGuest

Kennett, MO

#12 Dec 25, 2013
Jean-Luc Dalmasso wrote:
<quoted text>
Look, even the New York Times in an article criticizing the Society of St Pius X (Scary Paramilitaries, published on November 12, 1998) had to admit :
"The St. Pius families, committed to the old Latin mass, speak of the need to return to traditional ways, without television, without feminism, WITHOUT WELFARE, WITHOUT INTERFERENCE FROM THE STATE. It is they who give the town the appearance of a small-town America that does not exist anymore."
Then look at the results of the Democratic candidate at the presidential election in St Marys. It's clear that traditional catholics don't support the welfare state !
Now this is actually correct. They just are, bottom line, international traditionalist Catholics, SSPX= Society of Saint Pius X. The society is known as a strong defender and proponent of the Tridentine Mass, along with pious practices, beliefs, customs and religious discipline often associated with the period before the Second Vatican Council, which the society believes promoted erroneous and heretical teachings, on matters such as the liturgical revision, ecumenism, freedom of religion, and relations with Jews and Judaism.

This is sort of the catholic ways that Mel Gibson believes in. SSPX believes Pope Francis to be a Modernist (which is not a good thing, to them). I think they are the best and most intellectual Catholic organization in the world. The keep to the timeless principles of the faith and move forward built on that grounding.
SSPX and NOT on welfare

Kansas City, KS

#13 Feb 6, 2015
Redneck wrote:
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They are NOT "just Catholics". They are a c-u-l-t!! Check out
what Rick Ross (cult expert) has to say about them!! They breed
like cockroaches, are rude, and never a man around; only mothers
with a ton of kids around. Their yards are junky and filled with
toys. No upkeep on the homes or yards. Rude, crude and socially
unacceptable.
The reason you "Never see a man around" is probably because he is at work, earning a living so he doesn't need this welfare money that everybody seems to think we are getting. As far as kids go, I believe that if a woman can be "pro-choice" and decide to abort and kill a child, she should also have the choice to instead bring that new life into the world, and that is none of your damn business. And as to the upkeep issue, I defy you to prove that any homes owned by Traditional Catholics are any worse than those owned by any other denomination. The housing in this area is known to have a lot of construction issues, but in general most people tend to keep thier yards looking decent. Cease your baseless and religiously intolerant views.
Family

Saint Marys, KS

#14 Apr 30, 2015
love alabama wrote:
Can someone tell me in detail what are your gripes about the SSPX presence in town?
How large is their presence in town? are they in the city government?
The SSPX are just Catholics.
Why the gripes?
Probably because others want to complain or find fault with other people. If a person is annoyed at something what is the first reaction--find someone to blame.
The SSPX parishioners are just like any other humans- some rich, some poor; some polite, some rude. They are not exempt from bad habits or bad examples but do strive to be good people.

As for the messy yards and homes in the town of St. Mary's it doesn't just fall on to the SSPX people. There are a number of non-Catholics who don't spend any time making their homes look decent.
SmallTown

Wamego, KS

#15 Nov 21, 2015
Family wrote:
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Why the gripes?
Probably because others want to complain or find fault with other people. If a person is annoyed at something what is the first reaction--find someone to blame.
The SSPX parishioners are just like any other humans- some rich, some poor; some polite, some rude. They are not exempt from bad habits or bad examples but do strive to be good people.
As for the messy yards and homes in the town of St. Mary's it doesn't just fall on to the SSPX people. There are a number of non-Catholics who don't spend any time making their homes look decent.
I love it that when I go to the grocery store in St.Marys & I see women with long modest dresses, no make up, hair a mess (they look like zombies) with 5-6 kids in tote while they are in line holding their food stamps.... I never knew what food stamps were until I started shopping at the St.Marys grocery store. Unfortunately these people qualify for state aid due to their "large" families.... Even if the father works on paper the amount he makes doesn't cover a 10 person family. They also all hold medical cards. True story..... Unfortunately I've worked with two girls who escaped and we're basically ex-communicated with by their family by their choice. Sad sad sad....especially since one girl I work with was required to hand over her entire check. There may be some nice families in that church but I've seen and heard to much. Sorry that I go to work, pay for my own health insurance, and don't need to live off the government ...
uuu

San Rafael, CA

#16 Dec 20, 2015
You anti SSPX people know very little about the original Catholic faith. If you did know it, you wouldn't be criticizing them.
A Catholic First

