Steelaway is not leaving Part 1

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John Fazzio Anne Stone

Jacksonville, AL

#1 Apr 20, 2013
ommy Weaver, Gene Hope and your associates:

First may we say we're sorry you don't like us, there's a lot of people we don't care for either, yet we try not to badmouth them behind their backs, nor slander them in public.

We arrived in St. Marys September, 2009 and anchored up the the river, past Lang' west and on the eastern edge where there was deep water. During a visit to shore, we were asked by the city manager, Bill Shanahan, if we would consider extending our stay. He felt, along with other city officials, we would be a great tourist attraction and good asset to the community. We agreed to stay. In the presence of Bilaal Muhammad, the City Marshal at the time, Bill Shanahan the City Manger and a department head whose name we will not disclose as he still holds that position, on September 30, 2009, we requested to pay for water, even though we were informed it was free. Bill Shannahan agreed and in the referred to company above, called Ms. Jennifer Brown and set it up such that we could pay for water. We made our first payment that day. After this, you all continued to instigate and aggravate all sailing vessels use of water at the waterfront and you all continue to do so with your slander about us not paying for water.
Diagnosis and treatment for cancer took up the year, 2010 and the first third of 2011.
In July of 2011, we approached the City Council for permission to host Free, Open to the Public Educational Tours of our traditional sailing vessel, Schooner Steelaway. A motion was made and unanimously approved for us to conduct these tours, using city docking spaces for 'Maritime Related Activities'. Go pull the minutes and see for your selves. We were asked to purchase an Occupational Tax Certificate, which we did and continue to do each year. Nothing else was asked of us.
In mid-April 2012, due to interest to take rides on a traditional sailing vessel, we tested the waters for possibly setting up a business using our vessel for Scenic, Pleasure Cruises. At this time we purchased a comprehensive insurance policy with oil pollution liability, protection and indemnity, uninsured watercraft, medical payments, longshore and harbor workers' compensation and an attachment that covers sinking of the vessel at city owned properties. The additional insured name is “City of St. Marys”. This policy is current, paid in full and due for renewal in September 2013.
Since April, 2012 we have run less than a dozen pleasure cruises. This is not due to lack of interest. Our Free educational tours are just that...FREE. It has been wonderful to see the smiles and thrill the children have when visiting our vessel. We would like to continue doing this.
We do not pollute. We have an Icinolet which electrically burns waste, solid and liquid. We do pump our grey water overboard. This is legal. It consists of dish water and shower water.
We maintain fire, sinking and security watch and 99% of the time someone is on board because we have machinery in operation and running. Because of our size there are different regulations imposed by the USCG, who is our authority. Go read the rules.
We swing on the Fl1 mooring buoy, permitted by and located in Florida, in excess of nine months of the year. The remainder of the time is spent in Georgia.
We are a Federally Documented Vessel and our port of call is in Louisiana. We are still awaiting a ruling from the state officials of Georgia as to what our tax liabilities are. Bureaucracy is not swift.
For over a year we have sought out and pushed for a docking use agreement with the City of St. Marys, GA, involving a fee. We continue to await something we can look over and sign, if it is acceptable. Until there is an ordinance in effect, which requires the City Council approval, we cannot pay any kind of docking fee, we have tried. The one time we managed to get a payment through, it was rescinded. It simply is not legal for us to pay anything until the City Council makes a decision.
Anon

Enfield, IL

#2 Apr 20, 2013
Go back to where you came from you free loading, Yankee bums. You are only here because you are broke and this is the only idiotic city that won't run you off. Yet! Gene and Tommy are much more liked than you. Tread lightly bums
filthy crabber

Dornsife, PA

#3 Apr 20, 2013
I'm serious Gene Hope about the waxed crab bait boxes you throw in the water. I have been picking them up in Borrell Creek for 6 years. I have a half dozen of your bait boxes from the last couple of months.

I will take them to Chris Hodge and file an official complaint. If he won't help, I'll go up the line.

