O-E to vote on merger again

O-E to vote on merger again

There are 141 comments on the Gloversville Leader-Herald story from Nov 24, 2012, titled O-E to vote on merger again. In it, Gloversville Leader-Herald reports that:

Voters in the Oppenheim-Ephratah Central School District will go to the polls Dec.

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Community Action

Speculator, NY

#1 Nov 25, 2012
Please come out on December 11,2012 and Vote " NO "to save the community of OE from the irresponsible Board of Education and the Worthless Administration.The community deserves better representation and a school in its community. The Board of education and administration believes we do not need jobs and real property values.All the adminstration wants is higher taxes and more money to support there cause a high payed retirement payed for by the community/taxpayer.
Thank You,The OE Community
yea

Fort Plain, NY

#2 Nov 25, 2012
Community Action wrote:
Please come out on December 11,2012 and Vote " NO "to save the community of OE from the irresponsible Board of Education and the Worthless Administration.The community deserves better representation and a school in its community. The Board of education and administration believes we do not need jobs and real property values.All the adminstration wants is higher taxes and more money to support there cause a high payed retirement payed for by the community/taxpayer.
Thank You,The OE Community
OMG? Really? How are the teachers getting paid without a school?
Foot toot

Canajoharie, NY

#3 Nov 25, 2012
The property values where there is a viable school system.(merger) will be higher than they would be with NO school system (school closing). Merge money from the State = lower taxes over an extended period of time vs. taxes steadily going up to try to save sinking school...reference "O-E Faces Budget Gap," in the Leafer-Herald newspaper, 11/25. Your arguments don't hold any merit whatsoever anymore. I hope for the sake of everyone in that community that previous no voters have finally seen the writing on the wall, and that they vote with their brains & not their emotions (charged by the fear & intimidation of the anti-merge propaganda crowd) this time, in favor of a merged District. If not, everyone will sit back and watch the school's inevitable demise. St. Johnsville is in much better shape financially and with what its offerings are, so they will at least be able to explore other options if they so choose. OE, however, won't have a choice in their destiny. Very sad to think about!
YESmonster

Saint Johnsville, NY

#4 Nov 26, 2012
Well it looks like the yesers are goona get their way, VOTE YES you nimrods!!!
No monster

Schenectady, NY

#5 Nov 26, 2012
YESmonster wrote:
Well it looks like the yesers are goona get their way, VOTE YES you nimrods!!!
OMG stop, vote no. The school will be better than ever as soon as we get back to the one room schoolhouse. And if you dont like it , punch a cop.
Merger trash

Speculator, NY

#6 Nov 27, 2012
The Oppenheim ephratah cs needs a new accountant.Dan Russom told the Leader herald that the school had a 784,000 shortfall for this year. How can you have a shortfall if you have 1.5 million in capital gains funds no one checks up on the school.The school was audited in june they had to move this money to the the reserve funds so they could show a loss. When the budget was voted down. The lies are catching up with Dan Russom the school is not broke it needs new management. The community is watching the lies unfold get out and vote and save our school vote NO we the community deserve a school which we have supported and payed for for many years.
Dan

Fort Plain, NY

#7 Nov 27, 2012
Trash talk, that is all nice information you have there about all this extra money and of course blaming everyone as usual. We are sick of the talk already, now show us your facts that you speak of. Don't tell us again in another nonsense post, prove this information. The LH can get the audit info and can prove a false story, so why don't they? Or is it only you with this fairy tale information? Just prove it is all we ask.
Thank you
Enough

Gloversville, NY

#8 Nov 27, 2012
please reread the Leader Herald story. I'm sure it says that the school s facig a budget shortfall for next year. They have started to work on the budget for the 2013-2014 school year. This means thattaxes will have to go up or cuts will have to be made. This type of incorrect information and comprehension is what leads to false information. Rerad aticles carefully and then form opinions. Please do not spread misinformation.
Enough

Gloversville, NY

#9 Nov 27, 2012
sorry about typos. they should read "school is facing" , and "reread" article. shouldn't type so fast.
Zing

