“Fresh Air”

Since: Jan 11

Saint Francisville

#108 Sep 3, 2013
concerned wrote:
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Love me some pauli and billfr. Usually. When they are amusing. But this last post crosses a line. Not funny to involve Ruthie's children.
I agree with all but the first sentence and appreciate the subtle evocation of Ruthie in the first sentence.
Basic 101

United States

#109 Sep 5, 2013
Pauli did not cross the line, Dreher did. He's the one, not Pauli, who involved Ruthie's children. He knows Dreher for what he is, and as such poses the question, "Would you allow Dreher to take your child on a 'trip'?" Hell, I wouldn't allow him to take my dog on a trip.

“Will Blog For Food”

Since: Jun 08

Cleveland

#110 Sep 5, 2013
Thank you, Basic. The accusation that I am the one instrumentalizing children and using them in the argument is tremendously ironic. A writer turns people in his family into public people in writing a book for which he receives a huge advance. Then some guy on a forum brings them up -- not even by NAME like he has done time and again in his book and in blogs -- and suddenly he is the one "involving the children"! Unbelievable!

Because of Rod Dreher, everybody knows who Ruthie Leming is. Because of Rod Dreher, everybody knows who her husband is and who her kids are. Names, approximate ages and everything. He even has commissioned a map, so it would be easy to stalk anyone mentioned in the book if you're a weirdo.

Of course, Rod Dreher writes useful information about his hometown as well. Because of his book everybody knows that the town doctor might not be the best person to see if you have a bad cough. And he's also alerted everyone to the dangers of raising (pet) chickens in a town where feral cats silently patrol at all hours. Acorns from a blind hog, maybe.

“Will Blog For Food”

Since: Jun 08

Cleveland

#111 Sep 5, 2013
Here is a review of the book by someone who agrees with Billfr, WOW, citylass, me, etc.

http://www.amazon.com/review/R1G8PJG3UHE3E3

If anything, this reviewer is far less willing to pull punches than I am. I gave the book 3 stars to try to be fair. But everyone needs to realize that this reaction to the book is common.
Basic 101

United States

#112 Sep 5, 2013
People who know him knew what to expect. People in "town" who didn't know him quickly discovered his self-serving approach to his sister's untimely death, but here's what is not at all strange. He tried his Bonnie Blue blog thinking that we local yocals would fall prostrate before his superior intellect as to the manner in which we should live our lives. It didn't work. His blogs were summarily rejected be his peers. Can you imagine how Dreher must feel to be rejected in such a fashion? And I'll bet that his opinion of himself has not changed at all. Kinda sad, ain't it?

“Fresh Air”

Since: Jan 11

Saint Francisville

#113 Sep 6, 2013
I can see the "nuts icon popping up almost instantly after I post this, but let's be fair. Rod Dreher is not a garden variety blogger. He has had a successful career as a journalist and author. I, personally, am not a conservative and do not agree with him on many things, but I cannot deny his success. His overall career speaks for itself. If you look at Amazon, you will see there are 127 reviews with an average rating of 4.5 out of a possible 5.0. I do not agree with those who believe the book is some evil capitalization of his sister's death, nor that it would give anybody a distorted view of West Feliciana parish. If anything, it casts us in a positive light. It is self-centered because it is as much about him as about his sister and family and is written from his point of view. Readers can, therefore, decide for themselves whether they like him as a person, or not, based on the book. Apparently, many posters here have decided on he latter and that is certainly their right. But, again, you can't argue with his success.

Since: Apr 13

Fort Worth, TX

#114 Sep 6, 2013
countrylad wrote:
I can see...you can't argue with his success.
Far be it from me to step on anyone's local pride, and I'd agree with you, Rod Dreher's been at least as successful as one or two of the candidates running for PP right now. Still, I'd let any hope for a "King of Starhill" reality TV show go. Just let it go.

