The trouble with Highland sports is.....

The trouble with Highland sports is................

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Big Al

Farmington, MO

#1 Dec 4, 2012
fill in the blank here. it's bound to create some fascinating and entertaining comments.
Get a life

Des Moines, IA

#2 Dec 4, 2012
Whatever your issue is with highland.. Y dont u get over it? Move on loser!
Little Al

United States

#3 Dec 4, 2012
Let me see:
Football team made playoffs
Soccer team won regionals
Volleyball team was 23-9
Boys Basketball team is starting out 4-1
Girls Basketball team is starting out 3-3

So my answer would be......"nothing is wrong this year"

But there is a Troy, IL Topix you may want to post this on.
RGG3

United States

#4 Dec 4, 2012
Daddy coaches. Rostering too many kids and not playing enough (baseball and basketball).
Big Al

Farmington, MO

#5 Dec 4, 2012
I have no issues but find the comment from Little Al intersting because it seems like, other than the baseball team a few years back and, dare I include dance and cheerleading, no other traditional athletic teams have won much past a regional or periodically a sectional. However, the individual sports; i.e. cross-country, tennis, wrestling always seem to have young athletes going to state. Why is that?
Highland is always successful at the middle school level (usually) and even the under-classmen sports but why is it that when these same talented athletes reach varsity levels, the success isn't there?
All I'm asking for is some banter(wishing for some serious dialogue) as to why this failure to go past sectionals happens.
Relax people, it's not a personal attack on you.
Slim Pickens

Belleville, IL

#6 Dec 5, 2012
Big Al wrote:
I have no issues but find the comment from Little Al intersting because it seems like, other than the baseball team a few years back and, dare I include dance and cheerleading, no other traditional athletic teams have won much past a regional or periodically a sectional. However, the individual sports; i.e. cross-country, tennis, wrestling always seem to have young athletes going to state. Why is that?
Highland is always successful at the middle school level (usually) and even the under-classmen sports but why is it that when these same talented athletes reach varsity levels, the success isn't there?
All I'm asking for is some banter(wishing for some serious dialogue) as to why this failure to go past sectionals happens.
Relax people, it's not a personal attack on you.
Kids with the "correct" last name get more play time in High School! There are talented kids in Highland, but by the time they reach High School they don't get much playing time. It is more about politics than winning. If your kid is new to Highland, they can just forget about getting any time on the court or field...
Cry me a river

Des Moines, IA

#7 Dec 5, 2012
I'm sure if these kids were talented they would be playing. I really doubt these coaches think "bobby is the best player but he's not from highland so he's going to sit the bench" maybe you should reevaluate their abilities??
please

United States

#8 Dec 5, 2012
Slim Pickens wrote:
<quoted text>Kids with the "correct" last name get more play time in High School! There are talented kids in Highland, but by the time they reach High School they don't get much playing time. It is more about politics than winning. If your kid is new to Highland, they can just forget about getting any time on the court or field...
I disagree totally with your comment. My son is a talented athlete, and doesn't have this " name" you claim is needed. They have to PROVE themselves. Earn their position!
Little Al

United States

#9 Dec 5, 2012
Big Al - Before you read the rest of this write down a HS from this area you feel has been successful in HS sports, then read on ..........
How about this for a theory of why HMS sports are good and our HHS may not be. I will use basketball as an example, but you can fill in most any sport.

Highland has only one middle school. So all the kids from the school district have to compete for 10 basketball spots in 7th grade. Kids who do not make the team get discouraged and have no where else to play and we are only letting 10 kids get valuable playing and coaching time.
Central High school has 5 (Breese, Aviston, Germantown, Albers, St Rose) middle schools. This means Central which is about 30% smaller than HHS has you have 50 kids playing MS basketball that come out for thier team while Highland has 10-12 middle school players. I believe O'fallon and Edwardsvulle each have 3 MS they pull from. So we have concentrated our athletes to be succussfull in MS, but by doing this we end up training fewer to go into HS. This is the same for every sport. If you look at the successful sports program's in HS, they have come from districts with multiple feeder middle schools that give more kids a chance to develop skills at that age.
Does the HS you wrote down fit the criteria of multiple Middle shools?
Triad has the same problem, hence no state titles either.

