Marion

Madison, WI

#22 Jul 15, 2010
Just think what would happen to the St Mary's city council.
chum

Madison, WI

#23 Jul 16, 2010
Where is Chip when we need him? Perhaps St. Marys could work a deal with him on a TAD for his "Laurel Island Paradise" provided he house and employ the "middle" of St Marys city council.

Since: Jul 10

St. Mary's

#24 Jul 23, 2010
Sir-Real wrote:
<quoted text>
That's the best idea I have heard all month. HaHa!
I would add that I have quite a few friends who live at Osprey Cove who do not support the ideology of the currently elected regime. They, too, would like to become citizens again instead of subjects. You know, a few bad apples can spoil the whole damned bunch. Osprey Cove is a very nice neighborhood with many decent people. Unfortunately, none of them ran for office!
I agree I have friends in the cove as well. Just thought I'd try to lighten the mood a bit. These topix forms are fun to read but they get a little heated from time to time.

Since: Jun 10

Norridgewock, ME

#25 Jul 23, 2010
blues in the night wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree I have friends in the cove as well. Just thought I'd try to lighten the mood a bit. These topix forms are fun to read but they get a little heated from time to time.
My wife had about a dozen of her friends over last Thursday evening. Seven of the ladies lived in Osprey Cove. Without exception, they expressed displeasure regarding the actions of the Osprey contingent on City Council. And they especially had nothing good to say about the Mayor.

Now I'm wondering how these people got elected.
Sir-Real

Saint Marys, GA

#26 Jul 23, 2010
In the July 16th, 2010 edition of the Tribune & Georgian, Letter To The Editor section, Mr. Joe Lucent states, "One city council member put it in perspective when he stated the "initial" investment represented $75 from every person in St. Marys." I have asked nearly everyone I have spoken to since then what they thought about the purchase and have been bombarded with refund requests. Therefore, I think what the city needs to do now is gather the supporters they have, collect the necessary funds, purchase the property from the city, and then donate the property back to the city. Once the city is made whole again, everyone will be happy.
Those who didn't want their tax dollars spent this way will have been reimbursed by those who can "afford" it, those who can "afford" it will have their public property, and we live in peace and harmony forevermore.
ronjo

Smithfield, ME

#27 Jul 23, 2010
Just read in todays issue of the Tribune & Georgian that the owners of a local watering hole and eatery are taking legal action against Councilman Trader. Maybe he will resign! Doubtful but one could wish.
Jay Moreno

Herndon, PA

#28 Jul 23, 2010
ronjo wrote:
Just read in todays issue of the Tribune & Georgian that the owners of a local watering hole and eatery are taking legal action against Councilman Trader. Maybe he will resign! Doubtful but one could wish.
Well, Back Row Buzzard, you must have eaten some bad meat (i.e., maggot-free). The article I read said the Brandons were going after Keith Post.
Jay Moreno

Herndon, PA

#29 Jul 23, 2010
By the way, while attending "St. Marys 101" last night, we went on a tour of the water park. The water park pays the very same water/sewer fees that you do at home into the water/sewer enterprise fund. So much for the contention that water/sewer fees are a "tax." Governmental entities do not tax themselves.
ronjo

Smithfield, ME

#30 Jul 23, 2010
Jay; thanx for the correction the four in the middle look and sound just alike to me. Sorry for the oversight.
Sir-Real

Saint Marys, GA

#31 Jul 23, 2010
So much for the contention that water/sewer fees are a "tax." Governmental entities do not tax themselves.
This reminds me of Bill Clinton's definition of is!

Since: Jun 10

Norridgewock, ME

#32 Jul 23, 2010
Sir-Real wrote:
In the July 16th, 2010 edition of the Tribune & Georgian, Letter To The Editor section, Mr. Joe Lucent states, "One city council member put it in perspective when he stated the "initial" investment represented $75 from every person in St. Marys." I have asked nearly everyone I have spoken to since then what they thought about the purchase and have been bombarded with refund requests. Therefore, I think what the city needs to do now is gather the supporters they have, collect the necessary funds, purchase the property from the city, and then donate the property back to the city. Once the city is made whole again, everyone will be happy.
Those who didn't want their tax dollars spent this way will have been reimbursed by those who can "afford" it, those who can "afford" it will have their public property, and we live in peace and harmony forevermore.
It is obvious that you are making light of the piddly $75 per person for the property. That amounts to about $200 per family, on average, in case anyone cares.

In my opinion, St. Marys has no business getting into a commercial enterprise of this magnitude in these difficult, economic times.

At the same time, the city is hiking the water rates 35%. In our house that amounts to about $30 per month.(The way the water tastes and smells, they should be PAYING us to drink it).

The City Council's tax and spend actions and this kind of attitude by the "elite class" are exactly the kinds of things that will keep this city divided and on the verge of class hatred for the foreseeable future.