The BBC and NPR certainly think of Rod Dreher as a conservative, at least they have him filed that way in their address books. It's certainly a handy go-to label to have these days. However, the man with the number one-selling conservative book on the New York Times right now thought this of Rod Dreher and his "conservatism":

http://www.riehlworldview.com/2009/05/mark-le...

I just report. You decide.

If you have any audited sales figures for anything Rod Dreher's published, let's see them. The New York Post

http://nypost.com/2012/01/27/dont-cry-for-me-...

says Dreher's agent got him something around a $1,000,000 advance from his most recent publisher. Assuming Dreher doesn't return any of that advance, his publisher then has to sell $1,000,000 worth of books, plus enough to cover its other costs like promotion, plus a decent profit in order to judge the book a success. Now, I'd agree, in that transaction Dreher certainly had a successful literary agent. The question remains, though, whether that ends up being a one off, maybe a last off. Other writers will certainly want an agent who can pull that sort of advance off. If the book doesn't earn back its advance, though, other publishers may not want that agent's particular writer. Of course, Rod Dreher hardly needs a publisher. Anyone who wants to can publish their own book directly on Amazon themselves.

Here's a good question, though. If Dreher's most recent book doesn't make back its advance, will he return the difference? As a moral Christian, should he?

If you have any explanation for how a review on Amazon.com differs from a "like" on the average teenaged girl's Facebook page, let's hear it. You do understand that you don't have to have read anything on Amazon to review it, don't you? I could write a book and get 500 or 1000 of my friends to give me 5 star reviews all day long so long as each of them has bought a can of peas or something using an Amazon account.

If you can tell us the last date Rod Dreher worked as a news-reporting "journalist" rather than as an opinion writer, let us know. You know what they say about everybody having an opinion, don't you? Of course, just because I use the word "report" instead of "say" or "said", that doesn't make me a journalist. Or maybe it does. He does have a journalism degree from LSU I hear. At least that's what I'm reporting.

If you can explain why, if it's so successful, Dreher's blogging seems to regularly vanish completely from the Web like melting snow, let us know. Now you can find all his NRO opinions here:

http://www.nationalreview.com/author/rod-dreh...

And the Wayback Machine's spiders have captured some of his Beliefnet stuff. Otherwise, though, it's gone. Probably just as well. That's where most of the weird posts about teenaged sluts was, I think. You can probably find some of his Dallas Morning News columns in their archives if you pay to subscribe there. If anybody knows where any of his Templeton Foundation stuff went, let us know. Hopefully for him, the people he's blogging for now will make more of an effort, unless all they're paying for is day to day blog hits, in which case it's only going to be what have you done for me today, like any successful day laborer.

Still, I agree that local boy Rod Dreher has made a name for himself, although since the jury's still technically out on "successful" the most accurate term left is probably "notorious".

So, when people think of Rod Dreher these days they're likely to smile and think that's what St. Francisville people are like, hair and all. Me, I'm just naturally more charitable.

Since: Apr 13

Fort Worth, TX

#115 Sep 6, 2013
More links on Rod Dreher's personal homemade conservatism, where I got the Riehl link to Mark Levin above.

http://theothermccain.com/2011/05/08/ruh-roh-...

So I wouldn't worry much about Dreher's "conservatism" being any kind of deal breaker for countrylad or anyone else.
Basic 101

United States

#116 Sep 6, 2013
Thanks for your link as posted above. If one had any questions re. Rod's "ability" you must read the link billfr posted.

“Fresh Air”

Since: Jan 11

Saint Francisville

#117 Sep 6, 2013
Basic 101 wrote:
Thanks for your link as posted above. If one had any questions re. Rod's "ability" you must read the link billfr posted.
Okay, I looked at all the links. What, exactly, are you attacking? His religion which seems to have evolved over time? His opinions? His failure to tow the Mark Levin line? His right to express his opinions however he wants? What?
Basic 101

United States

#118 Sep 6, 2013
countrylad wrote:
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Okay, I looked at all the links. What, exactly, are you attacking? His religion which seems to have evolved over time? His opinions? His failure to tow the Mark Levin line? His right to express his opinions however he wants? What?
His unbridled ego.

