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Highland Park nursing home to close Dec. 31; 150 jobs lost

There are 26 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Oct 20, 2010, titled Highland Park nursing home to close Dec. 31; 150 jobs lost. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

St. Paul-based Franciscan Health Community said this morning it plans to close its St.

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RIOT

Madison, WI

#3 Oct 20, 2010
tax tax tax wrote:
Actually it was linked to at least 50 fires (only one have multiple fatalities). Ship the old people to ND, they need people and they are a drag on our tax system.
Where they know how to take care of their families and friends who are elderly. The drag on our tax system are people like you. Get a grip.
Fausto

Ashburn, VA

#4 Oct 20, 2010
Generally speaking, this is a symptom of too much government intervention in health care. Not the fire regulations per se, but other stuff related to government policy.
curious

Minneapolis, MN

#7 Oct 20, 2010
An over 2:1 patient to staffer ratio is curious.
Did they have special needs clients or something? Seems awfully high. Also very curious it comes on the heels of closure of so many local parishes. But then the word "Federal" was mentioned, and it all made more sense.
Metanoia

Saint Paul, MN

#8 Oct 20, 2010
curious wrote:
An over 2:1 patient to staffer ratio is curious.
Did they have special needs clients or something? Seems awfully high. Also very curious it comes on the heels of closure of so many local parishes. But then the word "Federal" was mentioned, and it all made more sense.
"An over 2:1 patient to staffer ratio" isn't at all out of line when you consider 1)the clients are indeed special needs--they are elderly and can't live on their own; 2)staffing must continue 24/7; and 3) staffers includes nurses, nursing assistants, food service staff, maintenance staff, etc., etc.

And closing St. Mary's has nothing to do with the Archdiocesan reorganization. Read the article--it gives you the reasons they are closing.
New Guy on the Block

Centerville, KS

#9 Oct 20, 2010
curious wrote:
An over 2:1 patient to staffer ratio is curious.
Did they have special needs clients or something? Seems awfully high. Also very curious it comes on the heels of closure of so many local parishes. But then the word "Federal" was mentioned, and it all made more sense.
The 150 jobs lost do not belong to only nurses or aides. There are administrators, janitorial and housekeeping staff, kitchen staff, physical and occupational therapists..... the list goes on. As far as nursing staff is concerned, there are 21 eight hour shifts per week, and the place has 3 or 4 floors. Nurses work 5 eight hour shifts per week, and get paid holidays and vacation time, just like everyone else. Do the math.
Dog

Minneapolis, MN

#10 Oct 20, 2010
tax tax tax wrote:
Actually it was linked to at least 50 fires (only one have multiple fatalities). Ship the old people to ND, they need people and they are a drag on our tax system.


The thing about life I like best is that mean dummies like you will be old and in need of help some day. What goes around, comes around.
curious

Minneapolis, MN

#11 Oct 20, 2010
Metanoia wrote:
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"An over 2:1 patient to staffer ratio" isn't at all out of line when you consider 1)the clients are indeed special needs--they are elderly and can't live on their own; 2)staffing must continue 24/7; and 3) staffers includes nurses, nursing assistants, food service staff, maintenance staff, etc., etc.
And closing St. Mary's has nothing to do with the Archdiocesan reorganization. Read the article--it gives you the reasons they are closing.
I read the article. It was poorly written. Federal law and a deck? What??
I have never worked in a nursing home, so I don't know how many staffers to patients the ratio typically is. I didn't attack anyone (aside from our meddling, too-large, over-involved Federal government.) It was asked in earnest. Typical Topix attack mode responses. Hooray.
curious

Minneapolis, MN

#12 Oct 20, 2010
New Guy on the Block wrote:
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The 150 jobs lost do not belong to only nurses or aides. There are administrators, janitorial and housekeeping staff, kitchen staff, physical and occupational therapists..... the list goes on. As far as nursing staff is concerned, there are 21 eight hour shifts per week, and the place has 3 or 4 floors. Nurses work 5 eight hour shifts per week, and get paid holidays and vacation time, just like everyone else. Do the math.
I'm glad you mentioned the word "administrators" and that is exactly why I asked the question. In the college system, there is something like a 3:1 ratio of students to "administrators/staffers. " An absolute explosion of paper pushers in other words in the last couple of decades. I was kind of wondering if the same had happened in nursing homes, and how much of that had to do with Federal law/mandates. "Do the math." Jerk.
Bruce

United States

#13 Oct 20, 2010
Both of my parents were cared for at St. Mary's, my mother for two plus years and my father for a few weeks, until they passed away. They even celebrated their 50th anniversary in the facilites chapel. St. Mary's staff included nurses and aides from Liberia, Central America and the U.S. I doubt that any of them were illegals and even if they were they gave excellent care. The 2:1 ratio is really quite low when you consider each patient receives 24/7/365 care.