Saint Johnsville, NY

#10 Nov 27, 2012
Dan; what goes on behind closed doors is usually corruption of some sort. MT could probably show truth to what they post but I'm sure there is some sort of counteract story to prove the opposite. Then it all goes back to which side does one want to believe. I think the points being made represent more of how things have been run and how some are still willing to just follow along like blind sheep going over a cliff. I know that in many post I made(when all this 1st started) I backed them up only to be called a lier, so IMO if something is posted on here and one is interested maybe they should do some research for themselves. Actual research not talking down at the local pub or with their buddies on the BOE. One of the easiest ways to show how bunked this merger is, is with simple math, what is being offered and what the cost will be doesn't even come close to running the schools let alone provide for a stable future. With this merge are we looking into a future that our communities can support? Every merge that I've seen(and yes I've seen a few) the smaller community ends up forgotten about and turns into a waste land, but they still get the benifit of increased taxes(and that's not a good thing). I think your smart enough to do your own research and come to your own conclusion. I also find it odd how those that agree(with the merge) never seem to provide any solid proof but instantly go on the attack when those that disagree throw out a statement. A perfect example is the one called Willie Wanka, there are many others also. I have seen contless post where a "NO" poster showed how skewed the merge is, even with the actual merge study paper, only to be told they were reading it wrong or "well that study is not the final contract". But then the "YES" person will turn around and use the study like it's the holy grail running a perfect utopia.
Amazed

Needham, MA

#11 Nov 27, 2012
I am from neither community but following these posts has been quite entertaining. It is my understanding that the school at OE would remain open as a K-6 facility. Makes sense. Union and enlarged school districts are the present and future answer to offering students a broad-based learning experience. Citizens should be voting with the best interests of the children in mind, not their sentimental hearts. The world is an extremely competitive environment and the students should be afforded every opportunity to become successful in the "outside" world.
Dan

Saratoga Springs, NY

#12 Nov 27, 2012
Zing and Trash, I am not saying your chatter is not correct. Just show us something factual where this so called extra money is. Zing you say behind closed doors is usually corrupt. Give us information where OE BOE is doing corrupt things behind these doors. Nobody wants to believe what was in the Leader Herald (LH)about next budget and shortfalls. If you have information you can type on here, why not go to the LH and give them the story? Any newspaper would love to print a controversial story. I, for one, would sure believe articles in print rather than on here. I trust a newspaper would at least try to verify some of it better than just being anonymous on here flinging nonsense.
Zing, also please give an example of a bad merge, with the few you have seen, and tells us about thier waste land, etc., where are these places?
Again, will OE be better a year from now with another NO vote? I dont know, I am asking everyone.
Just saying
FrasierFunny

East Syracuse, NY

#13 Nov 27, 2012
Zing and Trash are the Frasiers.
They have no facts just fantasy and theories, "that those in charge are corrupt and up to something".
The merger study is not "the bible" it is an idea and/or a concept, it states factual money figures at the time the study was done. Since then the nimrod Frasier's and their clan have cost both school districts about 1.3 millionish in shortfalls for 2012 year. This could have been avoided with consilidation and incentive-duh.
I trust the professionals who conducted the study (who have worked their entire career in or around education), over some sheltered brain twit who works at Walmart or flips out at the school and punches a cop.
PLEASE GET THIS FRASIER- NO MERGE = NO OE SCHOOL IN 2 YEARS. ST. JOHNSVILLE HAS 5 to 7 BEFORE CRITICAL TIME.
How is this such a difficult conclusion for anyone to make.
Don't get on here and try to act smart, because it is clear that you are not.
You are clueless, dim-witted, paranoid, sheltered, shallow, and nuts.(you can say I'm reverting to name calling, but I call it as it is)
shortfall

Fort Plain, NY

#14 Nov 27, 2012
Let's just explain what shortfall means to everyone. That means that the estimated money coming in next year will be over $700,000 less than the money that is estimated to be spent. That means you have to come up with over $700,000. Let's say you take that from an another fund. How long can you keep doing that for? If you have 1.5 million, I guess you have 2 more years and then you are broke. Or, you can cut programming and last longer. You decide.
Zing

Saint Johnsville, NY

#15 Nov 27, 2012
When I see something factual about the merge I'll be more then happy to present my findings. Dan thanks for not being small minded and insulting like post number 13. They give half truths if any truth at all and just keep up with their VERY childish insults. Makes me wonder if this is the type of person that is on the "YES" side maybe "NO" is the way to go if for no other reason, just so your not in the ranks of a complete jerk!
Dan

