Why is the Steelaway Schooner really ...

Why is the Steelaway Schooner really leaving?

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bubba131

Kingsland, GA

#1 May 22, 2013
That beautiful craft was a asset to St Marys and is now being forced to leave.
It is a attraction for downtown,
St Marys has tried for years to attract prople downtownand.

“Make St. Marys great again! ”

Since: Oct 10

St. Marys, GA

#2 May 22, 2013
Here's the GTU article.

http://jacksonville.com/news/georgia/2013-05-...

Notice that the city manager accepts it as an article of faith that it is incumbent upon the other 99% of us to support and fund every effort to
bring business to the few foolish dogs-in -the-manger known as the DMA who obstinately refuse to accept the obvious - that downtown St. Marys is not a legitimate tourist "destination" and is no longer viable as a commercial center.

Why do we of the other 99.9% not rise up against this crap?
really

Morganton, GA

#3 May 22, 2013
So what is the answer to making it a thriving area?
Goodby Steelaway

Saint Marys, GA

#4 May 22, 2013
"In a meeting in December, City Council members suggested establishing a minimum monthly fee for tall ships, which Stone said defeated the purpose of trying to attract them to the community."

I believe that freeloading statement sums it all up.

To think they could have also docked at Lang's and payed like us less fortunate tax payers.
Simplistic dolt

Cumming, GA

#5 May 22, 2013
If they were making any money, ain't no way they would be leaving. Honestly, I doubt their business plan is very good. It might possibly work somewhere closer to a large number of tourists, maybe Jekyll, St. Simons.

Dolphin cruises seem to do alright, and our family has chartered the Lady Jane a few times. The shrimp cruise works well for large groups, especially with kids. Not too sure about a sailing cruise.
Goodby Steelaway

Saint Marys, GA

#6 May 22, 2013
Simplistic dolt wrote:
If they were making any money, ain't no way they would be leaving. Honestly, I doubt their business plan is very good. It might possibly work somewhere closer to a large number of tourists, maybe Jekyll, St. Simons.
Dolphin cruises seem to do alright, and our family has chartered the Lady Jane a few times. The shrimp cruise works well for large groups, especially with kids. Not too sure about a sailing cruise.
"maybe Jekyll, St. Simons"

The key here is neither Jekyll nor St. Simon would allow the Steelaway permanent mooring at no cost.

Only the backwater visionaries of St. Marys would even consider such a ridiculous request.

Let me take that back, not consider but actually placed into effect for three years untilled called onto the carpet by their Bosses, the tax payers.
Montez Walker

Saint Marys, GA

#7 May 22, 2013
'Cause they cheap.

“Make St. Marys great again! ”

Since: Oct 10

St. Marys, GA

#8 May 22, 2013
really wrote:
So what is the answer to making it a thriving area?
The marketplace free of government interference or partnership.

In time, only businesses on St. Marys Street facing the river and right in the face of Cumberland visitors would survive, not thrive.

All of the other houses converted to half-assed, poorly planned businesses will soon be converted back into housing occupied by well heeled, "quaint"-loving sentimentalists with more money than brains.

The area will NOT decline.

If anything, when the old 900 to 1,000 square foot mill houses are demolished and replaced with much more valuable modern homes, the area will flourish.
Jorge

Kingsland, GA

#9 May 22, 2013
Moreno Jay wrote:
Here's the GTU article.
http://jacksonville.com/news/georgia/2013-05-...
Notice that the city manager accepts it as an article of faith that it is incumbent upon the other 99% of us to support and fund every effort to
bring business to the few foolish dogs-in -the-manger known as the DMA who obstinately refuse to accept the obvious - that downtown St. Marys is not a legitimate tourist "destination" and is no longer viable as a commercial center.
Why do we of the other 99.9% not rise up against this crap?
From the link: "Stone said there are large expenses already associated with docking a large ship. She said it cost about $1,500 every time she and her husband, John Fazzio, docked the schooner to offer free tours."

