What you gun nuts look like to us nor...

“Commander & Chef”

Since: Sep 11

Saint Marys, GA

#122 Jan 28, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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I think you have just stumbled on the answer. We will require all teachers to carry non-firing, replica guns. In each school, we will train one teacher or administrator to carry a real weapon, or at least say that they are. We will not tell the public which teacher, if any, has the real weapon. Now, according to your theory, this will end all attacks on schools, but in case you are wrong, every teacher will be required to stand in the front of the classroom and wave his or her phoney weapon if the classroom is attacked. The attacker will then either commit suicide or become involved in shooting the teacher, thereby saving the lives of some children.
No one has claimed that it would end ALL attacks. Even your phony plan would reduce school shooting. Unless, that is, the word got out that there really were no guns at a particular school.

You are the one with the straw man argument about waving fake guns. In an attack on a school I would much rather even an untrained teacher have a real weapon to use. Incoming fire is a great distraction and hindrance to carrying out a plan of action.
Anon

Herndon, PA

#123 Jan 28, 2013
LonePalm wrote:
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No one has claimed that it would end ALL attacks. Even your phony plan would reduce school shooting. Unless, that is, the word got out that there really were no guns at a particular school.
You are the one with the straw man argument about waving fake guns. In an attack on a school I would much rather even an untrained teacher have a real weapon to use. Incoming fire is a great distraction and hindrance to carrying out a plan of action.
OK, Lone Ranger, I think we have seen the good, the bad, and the ugly of your plan to defend our children by arming teachers. We agree that we will never really know what might have been, but, do you think that, based on the facts that we now know, the Sandy Hook School massacre could have been prevented by any action, plan, or regulation being contemplated had it been in place at the time of the attack?

“Commander & Chef”

Since: Sep 11

Saint Marys, GA

#124 Jan 28, 2013
Anon wrote:
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OK, Lone Ranger, I think we have seen the good, the bad, and the ugly of your plan to defend our children by arming teachers. We agree that we will never really know what might have been, but, do you think that, based on the facts that we now know, the Sandy Hook School massacre could have been prevented by any action, plan, or regulation being contemplated had it been in place at the time of the attack?
Prevented? Maybe, maybe not.
Mitigated? Absolutely

It is not possible to know the inner workings of a deceased disturbed mind. I do know any way to know what he would have done had he believed that staff members at the school were armed. Perhaps he would have continued. Perhaps he might have settled for killing his mother and himself.

The recent history of mass shootings indicates that the shooters choose the locations precisely because they are unlikely to face armed resistance.

Do you think that an armed staff member would have saved lives at Sandy Hook? I do.
Cicero

Saint Marys, GA

#125 Jan 28, 2013
Mental health issues are the biggest part of the problem. You read and hear about all sorts of drugs that cause you to have sucicidal tendencies but no mention of homicidal tendencies. Almost all commit the homicides and then suicide. Also, if the concern was as strong against Obama as it is for those preaching gun control we might be addressing the real problem.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#126 Jan 28, 2013
Completely agree with LonePalm. If there were the threat of another armed "good guy" in the school, the idiot might have thought twice about attacking the school and the innocent children and adults in it. It's all about deterrence. You know, like the nuclear deterrents we have in Kingsbay? Not that we would use them but that we could use them is a great deterrent. Just as in armed personnel in our schools to protect the kids.
Mike

United States

#127 Jan 28, 2013
Really Not Yours wrote:
Completely agree with LonePalm. If there were the threat of another armed "good guy" in the school, the idiot might have thought twice about attacking the school and the innocent children and adults in it. It's all about deterrence. You know, like the nuclear deterrents we have in Kingsbay? Not that we would use them but that we could use them is a great deterrent. Just as in armed personnel in our schools to protect the kids.
Just a thought. Do people strapped with explosive care about deterrence?
Anon

Saint Marys, GA

#128 Jan 28, 2013
There is no prevention for crazy, but there is protection and handling.

“Commander & Chef”

Since: Sep 11

Saint Marys, GA

#129 Jan 28, 2013
Mike wrote:
<quoted text>Just a thought. Do people strapped with explosive care about deterrence?
We are not discussing radical Muslims in the Middle East.

