Left Loses Big in Citizenship-Verification Supreme Court Case

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“Commander & Chef”

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Jun 18, 2013
 
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by J. Christian Adams

Something perverse happened after the Supreme Court’s decision today invalidating citizenship-verification requirements in Arizona for registrants who use the federal voter registration form. The Left knows they lost most of the battle, but are still claiming victory. That’s what they do. Election-integrity proponents and the states are saying they lost, but don’t realize they really won.

The Left wins even when they lose, and conservatives are often bewildered and outfoxed in the election-process game.

Earlier today, I called the decision a nothingburger. After re-reading the case and reflecting a bit more, it’s clear that the decision was a disaster for the Left and their victory cackles are hollow — and they know it.

Worse, conservatives dooms-dayers who have never litigated a single National Voter Registration Act case have taken to the airwaves, describing the case as a disaster which invites illegal-alien voting.

In the last year, I’ve litigated five NVRA cases and worked on the preemption issues for years, and there is more to cheer in today’s opinion than there is to bemoan. Those complaining about the opinion don’t understand what the Left’s goal was in this case: total federal preemption. On that score, Justice Scalia foiled them; indeed, the decision today was a huge war won, even if the small Arizona battle was lost.

From my time in the Justice Department Voting Section, I can remember intimately the wars over some of the preemption issues decided today.

The Left essentially believes that anyone who fills out a federal Election Assistance Commission registration form should be allowed on the rolls, no questions asked. There were complex fights over the “citizen check-off box” issues, with the Left wanting the box rendered meaningless, and conservatives and election-integrity proponents believing a registration cannot be processed until a registrant affirms on the box that he or she is a citizen.

Before the decision today, here is what the Left wanted:

&#9679; Invalidation of Arizona’s requirement that those submitting a federal form provide proof of citizenship with their federal form. Mind you, the citizenship-proof requirement is NOT part of federal law and the Election Assistance Commission does NOT require it in the form they drafted.

&#9679; Invalidation of state citizenship-verification requirements when a state voter registration form is used (yes, such forms exist separate from the federal requirement) on the basis of federal preemption. They wanted the Arizona case to invalidate all state citizenship-verification requirements.

&#9679; Automatic registration if a registrant submits a completed federal EAC approved registration form, no questions asked.

&#9679; Federal preemption on the ability for states to have customized federal EAC-approved forms that differed from the default EAC form.

&#9679; Federal preemption over states, like Florida and Kansas, looking for independent information on citizenship to root out noncitizens from the voter rolls. Again, the Left wanted the federal EAC form to be the no-questions-asked ticket to the voter rolls.

So what is the score on these five goals after Justice Scalia’s opinion today? Election-integrity advocates are batting .800; left wing groups,.200. And the most insignificant issue of the five is the one issue the Left won. Justice Scalia foiled 4 of 5 of their goals, and the 4 biggest ones.

How does it work? The decision today uncorks state power. The Left wanted state power stripped and they lost.

“Commander & Chef”

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Jun 18, 2013
 
First, Arizona can simply push the state forms in all state offices and online, and keep those federal forms in the back room gathering dust. When you submit a state form, you have to prove citizenship. Thanks to Justice Scalia, that option is perfectly acceptable. Loss for the Left. Victory for election integrity.

You might say,“That’s a small victory.” Nonsense. This was the whole ballgame to the groups pushing the Arizona lawsuit. They lost, period.

Next, when voters use a state, as opposed to a federal, form, they can still be required to prove citizenship. The federal form is irrelevant in that circumstance.

After the decision today, states have a green light to do double- and triple-checking even if a registrant uses the federal form. The Left wanted the submission of a federal form to mean automatic no-questions-asked registration. This is a big loss for the Left because now states can put suspect forms in limbo while they run checks against non-citizen databases and jury-response forms. Another significant victory in today’s decision. The Left wanted to strip them of that double-checking power.

The decision today is a great example of how conservatives can be distracted by squirrels running past. It is understandable and forgivable because they aren’t daily immersed in the long-term election-process agenda of the left-wing groups. Nor do they daily involve themselves with the details of election process. But having been in the “preemption wars” for nearly a decade, I can assure you this case is a big win, even if it doesn’t appear so at first glance.

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The news that the states don't have to automatically accept all of the information on the Federal form is huge. This means that there is nothing to prevent them from requiring additional proof that a person is, indeed, a citizen.
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Jun 18, 2013
 
I think the States should boycott all federal elections. They should conduct state and local elections only.

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Jun 18, 2013
 
Table wrote:
I think the States should boycott all federal elections. They should conduct state and local elections only.
Boycott the presidential election? The Electoral college would appoint a President.
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Jun 18, 2013
 
'nuff said.
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... In the last year, I’ve litigated five NVRA cases and worked on the preemption issues for years, and there is more to cheer in today’s opinion than there is to bemoan...
Here's hoping you get to cheer many more Left "losses" in the days and years ahead.

