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School Teacher

Kingsland, GA

#22 Jun 30, 2013
former democratic voter wrote:
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So our children and grand kids are saddled with debt because of Bush Cheney??
Is it or is it not true that the deficit has TRIPLED during Obama's first term.
Answer YES or NO !!
Are our chidren and grandkids now saddled with repaying this debt?
YES or NO ??
And they must have counted those Florida Votes 15 times and every time Gore lost...
Where do you people come from that refuse to face reality?
Sorry for the delay, I spent the morning fishing with the kids.

In any case, here are the answers to your questions, although you won't like them. Perhaps you should consider research before posting in the future. Also, try to avoid mixing apples and oranges. In this case, you've asked about the national debt as well as the deficit, a distinction lost on many people.

Question 1: So our children and grand kids are saddled with debt because of Bush Cheney??
Answer: Yes, they are, plus the national debt Bush started office with which was $5.7 trillion dollars. When Bush left office the national debt was $10.6 trillion dollars. That is an increase of 85.9 percent. Obama started with $10.6 trillion dollars in national debt. At the end of his first term the debt was $16.4 trillion dollars. That is a 54.7 percent increase.

Question 2: Is it or is it not true that the deficit has TRIPLED during Obama's first term. Answer YES or NO !!
Answer: No, it is not true. For 2009, Obama's first year, the federal deficit was $1.4 trillion dollars. For 2010, 2011 and 2012, it was $1.3,$1.3 and $1.1 respectively.

Question 3: Are our chidren and grandkids now saddled with repaying this debt? YES or NO ??
Answer: Yes, they are, but so are you and I.

In summary, percentage wise Republican Bush did far more damage to our national debt than Democrat Obama. We'll see what it is overall when Obama is out of office. Just FYI, if you adjusted Ronald Reagan's spending, he's even worse than Bush having nearly tripled the national debt. Which, considering most all economic data points, it's clear Republicans and their policies are very damaging to our country. And that's why I'm a proud Democrat. You should considering changing parties for the good of the nation.
Mirror Mirror

Brunswick, GA

#23 Jun 30, 2013
School Teacher wrote:
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Sorry for the delay, I spent the morning fishing with the kids.
In any case, here are the answers to your questions, although you won't like them. Perhaps you should consider research before posting in the future. Also, try to avoid mixing apples and oranges. In this case, you've asked about the national debt as well as the deficit, a distinction lost on many people.
Question 1: So our children and grand kids are saddled with debt because of Bush Cheney??
Answer: Yes, they are, plus the national debt Bush started office with which was $5.7 trillion dollars. When Bush left office the national debt was $10.6 trillion dollars. That is an increase of 85.9 percent. Obama started with $10.6 trillion dollars in national debt. At the end of his first term the debt was $16.4 trillion dollars. That is a 54.7 percent increase.
Question 2: Is it or is it not true that the deficit has TRIPLED during Obama's first term. Answer YES or NO !!
Answer: No, it is not true. For 2009, Obama's first year, the federal deficit was $1.4 trillion dollars. For 2010, 2011 and 2012, it was $1.3,$1.3 and $1.1 respectively.
Question 3: Are our chidren and grandkids now saddled with repaying this debt? YES or NO ??
Answer: Yes, they are, but so are you and I.
In summary, percentage wise Republican Bush did far more damage to our national debt than Democrat Obama. We'll see what it is overall when Obama is out of office. Just FYI, if you adjusted Ronald Reagan's spending, he's even worse than Bush having nearly tripled the national debt. Which, considering most all economic data points, it's clear Republicans and their policies are very damaging to our country. And that's why I'm a proud Democrat. You should considering changing parties for the good of the nation.
So...in 8 years, the deficit under Bush II went up 4.9 trillion; in 4 years under Obama, it went up 5.8 trillion. Correct? Those are your numbers, but unless I'm mistaken, the deficit increase under Obama is more than double, and still counting, what it was under Bush.

That's the funny thing about numbers. They can be twisted and re-arranged so that they don't look all that bad. Same with the unemployment rate; number of people on "social programs"; and the deficit.

Playing with numbers; that's how car salesmen make a living.

The GAO tends to be an unbiased evaluation of the financial health of the nation, as well as the long-term cost of government programs. Their forecast for the future is nowhere near as rosy as yours.