You better clean your act up. I'm done with it.
Contender Sunrise

Dornsife, PA

#4 Apr 20, 2013
John Fazzio Anne Stone wrote:
ommy Weaver, Gene Hope and your associates:
First may we say we're sorry you don't like us, there's a lot of people we don't care for either, yet we try not to badmouth them behind their backs, nor slander them in public.
We arrived in St. Marys September, 2009 and anchored up the the river, past Lang' west and on the eastern edge where there was deep water. During a visit to shore, we were asked by the city manager, Bill Shanahan, if we would consider extending our stay. He felt, along with other city officials, we would be a great tourist attraction and good asset to the community. We agreed to stay. In the presence of Bilaal Muhammad, the City Marshal at the time, Bill Shanahan the City Manger and a department head whose name we will not disclose as he still holds that position, on September 30, 2009, we requested to pay for water, even though we were informed it was free. Bill Shannahan agreed and in the referred to company above, called Ms. Jennifer Brown and set it up such that we could pay for water. We made our first payment that day. After this, you all continued to instigate and aggravate all sailing vessels use of water at the waterfront and you all continue to do so with your slander about us not paying for water.
Diagnosis and treatment for cancer took up the year, 2010 and the first third of 2011.
In July of 2011, we approached the City Council for permission to host Free, Open to the Public Educational Tours of our traditional sailing vessel, Schooner Steelaway. A motion was made and unanimously approved for us to conduct these tours, using city docking spaces for 'Maritime Related Activities'. Go pull the minutes and see for your selves. We were asked to purchase an Occupational Tax Certificate, which we did and continue to do each year. Nothing else was asked of us.
In mid-April 2012, due to interest to take rides on a traditional sailing vessel, we tested the waters for possibly setting up a business using our vessel for Scenic, Pleasure Cruises. At this time we purchased a comprehensive insurance policy with oil pollution liability, protection and indemnity, uninsured watercraft, medical payments, longshore and harbor workers' compensation and an attachment that covers sinking of the vessel at city owned properties. The additional insured name is “City of St. Marys”. This policy is current, paid in full and due for renewal in September 2013.
Since April, 2012 we have run less than a dozen pleasure cruises. This is not due to lack of interest. Our Free educational tours are just that...FREE. It has been wonderful to see the smiles and thrill the children have when visiting our vessel. We would like to continue doing this.
We do not pollute. We have an Icinolet which electrically burns waste, solid and liquid. We do pump our grey water overboard. This is legal. It consists of dish water and shower water.
We maintain fire, sinking and security watch and 99% of the time someone is on board because we have machinery in operation and running. Because of our size there are different regulations imposed by the USCG, who is our authority. Go read the rules.
We swing on the Fl1 mooring buoy, permitted by and located in Florida, in excess of nine months of the year. The remainder of the time is spent in Georgia.
We are a Federally Documented Vessel and our port of call is in Louisiana. We are still awaiting a ruling from the state officials of Georgia as to what our tax liabilities are. Bureaucracy is not swift.
Enough of the bullying from these social rejects (TW, GH and gang). They make a living from the marine environment. They better learn to share the resource and shut their mouths. The community is sick of it.
Logic

Saint Marys, GA

#5 Apr 20, 2013
Steelaway, why do you waste your time on Topix? Just ignore the handful of chronically-weird "people" on here. You and your vessel are welcome in St. Marys.
Anon

Herndon, PA

#6 Apr 20, 2013
Contender Sunrise wrote:
<quoted text>
Enough of the bullying from these social rejects (TW, GH and gang). They make a living from the marine environment. They better learn to share the resource and shut their mouths. The community is sick of it.
Does it make you feel tough to talk bad about a disabled man that expresses his opinion? At least Tommy will use his name. Tommy is anything but a social reject. Grow a pair and say it too his face. The Steelaway is nothing more than a welfare squatter.
Simple Truth

Kingsland, GA

#7 Apr 20, 2013
Mr. Lang would be happy to take your money as would most yacht basins along the local intercoastal waterway.
Anon

Herndon, PA

#8 Apr 20, 2013
They don't have any money or they would be at a marina not free loading off the city.
Contender Sunrise

Dornsife, PA

#9 Apr 20, 2013
Anon wrote:
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Does it make you feel tough to talk bad about a disabled man that expresses his opinion? At least Tommy will use his name. Tommy is anything but a social reject. Grow a pair and say it too his face. The Steelaway is nothing more than a welfare squatter.
You are one of the loser gang too, I guess. I would be happy to tell Tommy to his face. But i know him to be such a hot head that he would probably punch me. That would not be good for either of us.