"$1500! BS. They offer tours when they are otherwise docking to take on water/take off trash/go shopping. Utter BS! Hasta la vista. A Dios. Vaya con Dios. Solo vaya!
Simplistic dolt

Cumming, GA

#10 May 22, 2013
Goodby Steelaway wrote:
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"maybe Jekyll, St. Simons"
The key here is neither Jekyll nor St. Simon would allow the Steelaway permanent mooring at no cost.
Only the backwater visionaries of St. Marys would even consider such a ridiculous request.
Let me take that back, not consider but actually placed into effect for three years untilled called onto the carpet by their Bosses, the tax payers.
I never understood what the target demographic or their marketing plan was in the first place. Romantic weekend? Cabin Bluff or Greyfield. Adventure on the water? Might as well hire a guide, and wet a hook at the same time. Or tell the guide you just want to ride around and look at stuff, maybe ride over to Cumberland and watch the horses.

Family outings, I've done some polling among our family, a reasonable demographic cross section, and Ledlie's Lady Jane scores highly among the critical 5-12 year old demographic. No demographic returned a negative response. We will charter them again, although I'm not sure when.

For marketing, referrals are key, and they've pissed off the rest of the potential client reffering waterman years ago. Dumb move.
navyeagle

Kingsland, GA

#11 May 22, 2013
Jorge wrote:
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From the link: "Stone said there are large expenses already associated with docking a large ship. She said it cost about $1,500 every time she and her husband, John Fazzio, docked the schooner to offer free tours."
"$1500! BS. They offer tours when they are otherwise docking to take on water/take off trash/go shopping. Utter BS! Hasta la vista. A Dios. Vaya con Dios. Solo vaya!
I agree that the amount is a gross overstatement.

“Make St. Marys great again! ”

Since: Oct 10

St. Marys, GA

#12 May 22, 2013
navyeagle wrote:
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I agree that the amount is a gross overstatement.
Do they require a tug to dock or what?
Goodbye Steelaway

Saint Marys, GA

#13 May 22, 2013
The marketing plan was to sell the notion to the City of St. Marys that they were in fact an asset. As an asset they could convince our backwater visionaries to provide free room and board. This ploy has been used by every broke scam artist traveling by road or water.
Robert Smith

Kingsland, GA

#14 May 22, 2013
I was thinking Tommy and Gene was a little hard on the issue.After reading Mrs.Stone's saying 1500.00 to dock. The boat has a weak desiel engine 1500.00 fuel at I'll say 5.00 a gallon. 300 gallons of fuel to drive 500 yards. They need to go green.
Simplistic dolt

Cumming, GA

#15 May 22, 2013
Jorge wrote:
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From the link: "Stone said there are large expenses already associated with docking a large ship. She said it cost about $1,500 every time she and her husband, John Fazzio, docked the schooner to offer free tours."
"$1500! BS. They offer tours when they are otherwise docking to take on water/take off trash/go shopping. Utter BS! Hasta la vista. A Dios. Vaya con Dios. Solo vaya!
Giving her the benefit of the doubt, she might have been talking about "opportunity cost" ie revenue they could have been earning instead of the free tours. Did they really book that many paying customers that the "free tours" cut in to their cash flow?
Jorge

Kingsland, GA

#16 May 22, 2013
The "free tours" was just a scam as an excuse to stay overnight at the city dock, preventing public access. Has anyone actually taken the "free tour?"
Tommy Weaver

Kingsland, GA

#17 May 22, 2013
per them over 250 everytime
navyeagle

Birmingham, AL

#18 May 22, 2013
Another gross exageration on thier part.
Steal Away Somewhere Else

Brunswick, GA

#19 May 22, 2013
Trust me, they didn't dock in St. Marys because St. Simons, Jekyll, or Fernandina were begging for their presence. They were here because they couldn't, or wouldn't, pay to dock at any one of those three other options. SSI, Jekyll, and Fernandina know how to make money off of waterfront attractions, and they were savvy enough to recognize the Steelaway for what it was.

Think about this for just a second...if Steelaway was such a "draw", why wasn't it in Savannah, Jax, Fernandina, Jekyll, or even SSI? You know, where the serious tourist dollars are?

Can't wait to see where it ends up next. Hard to find a local government as ignorant as the one that welcomed it here to begin with.

Wait...does the White House have a dock?
flip flop

Kingsland, GA

#20 May 23, 2013
Moreno Jay wrote:
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Do they require a tug to dock or what?
Yeah, they call one in from Fernandina Beach every time they need to load fuel and provisions. The city pays the fee up to three times a week.

But it only costs $4,000 per docking.

Are you the biggest idiot on Topix?

Yes, literally and figuratively.

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