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“Master o Public Administration”

Since: Oct 10

St. Marys, GA

#21 Jan 30, 2013
However, it was a damned sight more economical than buying all of the parts for a Rolls Royce over time then finally assembling the vehicle.
Telling it like it is

Woodbine, GA

#22 Jan 30, 2013
It was a stupid idea. Now its costing everyone in St. Marys. You are too stupid to see that because you are going to agree with everything Chuck says. Quit sucking and come up for air.

“Master o Public Administration”

Since: Oct 10

St. Marys, GA

#23 Jan 30, 2013
No, I'm stating the obvious ( to all but Tea Party a-holes thinning ut the competition for the municipal elections). Based upon the actual and projected rates of growth at the time and the design selected, it made more sense to build all the anticpated needed capacity at one time. Had the projected developemnt occurred, the council would have beeen hailed as "visonary."

There were those, notably Sandy Feller, who cauationed against over-optimism.

In retrospect, it would have been better to chose a modular design that would have been easy to add on to as the needs increased.

However, the real estate folks had their man on council, Gary Blount and they had come to believe their own rosy projections. Blount, a real estate developer himself, made converts of enough council people to get it built.
Anon

United States

#24 Jan 30, 2013
Moreno Jay wrote:
However, the real estate folks had their man on council, Gary Blount and they had come to believe their own rosy projections. Blount, a real estate developer himself, made converts of enough council people to get it built.
I was unaware of this. What was some of his developments?
Cheech and Chong

United States

#25 Jan 30, 2013
What about the St Marys marijuana grow houses? What development were they in?
Anon

United States

#26 Jan 30, 2013
How much of the corruption in Camden County is in the county government? It would appear that property tax assessments and the commission would be a ripe area for corruption to hiding.
If It LOOKS like a DUCK

United States

#27 Jan 30, 2013
Moreno Jay wrote:
However, the real estate folks had their man on council, Gary Blount and they had come to believe their own rosy projections. Blount, a real estate developer himself, made converts of enough council people to get it built.
Did Camden County Commissioner Gary Blunt vote for the reduction of impact fees for developers while on the Camden County Commission? If so and if he is a developer, isn't that a conflict of interest???? Come on folks, lets call a spade a spade.
New Resident

United States

#28 Jan 30, 2013
wow wrote:
I think I might be a part of the Cartel and didn't even know it. Come to think of it, I don't think most of my friends know it either. Scary.
Weren't you the slimmy SOB with the phoney grin that slapped me on the back last week at the monthly meet and greet clubhouse.
Really

Saint Marys, GA

#29 Jan 30, 2013
New Resident wrote:
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Weren't you the slimmy SOB with the phoney grin that slapped me on the back last week at the monthly meet and greet clubhouse.
Maybe, were we discussing how to move our clubhouse over to the Gilman boat house property? Cocktails, sunsets, and spending tax payers monies.
Insider Miss Drew

United States

#30 Jan 31, 2013
Much of the corruption in Camden County is the manner in which property is assessed and taxed.

Facts do not Change

United States

#31 Jan 31, 2013
Really wrote:
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Exactly Right
We had stand-up citizens that voiced their opposition to that expansion. After many cocktail
evenings with real estate cartel members the city council made up their minds and the door was shut.
Gambling on speculation with tax payers money was our new path.
When was the decision made to spend another $40,000,000.00 and water and sewer expansion. More important, how much has St Marys spent on water and sewer expansion since 1978? Also look at who was on the City Council when these decisions were made.
Chamber Of Horrors

United States

#32 Jan 31, 2013
Insider Miss Drew wrote:
Much of the corruption in Camden County is the manner in which property is assessed and taxed.
I would agree and add that in Camden County personnal and family connections are more important that the law.

Notice the candidates for Probate Judge. For the most part the same old families are running their kin no matter how ignorant they may be. It is the same old mill town arrogant scheme of getting your man or women in key government positions: then we will tell them what to do. A relutance to change, that is what is killing Camden County. No large business or company would put their financial future at the mercy of the yahoos running this most corrupt county in the most corrupt state in the U.S.