The facility may be old and some updates are needed, but you wouldn't find a finer, more caring place. I know this as we tried a couple of other facilities prior to St. Mary's. At these places we encountered under staffing, rude staff, theft and abuse of patients. And these were highly reccommended facilities that were newer.

To the people who berate the facility, their staff and the cost associated with caring for the elderly, may you end up in one of the other facilities we tried. You deserve it.

“Wher's dem turkey necks?”

Since: Dec 08

Palm Desert, CA

#14 Oct 20, 2010
My mother's last days were at St. Mary's after it was determined she would not be able to return to her apartment. The staff was concerned and caring and most of all very informative to our family as to her deteriorating condition.

To these idiot, dimwits who make smarta.ss remarks, your time will come.
Mee

Greenwood, MS

#15 Oct 20, 2010
Fausto wrote:
Generally speaking, this is a symptom of too much government intervention in health care. Not the fire regulations per se, but other stuff related to government policy.
The article said a big reason is less government funding. Fire codes, elevator codes etc. tend to be for the good of the residents. Something tells me if the cost of coming to code is that high they were likely in pretty poor shape to begin with.
Duh

Chesterfield, MO

#16 Oct 20, 2010
Nursing homes kill people.....caring for your elderly parents is YOUR job! you owe it to them.
clarification

Minneapolis, MN

#17 Oct 20, 2010
Mee wrote:
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The article said a big reason is less government funding. Fire codes, elevator codes etc. tend to be for the good of the residents. Something tells me if the cost of coming to code is that high they were likely in pretty poor shape to begin with.
One dirty little secret of the Feds: they sometimes write laws which benefit those most able to meet their mandates, and those who cannot come up with the cash fall by the wayside. But it's for everyone's "safety." Right?
clarification

Minneapolis, MN

#18 Oct 20, 2010
Duh wrote:
Nursing homes kill people.....caring for your elderly parents is YOUR job! you owe it to them.
Yeah, quit your jobs and let your kids raise themselves!
Having witnessed elderly relatives' health deteriorate, there are not enough hours in the day if you are working to take care of them as well. Add to that specialty care for specific ailments, and family is sometimes literally not able to provide what they need any longer. This is just another reason why its so hard to put them into a nursing home to begin with. The WANT to be able to care for their parents/grandparents, but just are no longer able to. It becomes overwhelming very quickly.
tmack

Buffalo, MN

#19 Oct 20, 2010
Lordy lordy, what are the Somalians and Jamaicans gonna do for a job?
Stifflers Mom

Melrose Park, IL

#20 Oct 20, 2010
Duh wrote:
Nursing homes kill people.....caring for your elderly parents is YOUR job! you owe it to them.
Easy for a male to say. Many women do the majority of caretaking for both parents and children and work too, without a lot of help from men.
Mark

Madison, WI

#21 Oct 20, 2010
Great job, Feds and its fans. Another casualty of big government meddling. But it's all about the patients and their healthcare, isn't it? Right....
Agree

Saint Paul, MN

#22 Oct 20, 2010
Duh wrote:
Nursing homes kill people.....caring for your elderly parents is YOUR job! you owe it to them.
They certainly aren't that healthy due to the fact that most nursing aids now working in them are males. Having men take care of vulnerable elderly women is very unnatural. These places do their best to cover up incidents also since they are all about profit despite being called 'nonprofit'. It is up to you if you want your parent at the mercy of strangers.
hmmmm

Minneapolis, MN

#23 Oct 21, 2010
The reality is we have excess NF capacity in MN. Most people choose to stay at home rather than go to a nursing home these days (for as long as possible). There are also a lot of other alternatives such as assisted living that appeal to people more. NF basically have two functions - people at the end of their life who are so frail they need 24-hour nursing and rehab. Most NF stays are short-term these days. It's not a loss that some of these older, obsolete, dangerous buildings are closing.
In the Know

Saint Paul, MN

#24 Oct 21, 2010
tmack wrote:
Lordy lordy, what are the Somalians and Jamaicans gonna do for a job?
No Jamacans at St. Mary's

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