“Fresh Air”

Since: Jan 11

Saint Francisville

#119 Sep 6, 2013
Basic 101 wrote:
<quoted text> His unbridled ego.
Fair enough and perhaps warranted. Vicious and unrelenting personal attacks, not so much.
Wondering

Oklahoma City, OK

#120 Sep 6, 2013
Billfr, seriously, what is your issue here with Rod? You just seem to go abouve and beyond. Did you use to work with him? Live next to him? Did he wrong you in some way?

Since: Apr 13

Dallas, TX

#121 Sep 6, 2013
Wondering wrote:
Billfr, seriously, what is your issue here with Rod? You just seem to go abouve and beyond. Did you use to work with him? Live next to him? Did he wrong you in some way?
Why, I'm just a "journalist", just like Rod, exposing the moral cavities in the world.

I can't help it if those happen to include Dreher trashing people he doesn't know as "sluts" because of what they wear to their weddings, or trashing his deceased sister (and by extension, all of her congregation) as a "Moral Therapeutic Deist", for those familiar with his blogging his most lip-curling sneer for those who don't happen to share his standards of religious authenticity, and so on.

I just report on what Dreher does and has done as an attention-seeking opinion writer and let countrylad, who maybe now understands Amazon reviews and book publishing for the first time in his life, decide for themselves. You weren't trying to mislead anyone previously, were you, countrylad? You just didn't understand about Amazon and publishing. Right?

Since, as Mark Levin and so many others have noted, Dreher heavily filters what outside world does finally seep into his personal blogs, people like me and Stacy McCain and Levin and Pauli and others are forced to discuss Dreher's online behavior in other venues, like this one, ones with threads dedicated to Rod Dreher.

By way of contrast, discussing Rod Dreher on blogs like "Power Knitting Today", "Bovine Love" or "Skull Collecting" would obviously be off-topic and inappropriate.
country Cheerleader

Oklahoma City, OK

#122 Sep 6, 2013
countrylad wrote:
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Okay, I looked at all the links. What, exactly, are you attacking? His religion which seems to have evolved over time? His opinions? His failure to tow the Mark Levin line? His right to express his opinions however he wants? What?
Countrylad is always Rod's Cheerleader. He thinks its okay to say mean things about Ruthie.
Rod does seem to be a rather nasty Hater.
Basic 101

United States

#123 Sep 6, 2013
billfr wrote:
<quoted text>
Why, I'm just a "journalist", just like Rod, exposing the moral cavities in the world.
I can't help it if those happen to include Dreher trashing people he doesn't know as "sluts" because of what they wear to their weddings, or trashing his deceased sister (and by extension, all of her congregation) as a "Moral Therapeutic Deist", for those familiar with his blogging his most lip-curling sneer for those who don't happen to share his standards of religious authenticity, and so on.
I just report on what Dreher does and has done as an attention-seeking opinion writer and let countrylad, who maybe now understands Amazon reviews and book publishing for the first time in his life, decide for themselves. You weren't trying to mislead anyone previously, were you, countrylad? You just didn't understand about Amazon and publishing. Right?
Since, as Mark Levin and so many others have noted, Dreher heavily filters what outside world does finally seep into his personal blogs, people like me and Stacy McCain and Levin and Pauli and others are forced to discuss Dreher's online behavior in other venues, like this one, ones with threads dedicated to Rod Dreher.
By way of contrast, discussing Rod Dreher on blogs like "Power Knitting Today", "Bovine Love" or "Skull Collecting" would obviously be off-topic and inappropriate.
NOW JUST YOU WAIT A MINUTE, billfr! What's wrong with Bovine Love? This is St. Francisville, you know.

Since: Apr 13

Dallas, TX

#124 Sep 6, 2013
Basic 101 wrote:
<quoted text> NOW JUST YOU WAIT A MINUTE, billfr! What's wrong with Bovine Love? This is St. Francisville, you know.
Nothing, Basic. Just not my topic. At least not yet (knock on wood).