The democrats are all about big government, unions, and public sector employees...all of whom they court with good salaries and good benefits.

It comes as no surprise then, to know that you are a devoted democrat.
Mirror Mirror

Brunswick, GA

#24 Jun 30, 2013
Excuse me..."debt", not "deficit". Altough it is largely semantics. Deficit contributes to debt.
bubba131

Saint Marys, GA

#25 Jun 30, 2013
School Teacher wrote:
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Sorry for the delay, I spent the morning fishing with the kids.
In any case, here are the answers to your questions, although you won't like them. Perhaps you should consider research before posting in the future. Also, try to avoid mixing apples and oranges. In this case, you've asked about the national debt as well as the deficit, a distinction lost on many people.
Question 1: So our children and grand kids are saddled with debt because of Bush Cheney??
Answer: Yes, they are, plus the national debt Bush started office with which was $5.7 trillion dollars. When Bush left office the national debt was $10.6 trillion dollars. That is an increase of 85.9 percent. Obama started with $10.6 trillion dollars in national debt. At the end of his first term the debt was $16.4 trillion dollars. That is a 54.7 percent increase.
Question 2: Is it or is it not true that the deficit has TRIPLED during Obama's first term. Answer YES or NO !!
Answer: No, it is not true. For 2009, Obama's first year, the federal deficit was $1.4 trillion dollars. For 2010, 2011 and 2012, it was $1.3,$1.3 and $1.1 respectively.
Question 3: Are our chidren and grandkids now saddled with repaying this debt? YES or NO ??
Answer: Yes, they are, but so are you and I.
In summary, percentage wise Republican Bush did far more damage to our national debt than Democrat Obama. We'll see what it is overall when Obama is out of office. Just FYI, if you adjusted Ronald Reagan's spending, he's even worse than Bush having nearly tripled the national debt. Which, considering most all economic data points, it's clear Republicans and their policies are very damaging to our country. And that's why I'm a proud Democrat. You should considering changing parties for the good of the nation.
Your math is incorrect..
When Bush left office the deficit was over 4 trillion now its in the neighborhood of 17-18 trillion.
I find the exact opposite to be true as I believe the democrats have damaged this nation almost beyond repair. For the good of the nation I think you should change parties.Think of your kids.
Catch any fish? I fished off my dock this morning and caught 3 nice trout....they will be cooking soon.
We will never agree as we have different standards for good government.
School Teacher

Kingsland, GA

#26 Jun 30, 2013
bubba131 wrote:
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Your math is incorrect..
When Bush left office the deficit was over 4 trillion now its in the neighborhood of 17-18 trillion.
I find the exact opposite to be true as I believe the democrats have damaged this nation almost beyond repair. For the good of the nation I think you should change parties.Think of your kids.
Catch any fish? I fished off my dock this morning and caught 3 nice trout....they will be cooking soon.
We will never agree as we have different standards for good government.
No offense, but my math is not "incorrect" as you say, I am a teacher after all.

FYI, the Treasury Department maintains a website called, Debt to the Penny. You enter a historical date and it provides the debt on that date. For Bush, I provided the information earlier, but here it is again:

He took office Jan 20, 2001. National debt: 5,727,776,738,304.64 ($5.7 trillion)

He left office Jan 20, 2009. National debt: 10,626,877,048,913.08 ($10.6 trillion)

That's a 54.7 percent increase.

My debt numbers provided earlier for President Obama are and were also correct as well.

While we may not agree on politics, we should never have a problem agreeing on a fact.
School Teacher

Kingsland, GA

#27 Jun 30, 2013
Correction: Bush's debt increase was 85.9 percent, not 54.7 percent (which was Obama's). Sorry.
bubba131

Saint Marys, GA

#28 Jun 30, 2013
Let me state the question again.
Did he or did he not promise to cut the budget deficit?
Yes or no?
Did he cut the deficit?
Yes or no?'
The subject of this Topix was lying
Mirror Mirror

Brunswick, GA

#29 Jun 30, 2013
So, Bush went from 5.7 to 10.6. In 8 years.

An increase of 4.9 trillion.

Again, in 8 years.

Obama went from 10.6 to 16.4. In 4 years.

An increase of 5.8 trillion.

Again, in 4 years.

It took Obama 4 years to run up more debt than Bush did in 8. You can have your "percentage points"...I'm more concerned about dollars. That's how debt is measured.