If you guys are bothered by the Steel Away, I suggest you take it to St. Andrews or St. Simons Sounds. The community is sick of you malcontents. Get lost.
Jorge

Herndon, PA

#10 Apr 22, 2013
This "quid pro quo" of free docking and free trash pickup etc in return for tourism promotion appears to meet the IRS definition of bartering. Has St Marys filed the value of these services on a 1099-B or 1099-Misc? Has Steelaway declared this income?
St Marys Official Asshat

Kingsland, GA

#11 Apr 22, 2013
Jorge wrote:
This "quid pro quo" of free docking and free trash pickup etc in return for tourism promotion appears to meet the IRS definition of bartering. Has St Marys filed the value of these services on a 1099-B or 1099-Misc? Has Steelaway declared this income?
huh - whats a 1099-B or 1099-misc?
flip flop

Dornsife, PA

#12 Apr 22, 2013
The document for reporting value of bartering or miscellaneous sources of income to the IRS.

Jorge = asshat? Yes.
Rick Davis

Saint Marys, GA

#13 Apr 23, 2013
Contender Sunrise wrote:
<quoted text>
Enough of the bullying from these social rejects (TW, GH and gang). They make a living from the marine environment. They better learn to share the resource and shut their mouths. The community is sick of it.
Now look what you said "They make a living from marine enviroment"
Now how would you feel if the goverment was trying to take away part of your ways of feeding your family? For a few rejectsthat pay no taxes.
I work out on base and will start getting paid 32 hours because of the freeloaders in the country.
I will soon feel the pain so cant blame them for fighting for their source of income.
The way I see it they are only asking for the sailboats to pay their fair share.
I have owned a house here for 8 yrs I have a 24 foot Angler can I go and tie up to the dock for weeks and not be asked to move it.
IDK

Riverview, FL

#14 Apr 23, 2013
Maybe Congress and welfare recipients should have one days pay per week deducted from their checks. One group doesn't accomplish anything while they're at work, and the other, they don't have the desire to work.
City Council and Friends

Kingsland, GA

#15 Apr 23, 2013
Rick Davis wrote:
<quoted text>
Now look what you said "They make a living from marine enviroment"
Now how would you feel if the goverment was trying to take away part of your ways of feeding your family? For a few rejectsthat pay no taxes.
I work out on base and will start getting paid 32 hours because of the freeloaders in the country.
I will soon feel the pain so cant blame them for fighting for their source of income.
The way I see it they are only asking for the sailboats to pay their fair share.
I have owned a house here for 8 yrs I have a 24 foot Angler can I go and tie up to the dock for weeks and not be asked to move it.
Apparently you work, pay more than a fair share of tax, don't attend the elites martini partys, or care about the opening of a new boutique or more tourism. In other words the City Council will look at you as an outsider and they will find a way to keep you away from the "special dock".
horse to water

Dornsife, PA

#16 Apr 23, 2013
Rick Davis wrote:
<quoted text>
Now look what you said "They make a living from marine enviroment"
Now how would you feel if the goverment was trying to take away part of your ways of feeding your family? For a few rejectsthat pay no taxes.
I work out on base and will start getting paid 32 hours because of the freeloaders in the country.
I will soon feel the pain so cant blame them for fighting for their source of income.
The way I see it they are only asking for the sailboats to pay their fair share.
I have owned a house here for 8 yrs I have a 24 foot Angler can I go and tie up to the dock for weeks and not be asked to move it.
I hate to jump into the fray, but I have read the comments and I have a position.

Fishermen are a different breed. They reap the fruits of Mother Earth, but unlike the farmer who has to invest large amounts of money in: land, clearing the land, buildings, equipment, seeds/sets/plants, harvesting, storage, transportation equipment. And then if it doesn't rain, he is out of luck.

The fisherman on the other hand does not have to lift a finger for the bounty to grow and be ready to harvest. Granted, the fisherman must buy a boat and fishing gear, but not the land and all the equipment, buildings, etc. The fisherman doesn't have to worry about the rain. He just has to go out and harvest the catch. If the catch is scarce, chances are it is because he has over-fished the resource.

Reading these entries reveals that one of the complaints is that the fishermen throw trash in the environment. That is troubling to me. It is like saying, "Thank you Mother Earth" and then slap her in the face.

In your case, Rick, I feel for you. I remember when I worked as a civilian for DOD and just finished building my first home. I had hardly gotten unpacked when I got a 60 day RIF Notice. "Out the gate", it said.