You believe in unicorns too, right?

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Here's hoping you get to cheer many more Left "losses" in the days and years ahead.
You believe in unicorns too, right?
The big deal here is that the states do not have to automatically accept the Federal Registration. They are allowed to further verify a prospective voter's citizenship.

Why are you NOT concerned that NON citizens might be trying to vote?
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Jun 19, 2013
 
Good question about why are people not concerned that non citizens should be allowed to vote!!!
The liberal group seems hell bent on devalueing a citizens vote. In some locations in the last election the total voters were 150% of the registered voters. But thats okay with the left as they care not about the principles involved, they care only if their canditate is elected....
They should be ashamed of themselves but of course they could care less if registered voters are trampled on.
Sign of the times sadly.
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Jun 19, 2013
 
Name three of those locations, Bubbles. Bet you can ride to them on a unicorn. ROFLMFAOWSMU.
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former democratic voter wrote:
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Give us a reputable site, not Faux News, Red State, etc., with a link to these stories please.

Also, how did all the prosecutions from all this fraud turn out? Links would be nice as well.

I don't seem to remember hearing any of it.

The only thing I recall hearing is nobody liked the Republican Savior Romney & Ryan. They lost by about 5-million popular votes if I recall and worse in the Electoral College.

Standing by for data, not innuendos.

I remain, Dubious in St. Marys
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I too am dubious of everythig I read. Howver it was in the paper but take that for what its worth..
With this government how could you not be.
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The big deal here is that the states do not have to automatically accept the Federal Registration. They are allowed to further verify a prospective voter's citizenship.
Why are you NOT concerned that NON citizens might be trying to vote?
I don't want to see voter fraud anymore than the next guy. But I sure as heck don't want millions in tax dollars spent year after year at the federal, state and county level on a non-problem. And that's exactly what "voter fraud" is, a statistical non-problem.

A quick internet search show an abundance of reputable reports such as this, "Out of the 197 million votes cast for federal candidates between 2002 and 2005, only 40 voters were indicted for voter fraud, according to a Department of Justice study outlined during a 2006 Congressional hearing. Only 26 of those cases, or about .00000013 percent of the votes cast, resulted in convictions or guilty pleas." That paragraph is from an ABC News report.

So sure, watch out for voter fraud, but DO NOT waste legislators time, election officials time, or million and millions of our tax dollars every two years on a problem that simply does not exist.

.00000013 is not a problem.
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former democratic voter wrote:
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Links to arrest, indictment and prosecution articles now please.

Otherwise, you're just a quack like all other Rethugs.
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I'm still waiting on Bubbles. He must be off roping unicorns.
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I don't want to see voter fraud anymore than the next guy. But I sure as heck don't want millions in tax dollars spent year after year at the federal, state and county level on a non-problem. And that's exactly what "voter fraud" is, a statistical non-problem.
A quick internet search show an abundance of reputable reports such as this, "Out of the 197 million votes cast for federal candidates between 2002 and 2005, only 40 voters were indicted for voter fraud, according to a Department of Justice study outlined during a 2006 Congressional hearing. Only 26 of those cases, or about .00000013 percent of the votes cast, resulted in convictions or guilty pleas." That paragraph is from an ABC News report.
So sure, watch out for voter fraud, but DO NOT waste legislators time, election officials time, or million and millions of our tax dollars every two years on a problem that simply does not exist.
.00000013 is not a problem.
You are quoting government statistics.
Sorry I believe ZERO of what the government reports.
Remember 5-6 years ago when government economic advisors said the "recession was over"? And what happened then? The worst depression since the 30's.
Sorry don't buy it..
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You are quoting government statistics.
Sorry I believe ZERO of what the government reports.
Remember 5-6 years ago when government economic advisors said the "recession was over"? And what happened then? The worst depression since the 30's.
Sorry don't buy it..
ah yes, another republican tin foil government conspiracy nutcase, yea, the government is evil and out to lock us in fema camps. how convenient discounting all scientific and government data, talk about less educated voters. hint: look inward to see why the republican party is shrinking, too many nutcases.
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ah yes, another republican tin foil government conspiracy nutcase, yea, the government is evil and out to lock us in fema camps. how convenient discounting all scientific and government data, talk about less educated voters. hint: look inward to see why the republican party is shrinking, too many nutcases.
And You think there sare no government conspiracy's?
Hmm how about the IRS targeting specific groups?
How about the lying about Benghazi?
How about the snooping on the press?
How about the constant lying?
Americans are losing their lives because of government incomptance and you just ignore it.
And you call me an uneducated voter.
Look inward pal...you are the kind of mentally handicapped individual that is destroying the nation as you completely ignore the facts stated above.
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former democratic voter wrote:
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Come on poster, you've been asked several times to provide links to back up your assertions. Put up or shut up time I'd say.
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Come on poster, you've been asked several times to provide links to back up your assertions. Put up or shut up time I'd say.
Answer the questions posed above in myprior posting
Put up or shut up

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