Truckers Preparing to Go on Strike

Truckers Preparing to Go on Strike

There are 228 comments on the First Coast News Jacksonville story from Mar 25, 2008, titled Truckers Preparing to Go on Strike. In it, First Coast News Jacksonville reports that:

Talk Back: Post a comment on this article By Jessica Clark First Coast News ST. AUGUSTINE, FL -- A loosely organized nationwide trucking strike is set for next week.

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“Just Add Obama ”

Since: Mar 08

Jacksonville Florida

#228 Dec 10, 2008
Midnightrider wrote:
I was referring to RATE regulation, the "Interstate Commerce Commission", and "rate bureaus". The DOT, FTSB, NHTSA, FHA, and other Federal and state agencies have operating regulations to promote safety on the highways,(these are the regulations you are referring to.) These agencies do not regulate rates. Insofar as the operating regulations, CDL regulations, weight, noise, parking, fuel, etc., etc, etc, many of those are excessive and were put in effect for as political grandstanding, or as revenue generators for state and local governments. THOSE regulations need to be rolled back.
First Government rarely if every rolls back anything.

Second, in referring to RATE regulation are you talking about the amount that is charged per mile or load?
Midnightrider

Geneva, IL

#229 Dec 10, 2008
Mr Logic in Jax wrote:
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First Government rarely if every rolls back anything.
Second, in referring to RATE regulation are you talking about the amount that is charged per mile or load?
That is true, DOT and the other agencies are to the point of writing new regulations primarily to justify their size and budget. Second question, yes, they regulated rates and how freight was billed, and how they were paid (must be paid within 10 days), and they enforced payment. They also enforced equil billing for same freight to same classification of customer. Example truckload of freight from factory to a store. Walmart and a Mom&Pop store would be charged the same. No kickbacks or rate reductions were allowed. This was done to protect small businesses from an unfair business practice, the big box store demanding a discount on the freight bill, and thus could undercut smaller stores. Regulation had it's problems, but it worked well for about 50 years. It also leveled the playing field, thousands of small trucking companies all had equal fair pricing, they could all compete.

“Just Add Obama ”

Since: Mar 08

Jacksonville Florida

#230 Dec 10, 2008
Midnightrider wrote:
<quoted text>That is true, DOT and the other agencies are to the point of writing new regulations primarily to justify their size and budget. Second question, yes, they regulated rates and how freight was billed, and how they were paid (must be paid within 10 days), and they enforced payment. They also enforced equil billing for same freight to same classification of customer. Example truckload of freight from factory to a store. Walmart and a Mom&Pop store would be charged the same. No kickbacks or rate reductions were allowed. This was done to protect small businesses from an unfair business practice, the big box store demanding a discount on the freight bill, and thus could undercut smaller stores. Regulation had it's problems, but it worked well for about 50 years. It also leveled the playing field, thousands of small trucking companies all had equal fair pricing, they could all compete.
So, in general, no matter the carrier the price would be the same for all?

No need to get quotes or compare the differences between carriers?

“Just Add Obama ”

Since: Mar 08

Jacksonville Florida

#231 Dec 10, 2008
Midnightrider wrote:
<quoted text>That is true, DOT and the other agencies are to the point of writing new regulations primarily to justify their size and budget. Second question, yes, they regulated rates and how freight was billed, and how they were paid (must be paid within 10 days), and they enforced payment. They also enforced equil billing for same freight to same classification of customer. Example truckload of freight from factory to a store. Walmart and a Mom&Pop store would be charged the same. No kickbacks or rate reductions were allowed. This was done to protect small businesses from an unfair business practice, the big box store demanding a discount on the freight bill, and thus could undercut smaller stores. Regulation had it's problems, but it worked well for about 50 years. It also leveled the playing field, thousands of small trucking companies all had equal fair pricing, they could all compete.
So if someone wanted to start a new freight carrier how would he find business? Would these price controls also affect, rail, air and other types of freight.

How would this eliminate kickbacks and rate reductions.

I guess I am also a little confessed Wal-Mart and a Mom and Pop thing also.

Obviously, Wal-Mart I am guessing ships full load for the most part, put a mom and pop order smaller amounts would they be able to get the same delivery dates as those who ship on a regular bases?
Midnightrider

Geneva, IL

#232 Dec 11, 2008
Mr Logic in Jax wrote:
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1.So if someone wanted to start a new freight carrier how would he find business?.....
2.How would this eliminate kickbacks and rate reductions.
1.Offer better service. 2. Illegal to charge less or more. