More good news on the Gay front for America

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Camden Family Voter

Kingsland, GA

#1 Jun 22, 2013
Back home from work for the weekend, found this bit of good news for our country I thought I'd share with Topix readers who may have missed it.

In a nutshell, the oldest (37-years) and largest "Gay Conversion" organization is folding up shop. Seems the CEO, despite having been "cured" himself, still feels same-sex attraction and recognizes conversion therapy is a sham. Which is what the medical community has been saying for years and that being gay or lesbian is not a mental or medical disorder.

To his credit, the CEO did release a comprehensive 1,600 word apology to the gay community for all the hurt and damage he and his organization have caused over the years. I guess it's something.

Here is the article and link:

"A Christian group that claimed to "cure" gay people of same-sex attraction has announced it will close its doors for good.

Exodus International, which has been "curing" homosexuality since 1976, has apologized and acknowledged that the group "hurt" people.

President Alan Chambers published a statement titled "I Am Sorry" in which he admitted that he himself felt "ongoing same-sex attractions." He apologized for afflicting gay people with "trauma" and "the shame and guilt you felt when your attractions didn't change." However, Chambers wrote that he stands by his own Christian beliefs, even though he feels his group did wrong in claiming to cure gayness.

"It keeps talking about all the 'good' work they did being 'overshadowed' by a few bad apples," he said. "What part of trying to convince gay people that they could be cured by quack science was good?"

http://politix.topix.com/homepage/6640-gay-cu...
weenie washer

Kingsland, GA

#2 Jun 22, 2013
Camden Family Voter, thank you so much for helping in our cause. Maybe we can meet up and celebrate.
bubba131

Kingsland, GA

#3 Jun 22, 2013
weenie washer wrote:
Camden Family Voter, thank you so much for helping in our cause. Maybe we can meet up and celebrate.
Hmm someone may be getting some activity weenie wise..
Have fun with Camden Family Voter
Jolly Roger

Saint Marys, GA

#4 Jun 22, 2013
yeah, and he will go to hell with the rest of you

“Commander & Chef”

Since: Sep 11

Saint Marys, GA

#5 Jun 22, 2013
I am still trying to get someone to tell me something good and positive about homosexuality. So far no one has been able to tell me anything good.

I am not referring to positive things about individual homosexuals.
Angela

Lilburn, GA

#6 Jun 22, 2013
LonePalm wrote:
I am still trying to get someone to tell me something good and positive about homosexuality. So far no one has been able to tell me anything good.
I am not referring to positive things about individual homosexuals.
I seem to remember your keen interest in homosexuality a couple of weeks ago, LonePalm. I think you must have deep feelings about your sexuality that you have not resolved.

One good thing about it would be that it makes two homosexuals who come together happy and complete, just like when two heterosexual people come together. Maybe you should try it and you would finally feel complete.

“Commander & Chef”

Since: Sep 11

Saint Marys, GA

#7 Jun 22, 2013
Angela wrote:
<quoted text>I seem to remember your keen interest in homosexuality a couple of weeks ago, LonePalm. I think you must have deep feelings about your sexuality that you have not resolved.
One good thing about it would be that it makes two homosexuals who come together happy and complete, just like when two heterosexual people come together. Maybe you should try it and you would finally feel complete.
That is not something particular to homosexuality. What is one thing that is good about homosexuality? I am quite decidedly heterosexual and frankly do not understand homosexuality at all. I yet to have anyone, hetero or homosexual tell me ONE, just ONE, good thing particular to homosexuality.
Angela

Lilburn, GA

#8 Jun 22, 2013
LonePalm wrote:
<quoted text>
That is not something particular to homosexuality. What is one thing that is good about homosexuality? I am quite decidedly heterosexual and frankly do not understand homosexuality at all. I yet to have anyone, hetero or homosexual tell me ONE, just ONE, good thing particular to homosexuality.
Once again, you seem to be fascinated with homosexuality! Why does it have to be particular to homosexuals? They are the sane as everyone else, so why should there ve something particular to them? And, when did you " decide" that you are heterosexual? You didn't because you jusr "are". All the same....

“Commander & Chef”

Since: Sep 11

Saint Marys, GA

#9 Jun 22, 2013
I am interested because homosexuals are demanding, not asking or requesting, that the state recognize their union as a marriage with all of the attendant societal rights that go with marriage.
Angela

Kingsland, GA

#11 Jun 23, 2013
LonePalm wrote:
I am interested because homosexuals are demanding, not asking or requesting, that the state recognize their union as a marriage with all of the attendant societal rights that go with marriage.
Perhaps they are demanding because their rights are not being upheld. Why should gay couples not have the same rights and privileges as straight couples? If they are in a union together, they should have the same rights of survival, medical, insurance,etc. If you remember, Black people had to demand rights and women had to demand rights. If the right to be treated as any other human being is not given, then it must be demanded. Who are we to keep something we have and enjoy from others? I don't understand why people like yourself are so opposed to treating others with the same respect and dignity as you receive. It doesn't hurt you for a gay couple to be married and receive the privileges as you receive. Your answer is always that you want to know one good thing about being gay. That is asinine, in itself. What is one good thing about being straight? Can't you understand that, just as you did not choose your sexuality, a gay person didn't choose theirs either. We are all made by God the way we are. Some of us have birth defects, handicaps, etc. Some may not seem perfect in our eyes but all are perfect in God's eyes. Why not, today, on this Sunday, pray that God gives you the compassion to accept his children as he made them....just as you are accepted, give that acceptance to others.
samantha