Baseball does not fit this criteria because most baseball is trained and learned on summer teams which we have plenty of.
Medium Al

United States

#10 Dec 6, 2012
Good discussion. As a grandparent and former player, how do you a justify rostering 15-7th graders and playing only 7 on a regular basis at the HMS level? There are no playoffs or state championship oportunities at this grade level, but it's obvious that winning and going undefeated with only these 7 kids (2 coach's sons), at a 7th grade level, takes all precedence over any development or coaching efforts. Why turn off 8 kids to the sport by giving them only :45 seconds to 2 minutes per game (if at all) and not take this opportunuity to coach and develop them individually within the parameters of the program in a game situation? This way you keep the interest up the ladder for 8th grade, freshman, jv or varsity without the reality of a mass exit as you will see from the 7th to 8th grade transition next season.
Big Al - Before you read the rest of this write down a HS from this area you feel has been successful in HS sports, then read on ..........
How about this for a theory of why HMS sports are good and our HHS may not be. I will use basketball as an example, but you can fill in most any sport.
Highland has only one middle school. So all the kids from the school district have to compete for 10 basketball spots in 7th grade. Kids who do not make the team get discouraged and have no where else to play and we are only letting 10 kids get valuable playing and coaching time.
Central High school has 5 (Breese, Aviston, Germantown, Albers, St Rose) middle schools. This means Central which is about 30% smaller than HHS has you have 50 kids playing MS basketball that come out for thier team while Highland has 10-12 middle school players. I believe O'fallon and Edwardsvulle each have 3 MS they pull from. So we have concentrated our athletes to be succussfull in MS, but by doing this we end up training fewer to go into HS. This is the same for every sport. If you look at the successful sports program's in HS, they have come from districts with multiple feeder middle schools that give more kids a chance to develop skills at that age.
Does the HS you wrote down fit the criteria of multiple Middle shools?
Triad has the same problem, hence no state titles either.
Baseball does not fit this criteria because most baseball is trained and learned on summer teams which we have plenty of.

Since: Dec 12

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#11 Dec 6, 2012
You are absolutely correct Medium Al! Middle school sports should be about growing the sports programs, getting kids involved, and improving their skills. You mentioned that only half of the 7th grade basketball team plays much. Player development is difficult to do when half the team rarely leaves the bench. You also mentioned the 7th grade basketball team has two dads coaching. That would be the first problem. This is middle school now and time to have real coaches instead of people who coach so their kid can play most of the game. It is my understanding that the seven 7th grade players who you mentioned play on a regular basis just so happen to be the seven players who have been on the coaches travel team for the last 4 years. Isn't that an interesting coincidence? Those two coaches basically made their travel team the 7th grade middle school basketball team. And the two coaches thank you all for that, because now your tax dollars pay for their travel team to play!
say what

Glen Carbon, IL

#12 Dec 6, 2012
It is a sign of the times. In most sports if a kid don't play on a travel team he or she will start out behind the other kids that do.
player

Highland, IL

#13 Dec 6, 2012
mizzourah1997 wrote:
You are absolutely correct Medium Al! Middle school sports should be about growing the sports programs, getting kids involved, and improving their skills. You mentioned that only half of the 7th grade basketball team plays much. Player development is difficult to do when half the team rarely leaves the bench. You also mentioned the 7th grade basketball team has two dads coaching. That would be the first problem. This is middle school now and time to have real coaches instead of people who coach so their kid can play most of the game. It is my understanding that the seven 7th grade players who you mentioned play on a regular basis just so happen to be the seven players who have been on the coaches travel team for the last 4 years. Isn't that an interesting coincidence? Those two coaches basically made their travel team the 7th grade middle school basketball team. And the two coaches thank you all for that, because now your tax dollars pay for their travel team to play!
You hit the nail right on that head!