This is not the St. Marys that I fell in love with. And just as in a marriage that is falling apart, what was once a love affair can quickly degrade to irreconcilable differences.
Jay Moreno

Herndon, PA

#33 Jul 23, 2010
ronjo wrote:
Jay; thanx for the correction the four in the middle look and sound just alike to me. Sorry for the oversight.
It was my pleasure :-).
Bill Graham

Saint Marys, GA

#34 Jul 24, 2010
This deal broke the law and needs to be sold. The money needs to be put back into the general fund
crab bait

Norridgewock, ME

#35 Jul 24, 2010
Bill Graham wrote:
This deal broke the law and needs to be sold. The money needs to be put back into the general fund
Hang in there, Reverend. The City Council is about to have so many hot potatoes to juggle that they can't help but get their hands burnt. This is going to get "velly intellesting". You've heard of reality TV? This will be "reality-reality".

Come early if you want a seat.
Bill Graham

Saint Marys, GA

#36 Jul 24, 2010
When is the next council meeting?
insider

United States

#37 Jul 26, 2010
hey jay: websters'
TAX-a due or fee levied on the members of an organization to meet expenses...it IS a tax...
Jay Moreno

Herndon, PA

#38 Jul 26, 2010
No, it is not. If it were,and you lived in the city limits but had your own deep well and a septic tank and were not connected to the city water or sewer, you would pay it anyway if it were a tax like the property tax. However, you would NOT becuase it is a user FEE, not a tax. If it were a tax, your payments would go into the general fund and could be used to pay ANY debt the city incurrs. However, the money you pay for water and sewer CAN NOT be entered into the genral fund, as a tax is. No, it is kept segregated in the water / sewer enterprise fund precisely because it is not a tax and can not be co-mingled with tax revenues.

Why are you so hell bent on promoting the lie that it is a tax - so that you can also promote the lie that the 35% increase was used to buy the Gilman property?

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#39 Jul 26, 2010
Jay Moreno wrote:
No, it is not. If it were,and you lived in the city limits but had your own deep well and a septic tank and were not connected to the city water or sewer, you would pay it anyway if it were a tax like the property tax. However, you would NOT becuase it is a user FEE, not a tax. If it were a tax, your payments would go into the general fund and could be used to pay ANY debt the city incurrs. However, the money you pay for water and sewer CAN NOT be entered into the genral fund, as a tax is. No, it is kept segregated in the water / sewer enterprise fund precisely because it is not a tax and can not be co-mingled with tax revenues.
Why are you so hell bent on promoting the lie that it is a tax - so that you can also promote the lie that the 35% increase was used to buy the Gilman property?
It's funny how the political leaders and the wannabes (like Jay) refer to taxes and tax increases........what are taxes and what are not.

For example, last year I received the city ad valorem tax bill for my home. It increased 43% over the previous year. I call that a tax increase. The city says we did not increase your taxes.(They say that because the city did not increase the millage). They did not have to when the stupid assessors are increasing the assessment appraisal on real property three years after the property values started DEPRECIATING.

My point is, that it just depends who is looking at the increase in the bill. Someone like Jay, who lives under a rock, doesn't have to worry about tax increases. I'm sure Jay would say the huge increase in the ad valorem tax bill was not an increase in my taxes. I'm sure nasty Deborah, goofy John, sweet Keith, tough Chuck and Joisey Bill would agree. But to me it is a tax increase.

The same applies to the water/sewer bill. It's a tax increase. But since Jay doesn't bathe, it's a wash. Ewwwwwwww!
Sir-Real

Saint Marys, GA

#40 Jul 26, 2010
crab bait wrote:
<quoted text>
It is obvious that you are making light of the piddly $75 per person for the property. That amounts to about $200 per family, on average, in case anyone cares.
In my opinion, St. Marys has no business getting into a commercial enterprise of this magnitude in these difficult, economic times.
At the same time, the city is hiking the water rates 35%. In our house that amounts to about $30 per month.(The way the water tastes and smells, they should be PAYING us to drink it).
The City Council's tax and spend actions and this kind of attitude by the "elite class" are exactly the kinds of things that will keep this city divided and on the verge of class hatred for the foreseeable future.
This is not the St. Marys that I fell in love with. And just as in a marriage that is falling apart, what was once a love affair can quickly degrade to irreconcilable differences.

Sorry. It was not my intent to make light of the $75. I agree with you regarding the purchase. It was Mr. Lucent's observation of it only costing $75/person. My point was that those who thought this a piddly amount should have chipped in, bought the property on their own, and donated it to the city if they thought it was such a great idea vs spending the the money of those of us who oppose the cities involvement and could use the $75 to pay our own bills.
insider

United States

#41 Jul 26, 2010
Jay Moreno wrote:
No, it is not. If it were,and you lived in the city limits but had your own deep well and a septic tank and were not connected to the city water or sewer, you would pay it anyway if it were a tax like the property tax. However, you would NOT becuase it is a user FEE, not a tax. If it were a tax, your payments would go into the general fund and could be used to pay ANY debt the city incurrs. However, the money you pay for water and sewer CAN NOT be entered into the genral fund, as a tax is. No, it is kept segregated in the water / sewer enterprise fund precisely because it is not a tax and can not be co-mingled with tax revenues.
Why are you so hell bent on promoting the lie that it is a tax - so that you can also promote the lie that the 35% increase was used to buy the Gilman property?
user fee huh....i was out of thown for 3 months had zero water usage during that time but still had a water bill of over 90 dollars...

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