I did look in on Skull Collecting...wait, no, it was actually some New York liberal. But same interests as SC, looks like:

http://alicublog.blogspot.com/2013/09/juvenal...

The guy has a point, though. Dreher does practice an interesting type of Christianity online.

“Fresh Air”

Since: Jan 11

Saint Francisville

#125 Sep 6, 2013
billfr wrote:
<quoted text>
.I just report on what Dreher does and has done as an attention-seeking opinion writer and let countrylad, who maybe now understands Amazon reviews and book publishing for the first time in his life, decide for themselves. You weren't trying to mislead anyone previously, were you, countrylad? You just didn't understand about Amazon and publishing. Right?
..
I may understand more than you give me credit for about Amazon and publishing and you would have to agree your own presumption that I don't shows a certain degree of egotism/assumed superiority on your part. I am not attempting to mislead anybody. I have, quite simply, expressed my opinion.

Since: Apr 13

Grand Prairie, TX

#126 Sep 6, 2013
countrylad wrote:
<quoted text>
I may understand more than you give me credit for about Amazon and publishing and you would have to agree your own presumption that I don't shows a certain degree of egotism/assumed superiority on your part. I am not attempting to mislead anybody. I have, quite simply, expressed my opinion.
Well, which is it, countrylad? When you said

"but I cannot deny his success. His overall career speaks for itself. If you look at Amazon, you will see there are 127 reviews with an average rating of 4.5 out of a possible 5.0."

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/st-francisvil...

you weren't just offering your "opinion" that "there are 127 reviews with an average rating of 4.5 out of a possible 5.0.", you were offering a statement of fact as evidence in support of something you wanted to promote.

Did you really mean to say "there are 127 reviews with an average rating of 4.5 out of a possible 5.0., none of which means the reviewer actually had to have read the book to give it stars, though" but thought that might be too wordy?

Or did you mean for people to think from the evidence you chose to present that 127 people had to have read the book and thought that highly of it, even though you already knew that wasn't necessarily the case - because if you understood Amazon you already knew that, right?

Which was it, countrylad?

And when you say Dreher has had a successful career as an author, if your opinion is anything more specific than that anyone who manages to write any sort of book under any sort of publishing circumstance is a "successful author", tell us what it is that makes Dreher a "successful author" rather than an "unsuccessful author", countrylad.

Gives us the audited sales figures for either of his books that would make your opinion that he is a "successful author" rather than an "unsuccessful author" have any sort of meaning at all. Because you understand publishing.
newbie here

United States

#127 Sep 6, 2013
billfr wrote:
<quoted text>Well, which is it, countrylad? When you said

"but I cannot deny his success. His overall career speaks for itself. If you look at Amazon, you will see there are 127 reviews with an average rating of 4.5 out of a possible 5.0."

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/st-francisvil...

you weren't just offering your "opinion" that "there are 127 reviews with an average rating of 4.5 out of a possible 5.0.", you were offering a statement of fact as evidence in support of something you wanted to promote.

Did you really mean to say "there are 127 reviews with an average rating of 4.5 out of a possible 5.0., none of which means the reviewer actually had to have read the book to give it stars, though" but thought that might be too wordy?

Or did you mean for people to think from the evidence you chose to present that 127 people had to have read the book and thought that highly of it, even though you already knew that wasn't necessarily the case - because if you understood Amazon you already knew that, right?

Which was it, countrylad?

And when you say Dreher has had a successful career as an author, if your opinion is anything more specific than that anyone who manages to write any sort of book under any sort of publishing circumstance is a "successful author", tell us what it is that makes Dreher a "successful author" rather than an "unsuccessful author", countrylad.

Gives us the audited sales figures for either of his books that would make your opinion that he is a "successful author" rather than an "unsuccessful author" have any sort of meaning at all. Because you understand publishing.
How much of the book sales is Ruthies family getting ???

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