Arlington, VA

#16 Nov 27, 2012
Hang on zing, you will be happy to report your factual findings and that is all I/we ask. But yet, you talk about corrupt meetings and many failed mergers that you have witnessed yourself. Your approximate words, not mine. Where are the facts in those statements? I can't comment on the crazy comments of some but I try to be civil and just get answers and so far have read nothing that tells why no is the way to go. The first no vote seemed to make things worse so why would another not do the same? Again not interested in whose to blame or all the other nonsense.
Just the "FACTS"
And of course just saying
Foot toot

Canajoharie, NY

#17 Nov 27, 2012
Zing- how is Broadalbin-Perth doing? I'll tell you how: they are just about the crown jewel of the school districts in our area. Best academic offerings, State Test Scores are top-notch, beautiful facilities, including sports facilities, and financially sound!! This merger took place 25 years ago or so, but it's the closest one to reference. Can you imagine a Broadslbin District, or worse yet, a Perth District surviving, let alone thriving if they were in existence today? No way!! And think hard on this one: do you think that people living in Perth feel slighted, or less represented, or WHATEVER, because "the smaller community" always gets the short end of the stick or whatever it is your kind tries to claim? It is time to face reality and prepare for the future. Your reasons for your 'no' philosophy are just delusions.
Zing

Saint Johnsville, NY

#18 Nov 28, 2012
Dan; The reason the 1st "no" has become such a an issue is because of the administration and their P poor attitude. The top dogs aren't getting that raise nor a benifit to their pension so they push for what ever they can. Why is D R making this his pet project, he should remain unbiased he has pushed like heck for this just like Tanggora(sp) did. I wonder if this fails to go through will he still be running around with his halo hovering over his head claiming it's all about the kids, or will he tuck tail and run to the next district? Not sure if you checked on what a nice fat raise Tangorra was going to get if the H I M merge had went through? You want the facts follow the money/perks thats as easy as it gets. As far as schools, check into Cherry valley springfield(talk to those that lived through it) salisbury, BP(they are not doing as good as some claim nice try foot toot, the news even had stories on how they hit rock bottom), Hartwick, schuyler lake, frankfort schuyler and I'm sure I could show some other places that have nothing to offer. ODY has heard the same doom and gloom just like OE for years and it allways ends the same....just a bunch of BS. There is also another school up north that is half the size of OE that beats every school in NY on academics. I'll see if I can find the story, they knew there school was facing trouble so they actually did something constructive not just follow along like lost puppys. Again if the merge goes through then so be it, we'll have to make the best of it. I just hope people realize once this is done THERE IS NO GOING BACK!. There will always be mergers but I'd be real surprised if we ever see an un-merger.
Dan

Fort Plain, NY

#19 Nov 28, 2012
This sounds a lot like jealousy, with who may get raises, and I'm mad they make more than poor me. Is it not the supt job to be involved with all school matters, and in these cases of herkimer and OE, that would be a merge potential. DR is working on merge things, the paper tells of budget discussion, and recently with a rowdy parent. Is that not the job of a supt? You feel he is pushing the merge, is it not the supt. job to do what is best for the district? These people are educated to make these decision, and we all put him there to take care of us. So if he gives information on something you have a disagreement with, then all of a sudden that person is no good and wants a raise. Do the nothing to offer other merge schools you speak of currently offer more than OE? Does OE have a trust fund to fall on in hard times like ODY? Do the other merge schools wish they could go back and could they afford it? Would they have less to offer than they already dont offer as you say? Again, facts, not hearsay stuff.
Still a lot of "I heard" or " I think" stuff.
Just saying
No monster

Schenectady, NY

#20 Nov 28, 2012
Dan wrote:
This sounds a lot like jealousy, with who may get raises, and I'm mad they make more than poor me. Again, facts, not hearsay stuff.....Still a lot of "I heard" or " I think" stuff.
Just saying
Thats all you will get. If you hear yourself saying things all the time, you start believing it. Honestly it's the the children that lose out in shortsidedness. Some will still aspire to acheive greater than their reach but the sad truth is they will never be exposed to anything else than 20 kids per grade while here.Zing, Frasier, whoever needs to step back, take a deep breath and think about if jealousy is the real reason for this.

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