You should know that...after all, you are a teacher, right?

Thus, the difference between "real math", and "fuzzy math".

So if we're going to compare numbers, let's keep it real.
former democratic voter

Saint Marys, GA

#30 Jun 30, 2013
bubba131 wrote:
Let me state the question again.
Did he or did he not promise to cut the budget deficit?
Yes or no?
Did he cut the deficit?
Yes or no?'
The subject of this Topix was lying
Bubba is correct. The subject is lying.
Did he or did he not promise to cut the budget TWICE.
And as long as the subject is Republicans lying.
Did Clinton go on nationa TV and say he did not have as affair with Monica?
Did Clinton lie? Yes or no? Is he a democrat? Yes or no?
If he lied then democrats lie
Mirror Mirror

Brunswick, GA

#31 Jun 30, 2013
Let's say you let your spouse manage the credit cards. When you got married, you had a joint credit card debt of $10,000. After eight years, the debt is now $18,590. Alarmed at this increase in debt (85.9%), you take over management of the household credit accounts. Four years later, your credit card debt is now $28,758. An increase of ONLY 54.7%.

In the first eight years, your debt went up $8590.

In the next four years, it went up $10,168.

More than twice the debt, in half the time.

Your spouse, in this case, would be completely justified in hitting your over the head with a frying pan.

That's why percentage points don't work here.

Nor does "ObamaMath".
Bubba131

Saint Marys, GA

#32 Jul 1, 2013
Still waiting for an answer from Teacher, Taxman or NFL guy about whether or not Obama lied about the deficit and Clinton lied to the public about his affair.
The topic was More Republician Lies
Seems they refuse to acknowledge that democrats lie..
Wowow

Kingsland, GA

#33 Jul 1, 2013
All I know is my ears are still burning from all the Bush-Cheney Republican lies. Like said the other day, if their lips were moving, they were lying.

But back to the first & original post of this thread, Republican's are lying with claiming credit for the Senate's recent immigration reform bill. That bill, BTW, was not too bad and did provide a path to citizenship which most sensible Americans want to happen. But that's a topic for another day & thread.
Bubba131

Saint Marys, GA

#34 Jul 1, 2013
And they are not burning from all the democratic lies?/
You have selective hearing and selective morals
Bubba131

Saint Marys, GA

#35 Jul 1, 2013
Still nothing fromTaxman, Teacher or NFL guy.
Strange
anon

Kingsland, GA

#36 Jul 1, 2013
Bubba131 wrote:
Still nothing fromTaxman, Teacher or NFL guy.
Strange
you single handedly keeping this thread alive to embarrass republicans about the lying senate republicans or what? your doing a darn good job.
bubba131

Saint Marys, GA

#37 Jul 1, 2013
anon wrote:
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you single handedly keeping this thread alive to embarrass republicans about the lying senate republicans or what? your doing a darn good job.
No I dont think so..
Just trying to get an honest answer from the prior posters admitting that democrats LIE.
Its amazing how they will not admit it.
They don't even admit Clinton LIED.
Unbelievable..VERY unmanly.
anon

Kingsland, GA

#38 Jul 1, 2013
bubba131 wrote:
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No I dont think so..
Just trying to get an honest answer from the prior posters admitting that democrats LIE.
Its amazing how they will not admit it.
They don't even admit Clinton LIED.
Unbelievable..VERY unmanly.
ok i'll admit it, democrats lie, clinton lied, but you gotta admit bush-cheney took the cake in lying, now please quit harping about the lying senate republicans and let this old dog posting go to sleep, no one but you is posting anymore anyways.
bubba131

Saint Marys, GA

#39 Jul 1, 2013
anon wrote:
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ok i'll admit it, democrats lie, clinton lied, but you gotta admit bush-cheney took the cake in lying, now please quit harping about the lying senate republicans and let this old dog posting go to sleep, no one but you is posting anymore anyways.
I do NOT admit that Bush lied more than anyone else.
At least some democrat finally admitted that democrats lie too.
Go to sleep

“Commander & Chef”

Since: Sep 11

Saint Marys, GA

#40 Jul 1, 2013
Both sides here are comparing apples to oranges.

A more meaningful comparison would be total new debt divided by time in office. In that case the smaller number would be better. Technically you should also index for inflation but that has been so low it is not really be a factor.

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