“Master o Public Administration”

Since: Oct 10

St. Marys, GA

#33 Jan 31, 2013
Anon wrote:
<quoted text>I was unaware of this. What was some of his developments?
I'm heading out now. If I remember, I'll swing by some townhosues he built. Not sure what the name is. I'llsee.
Unnamed Elected Official

United States

#34 Jan 31, 2013
Moreno Jay wrote:
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I'm heading out now. If I remember, I'll swing by some townhosues he built. Not sure what the name is. I'llsee.
Would you just respond on another thread and let this one die. This thread is getting too close to home and it's embarrassing.
Anon

United States

#35 Jan 31, 2013
Just so we don't get off track. Real estate development, or property development, is a multifaceted business, encompassing activities that range from the renovation and re-lease of existing buildings to the purchase of raw land and the sale of improved land or parcels to others. Developers are the coordinators of the activities, converting ideas on paper into real property.[1] Real estate development is different from construction, although many developers also construct. Developer Louis Lesser drew the distinction in a 1963 New York Times article, "Developing is the key word.'We don't build ourselves', Mr. Lesser stresses.'We buy the land, finance the deal, and then we have the best builders build under bond at a fixed cost.'"[2]

Developers buy land, finance real estate deals, build or have builders build projects, create, imagine, control and orchestrate the process of development from the beginning to end.[2] Developers usually take the greatest risk in the creation or renovation of real estate—and receive the greatest rewards. Typically, developers purchase a tract of land, determine the marketing of the property, develop the building program and design, obtain the necessary public approval and financing, build the structure, and lease, manage, and ultimately sell it.[1] Developers work with many different counterparts along each step of this process, including architects, city planners, engineers, surveyors, inspectors, contractors, leasing agents and more. from wikipedia
How it really works

United States

#36 Jan 31, 2013
Well, well lets hear more about the cosy relationship between government officials and the use of tax payers money to run sewer and water lines to these developments. Lets hear more about the tax breaks and lowering of impact fees puting the cost of development on the backs of existing homeowners. Tell us about the kickbacks and bribes.

You leave out all of the corruption and crony capitalism.
Viet Vet

United States

#37 Jan 31, 2013
And to think I spent many years in WESTPAC defending a government of crooks and fools. Disgusting is too mild a word. People who allow such government corruption are deserving of no better.
803 Alexander

Chickamauga, GA

#38 Aug 5, 2014
And one innocent body makes his home in a federal prison. Retribution, I believe.
Muck Raker wrote:
You want to know just how corrupt St Marys is and has been. Must reading: "Democracy and The Good Life In a Company Town," by Peter Schuck and Harrison Wellford, Harpers 1972, Google www.harpers.org/archive/1972/05/0022467 . This is neither the beginning nor the end. Lots more buried bodies in St Marys; some lying on top of the ground. Look around and educate yourselve.
Old Timer

Saint Marys, GA

#39 Aug 6, 2014
Harpers Helper wrote:
St Marys is an intricate web of economic and financial relationships where political loyalty is the sine qua nom. The main tool of the "ruling elites" and special interest are ignored conflicts of interest. In order to preserve its monopoly on political power the "elites" actively discourages new employers from location into the area. Yet St Marys boasts a municipal airport that would be the envy of many larger towns. The St Marys Chamber of Commerce is completely inactive.
St Marys citizens are it's indentured servants fleeced and controlled by high and unequal property tax and high water and sewer fees. St Marys citizens live under a government where checks and balances vital to democracy havae been overwhelmed by centralized economic power. The local political machine maintains power via its agents in govenment and via tax agreements between the city and the political machine.
Agents of the ploitical machine may include members of Council or tax assessors who "serve" without a conscience. Taxation policy and politics run hand in hand. Special tax breaks for the "politically powerful" are the rule rather than the exception.
"Elites" under no uncertian terms will let you know that it's no body else's business how they run "their " town.
The financial power has shifted its focus from the mill culture but the political machine remains intact. The financial focus is now on the newly annexed sub-divisions where the sheep, "financial targets of oportunity," are sheared via high property tax and high water and sewer fees. Note - the special tax breaks for the wealthy large land owners and protected special interest remain intact.
To live in St Marys one must give up cherished political and legal freedoms. The city is run on civic pride born of paternalism.
The results are demoralized citizaens ruled by mistrust, fear dispair and resignation. Why fight when the game is rigged.
Read the article the above is just a summary.
Now we can see where the JDA fits into Camden County's political machine. The real estate cartel is the framework upon which the local governments work their schemes.

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