From the way you phrased the question, obviously not.
Anon

Herndon, PA

#130 Jan 28, 2013
LonePalm wrote:
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Prevented? Maybe, maybe not.
Mitigated? Absolutely
It is not possible to know the inner workings of a deceased disturbed mind. I do know any way to know what he would have done had he believed that staff members at the school were armed. Perhaps he would have continued. Perhaps he might have settled for killing his mother and himself.
The recent history of mass shootings indicates that the shooters choose the locations precisely because they are unlikely to face armed resistance.
Do you think that an armed staff member would have saved lives at Sandy Hook? I do.
Do you think that your plan of arming teachers is the ONLY action, plan, or regulation being contemplated that might have prevented or mitigated the massacre or might prevent or mitigate future such disasters based on the facts as we now know them?

“Commander & Chef”

Since: Sep 11

Saint Marys, GA

#131 Jan 28, 2013
Anon wrote:
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Do you think that your plan of arming teachers is the ONLY action, plan, or regulation being contemplated that might have prevented or mitigated the massacre or might prevent or mitigate future such disasters based on the facts as we now know them?
ONLY? Of course not. If have NEVER suggested such a thing. That would be ridiculous.

I do think that it is a practical, effective, economical, and workable solution. It is certainly better that allowing our schools to remain unprotected shooting galleries for the mentally unstable the ALCU won't allow us to psychologically incarcerate.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#132 Jan 29, 2013
Mike wrote:
<quoted text>Just a thought. Do people strapped with explosive care about deterrence?
When did we start talking about people strapped with explosives? Anyway, yes, they just may think twice about walking in somewhere that has armed people there. Just as an armed gunman might think twice before walking in. My point was deterrence. Nothing will stop all determined lunatics/fanatics that have an overwhelming desire to kill. Look at the middle east. Heck, look right here in America. Deterrence is just what it is, DETERRENCE. It's not a fix all but it can be a fix most.
Mike

United States

#133 Jan 29, 2013
Really Not Yours wrote:
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When did we start talking about people strapped with explosives? Anyway, yes, they just may think twice about walking in somewhere that has armed people there. Just as an armed gunman might think twice before walking in. My point was deterrence. Nothing will stop all determined lunatics/fanatics that have an overwhelming desire to kill. Look at the middle east. Heck, look right here in America. Deterrence is just what it is, DETERRENCE. It's not a fix all but it can be a fix most.
And my point was that people hell bent on a mission will not be deterred.
beer maker

United States

#134 Jan 29, 2013
Mike wrote:
<quoted text>And my point was that people hell bent on a mission will not be deterred.
So you think we should just sit back and do nothing?

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#135 Jan 29, 2013
Mike wrote:
<quoted text>And my point was that people hell bent on a mission will not be deterred.
Then throw up your hands and give up! I won't sit back and let something bad happen if I can help it, will you?

That's what is wrong with America today, too many people would rather just sit back and do nothing.
Anon

Saint Marys, GA

#136 Jan 29, 2013
Forget about the gun control and start some crime control and address mental health issues. Because of the current non responsiveness to the mental health issues we need to have prevention. Protection at schools and public events is warranted. Just as fire alarms and sprinklers are necessary. In our school system the salries are incredible in some instances. Plus the administration is top heavy. There would plenty of funds for protection if there was fiscal control. If you go to a St.Marys Council meeting you are greeted by several cops. That is unnecessary. Granted we do have officers at some of our schools but not at the elementary. It appears the system has them for disciplinary reasons more than protection.
Sheeple Liberal Sicko

United States

#137 Jan 29, 2013
All law abiding citizens should give up their 2nd Amendment rights.

As for me I already have gotten rid of all my guns and protection. Now I'm just waiting for armed thugs and government agents to come and mug and rape me. I know they will be rough but I will beg them to be gentle and not hurt me too much. Being a sexually deprived liberal makes one want to take chances. Hope I don't have to wait too long for the big boys to come and rough me up a bit.

Why can't everyone be meek and submissive like me?
Pot House Politician

United States

#138 Jan 29, 2013
Anon wrote:
the salries are incredible in some instances. Plus the administration is top heavy. There would plenty of funds for protection if there was fiscal control.
When your number one cash crop is marijuana grow houses, local government councils and commissions need all the police protection they can muster. There is lots of money at stake here. However, we don't have enough left to protect the kids at school. Sorry.
Anon

Herndon, PA

#139 Jan 29, 2013
Anon wrote:
Forget about the gun control and start some crime control and address mental health issues.
Valid point. What should we do about the mental health issues? How should improve crime control?
Mike

United States

#140 Jan 29, 2013
beer maker wrote:
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So you think we should just sit back and do nothing?
What I think we should do is be smart about what we do. PS, Smart Ass!
Mike

United States

#141 Jan 29, 2013
Really Not Yours wrote:
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Then throw up your hands and give up! I won't sit back and let something bad happen if I can help it, will you?
do nothing.
Nope

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