You know, Rick, this sequester is President Obama's doing. Even with Sequester, the Government has 1 1/2% more revenue this year to work with than last. Your president is trying to make a point. He will not be denied. And he is going to make everyone miserable (except for the freeloaders) because he is not getting his way. You will get through it.

To wrap this up, you guys are worrying about the minutia when you worry about the sailboats. The Steel Away is your obvious complaint. What about the Gilman boathouse? What about the huge sewage treatment plant that we are all going to have to pay for? What about the paper mill site that is bringing in less than 1/4 the tax revenue it was intended to bring in? The sailboats are chicken feed.

And who is complaining about the sailboats? The guys who work for themselves, doing what they love doing, harvesting seafood from a resource they don't even have to seed. But they just have to keep bitching about the sailboats. Worrying about a few hundred dollars like street urchins.

You too, Rick. Why do you want to put your 24' Angler in the water to tie it up to the city dock? Why don't you go fishing or to the beach? If you bought your gas from Nat Wilson, he would let you tie up at Lang's East for free to go get lunch or a cold beer.

I'm sorry, you all come across to me like a bunch of whiners. Get over it.
Rick Davis

Saint Marys, GA

#17 Apr 23, 2013
I just try to pay my bills and don't use our boat near the amount as Gene and Tommy. We would love to go fishing more.

What I don't understand is why we all can't see the reason the city spent a million plus to let 1 rust bucket to tie up there for free.
Last weekend we went and ate crab-cakes in Fernandina and walked downtown and seen a boat like the STEEL AWAY but it was all wood it was out in harbor and they have to pay to stay and it wood be alot better draw than the STEEL AWAY is
Tommy Weaver

Saint Marys, GA

#18 Apr 23, 2013
horse to water wrote:
<quoted text>
I hate to jump into the fray, but I have read the comments and I have a position.
Fishermen are a different breed. They reap the fruits of Mother Earth, but unlike the farmer who has to invest large amounts of money in: land, clearing the land, buildings, equipment, seeds/sets/plants, harvesting, storage, transportation equipment. And then if it doesn't rain, he is out of luck.
The fisherman on the other hand does not have to lift a finger for the bounty to grow and be ready to harvest. Granted, the fisherman must buy a boat and fishing gear, but not the land and all the equipment, buildings, etc. The fisherman doesn't have to worry about the rain. He just has to go out and harvest the catch. If the catch is scarce, chances are it is because he has over-fished the resource.
Reading these entries reveals that one of the complaints is that the fishermen throw trash in the environment. That is troubling to me. It is like saying, "Thank you Mother Earth" and then slap her in the face.
In your case, Rick, I feel for you. I remember when I worked as a civilian for DOD and just finished building my first home. I had hardly gotten unpacked when I got a 60 day RIF Notice. "Out the gate", it said.
You know, Rick, this sequester is President Obama's doing. Even with Sequester, the Government has 1 1/2% more revenue this year to work with than last. Your president is trying to make a point. He will not be denied. And he is going to make everyone miserable (except for the freeloaders) because he is not getting his way. You will get through it.
To wrap this up, you guys are worrying about the minutia when you worry about the sailboats. The Steel Away is your obvious complaint. What about the Gilman boathouse? What about the huge sewage treatment plant that we are all going to have to pay for? What about the paper mill site that is bringing in less than 1/4 the tax revenue it was intended to bring in? The sailboats are chicken feed.
And who is complaining about the sailboats? The guys who work for themselves, doing what they love doing, harvesting seafood from a resource they don't even have to seed. But they just have to keep bitching about the sailboats. Worrying about a few hundred dollars like street urchins.
You too, Rick. Why do you want to put your 24' Angler in the water to tie it up to the city dock? Why don't you go fishing or to the beach? If you bought your gas from Nat Wilson, he would let you tie up at Lang's East for free to go get lunch or a cold beer.
I'm sorry, you all come across to me like a bunch of whiners. Get over it.
i think everyone that voted to buy the Gilman dock should be voted out.

Since: Dec 11

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#19 Apr 24, 2013
Tommy Weaver wrote:
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i think everyone that voted to buy the Gilman dock should be voted out.
You will have your chance this November. The seats of Post, Morrissey, Howell, and Deloughy will be on the polling block.
Jorge

Herndon, PA

#20 Apr 24, 2013
Nan-zilla wrote:
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You will have your chance this November. The seats of Post, Morrissey, Howell, and Deloughy will be on the polling block.
Yes! Shame on them. If we re-elect, then shame on us.

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