Kingsland, GA

#12 Jun 23, 2013
well said Angela....
Camden Family Voter

Kingsland, GA

#13 Jun 23, 2013
LonePalm wrote:
<quoted text>
That is not something particular to homosexuality. What is one thing that is good about homosexuality? I am quite decidedly heterosexual and frankly do not understand homosexuality at all. I yet to have anyone, hetero or homosexual tell me ONE, just ONE, good thing particular to homosexuality.
To be truthful, I've never thought of homosexuality or heterosexuality as competitive personal traits requiring "one good thing" or another required. They are what they are and people are just people. However, perhaps if you tell us a good thing about either we'd understand what it is you're looking for and be able to answer your question.
watch out

Kingsland, GA

#14 Jun 23, 2013
When the Muslims finally take over the world, I bet no one will hear shit about demanding gay rights.

Off with their heads, every one.

“Commander & Chef”

Since: Sep 11

Saint Marys, GA

#15 Jun 24, 2013
Evidently the long post I made yesterday didn't get recorded. I will try again.

1. In demanding the state change its definition of marriage homosexuals are demanding place its imprimatur on their union.

2. No one's rights are being denied. Civil marriage is a creation of the state for its purposes and has been defined at the Federal level as being between one man and one woman. Religious marriage is defined by the adherents of a particular religion and not a subject of this discussion.

3. Why does the state approve of heterosexual marriage and not homosexual marriage? It does so because heterosexual marriage best serves the state's purpose. It is the best means of creating the next generation. It acts as a civilizing influence on young people no longer under the supervision of their parents. And it is the best situation for the rearing of young children?

4. If "because we want it" becomes the standard for allowing two or more individuals to marry, is it no longer possible to objectively define marriage. A subjectively defined law is no longer a law and becomes both meaningless and unenforceable.

5. Changing the definition of marriage would act to deny people with strong religious objections (not me) to homosexual marriage the free exercise of their religion under the First Amendment. I will cite several examples: Owners of a Bed & Breakfast could not refuse a homosexual couple. A baker could not refuse to make a wedding cake. And a private company or religious organization could not refuse spousal benefits. Each of these cases would force people with strong religious objections to act against their beliefs and further an institution they abhor. How can the state rationalize competing "rights"? It is simple. Do not create competing rights.

True rights do not depend on the action or approval of a third party or act to deny rights to others.
LonePalm Sux

Kingsland, GA

#16 Jun 24, 2013
LonePalm wrote:
Evidently the long post I made yesterday didn't get recorded.
Why don't you see if you can make that a trend.

Asshat
bubbles

Kingsland, GA

#17 Jun 24, 2013
Is it better than this news......well weather report?

Camden Family Voter

Kingsland, GA

#18 Jun 24, 2013
LonePlam: An interesting reply, unsurprisingly I do not agree with your opinions or assumptions. Knowing you'll not be changing your mind, I won't bother to argue each point. That said, just so you know, your last point defending individual citizens (i.e., the baker) and businesses the right to discriminate is grossly wrong. If each of us or each business were able to pick and choose which laws they'll abide by, we'd have chaos. For example, today a woman or a man of color can rent or purchase a home on any street in America without fear of discrimination because of sex or race. However, with your logic, if the selling homeowner felt the 1968 Fair Housing Law was one he did not agree with, he could openly discriminate and the prospective purchaser would have no recourse against the seller for said discrimination. The country would cease to function if each of us had that ability. We are a "nation of laws" after all.

Regardless our respective opinions, with same sex marriage legal for over ten years and now in a dozen or so states, I'd say it's time has come. And whether it takes 1 year or 20, I don't see any other outcome.
Alfie

Kingsland, GA

#19 Jun 24, 2013
Camden Family Voter wrote:
LonePlam: An interesting reply, unsurprisingly I do not agree with your opinions or assumptions. Knowing you'll not be changing your mind, I won't bother to argue each point. That said, just so you know, your last point defending individual citizens (i.e., the baker) and businesses the right to discriminate is grossly wrong. If each of us or each business were able to pick and choose which laws they'll abide by, we'd have chaos. For example, today a woman or a man of color can rent or purchase a home on any street in America without fear of discrimination because of sex or race. However, with your logic, if the selling homeowner felt the 1968 Fair Housing Law was one he did not agree with, he could openly discriminate and the prospective purchaser would have no recourse against the seller for said discrimination. The country would cease to function if each of us had that ability. We are a "nation of laws" after all.
Regardless our respective opinions, with same sex marriage legal for over ten years and now in a dozen or so states, I'd say it's time has come. And whether it takes 1 year or 20, I don't see any other outcome.
Legalized buggery in a dozen or so states?

“Commander & Chef”

Since: Sep 11

Saint Marys, GA

#20 Jun 24, 2013
Would you please address #4 above?

If you allow the definition of marriage to be anything other than one man and one woman, how do you then prevent it from being "anything goes"?
Angela

Marietta, GA

#21 Jun 24, 2013
What else could it be? Please don't throw in bestiality. There is no comparison.

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