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#14 Dec 6, 2012
Although I agree with say what that playing travel sports will usually give a child an advantage, I am also fairly certain that all of the middle school players played travel basketball. The ones that rarely leave the bench simply didn't play for the "right" travel team (that being the coaches old team for the last four years). It is rather amazing that the coaches were able to select the best basketball players when these boys were in the third grade. Maybe these two coaches could make a team of the best third grade players every year and that is your basketball team until they graduate high school. Then you would not have to waste time with evaluations and tryouts every year in middle school and high school.
Big Al

Farmington, MO

#15 Dec 6, 2012
Little Al wrote:
Big Al - Before you read the rest of this write down a HS from this area you feel has been successful in HS sports, then read on ..........
How about this for a theory of why HMS sports are good and our HHS may not be. I will use basketball as an example, but you can fill in most any sport.
Highland has only one middle school. So all the kids from the school district have to compete for 10 basketball spots in 7th grade. Kids who do not make the team get discouraged and have no where else to play and we are only letting 10 kids get valuable playing and coaching time.
Central High school has 5 (Breese, Aviston, Germantown, Albers, St Rose) middle schools. This means Central which is about 30% smaller than HHS has you have 50 kids playing MS basketball that come out for thier team while Highland has 10-12 middle school players. I believe O'fallon and Edwardsvulle each have 3 MS they pull from. So we have concentrated our athletes to be succussfull in MS, but by doing this we end up training fewer to go into HS. This is the same for every sport. If you look at the successful sports program's in HS, they have come from districts with multiple feeder middle schools that give more kids a chance to develop skills at that age.
Does the HS you wrote down fit the criteria of multiple Middle shools?
Triad has the same problem, hence no state titles either.
Baseball does not fit this criteria because most baseball is trained and learned on summer teams which we have plenty of.
I can buy this.
Big Al

Farmington, MO

#16 Dec 6, 2012
I have no idea who is coachig the M.S. but I can agree with these statements. I just think it's sad that so many aren't given much if any chance but yet I also think that there is a lack of understanding on the kids' part as to what hard work really is. Seems like once a kid is a starter their labeled for a long time or if they end up not starting it's the coach's fault or the coach suddenly doesn't like the kid/parent; as I've heard multiple times straight from a parent's mouth.
Petite Alice

Highlandville, MO

#17 Dec 6, 2012
Why does highland hire "daddy" coaches nowadays?? It never used to be this way. Seriously.. Does anyone know when and why this started?
tsunami

Garden City, MI

#18 Dec 7, 2012
Brauns & Altadona
Big Al wrote:
I have no idea who is coachig the M.S. but I can agree with these statements. I just think it's sad that so many aren't given much if any chance but yet I also think that there is a lack of understanding on the kids' part as to what hard work really is. Seems like once a kid is a starter their labeled for a long time or if they end up not starting it's the coach's fault or the coach suddenly doesn't like the kid/parent; as I've heard multiple times straight from a parent's mouth.
Highlander

Saint Louis, MO

#19 Dec 7, 2012
I think the reason for the Dad coaches is the lack of interest from within the school district. With that being said I think the current middle school coaches are good basketball coaches, just like the dad coaches before them. What would you rather have, someone who knows the game of basketball and can teach the game of basketball or someone from the school district that knows nothing about the game that is only doing it for the stipend money. One thing to remember is the players who may not be getting as much playing times in the games are still getting the same practice time as the players that are playing. This is the most valuable recourse. If they are going to practice everyday and working hard they will get better. Getting better will lead to more playing time as they get older.
Seen This Before

Litchfield, IL

#20 Dec 7, 2012
Age old argument, and will never be resolved. It'll happen again next year too. I wonder how many 6th grade "travel teams" in basketball there are in Highland? And you can guarantee that someone from one of the 6th grade "travel teams" will buddy up with the coaches that are there right now. Anything to make sure their kid plays. In fact, it won't just be the 6th grade. It will probably be 5th, 4th, and 3rd as well.

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