United States

#17 Mar 14, 2016
i can tell you this. My direct experience with the SSPX faithful was at first wonderful. I was completely amazed to see large "traditional" families. I was further amazed to see the sons of some of these families become Holy and Good Priests. I am a convert to the Catholic Faith. The first couple of years were spent getting to know many of the SSPX clergy and large families. Unfortunately, there is no real leadership within the organization. I say "real" because of the complete lack of respect for authority. As a result of the SSPX seperation from the whole of the Church, they are rightfully perceived as a dangerous cult. The faithful followers will counter this attack with, "the Early Church was once considered a 'cult' by Roman Authorities". And this is absolutely true of the Early Catholic Church. The difference is the Early Church lived in the catacombs and was hunted like animals. The Early Church most certainly did not hoard firearms or have any association to paramilitary groups.
There is a small segment of the so called "Society" that is dangerous. Unfortunately, the cream rises to the top and controls finances, public relations, and policy. The smaller segment of the truly poor and faithful within the ranks believe so much in the even smaller group of Holy priests that they only follow them. That means they typically do not attempt to 'fight' the power of the ruling elite within the "Society". As is true for most uneducated groups of believers, they are lambs led to slaughter by their so called "superiors".
As far as the socioeconomic conditions of some of the faithful of the SSPX, that can be said about poor family living in any city in America. In other words, leave the poor alone, they have enough to worry about. Or maybe offer them a better paying job or training to get that job.
This leads to the status of the Society schools and "colleges". Clearly these are run by the dangerous and moronic elite. Keep in mind that the highest educated priest in the Society does not have a modern education on purpose. Some of these men are brilliant. Some are quite frankly retarded in the truest sense of the word. This can be said for any profession of course. The most aggregious problem in the Society's education system is the lack of information. Consequently, they belive their own B.S. because they have little or nothing to compare it to.
Theologically both seminarian and layperson alike have a wealth of information regarding the faith. Unfortunately, that information stops at about 1958. Consequently, social issues facing the United States are often ignored. There is no discussion of the modern atrocity that is U.S. criminal justice, medicine, civil courts, or worse corrupt industry and politics. It is all chalked up to there is 'nothing new under the sun". As a result these men, these good priests have no advice for the faithful regarding these very real issue. "Don't watch T.V. and be faithful to your wife and children is the banner."
And this works great. Right up until daddy has to make a moral decision regarding whether to continue working for his company that was just bought out by ISIS or The Chinese, or worse a so called "novus-ordo" Catholic.
I love many people within The Society, priests and regular folk. I even still love some of the wretches. Well love is a strong word. I wouldn't want to suffer a meal at their home. I do want them to convert and go to heaven.
Which leads to the crux of the matter. Knowledgeable SSPX faithful KNOW that their priests are suspended adivinis. Consequently, their continued support of this group is problematic for their own souls. The priests should know better. But even in a time when they have truly won their war for the TLM(Tridentine Latin Mass) they still carry on as if they are the authority of the Church.
It is a slippery slope. And I know I almost fell off of it into a great pit of despair.
Rich green momo

Spring Hill, KS

#18 Nov 19, 2016
We ain't on food stamps get outta here?Where are u getting these false facts everybody here is hard workers too smh you don't understand cause u don't even live here Your essintialy being the equivalent to racist by putting all sspx members in st Mary's in 1 category and putting all these negatives comments
Crusaders42

Ashburn, VA

#19 Nov 19, 2016
Rich green momo wrote:
We ain't on food stamps get outta here?Where are u getting these false facts everybody here is hard workers too smh you don't understand cause u don't even live here Your essintialy being the equivalent to racist by putting all sspx members in st Mary's in 1 category and putting all these negatives comments
Thx rich green homo for giving some help and standing up for the people in St Mary's. Everybody thinks it's impossible to make enough money to support that many kids just cause they can't cause they're too lazy. I know from personal experience that it can be done. My dad is a hard worker and makes enough to support 9 kids as a pipe fitter. So hopefully some of u ppl will learn not to judge others and put them in your own low category.
SMA alumni

North Hollywood, CA

#20 Dec 10, 2016
Fassbender hater wrote:
Omg, thank u god I'm not the only person that sees this!!! Those "Catholics" in st Mary's are awful. Men are pigs women are so stupid with 9 kids and no self respect! Pathetic at best
I graduated from St. Mary's Academy and think it is very rude of you to use "Fassbender hater" as your username. The Fassbenders are a good family in St. Mary's and you have absolutely NO right to call the men in Saint Mary's pigs and the woman stupid because they have lots of children. That only shows your own rudeness. You say the Catholics in St. Mary's are pathetic at best, but I would rather say that your whole comment was pathetic at best.

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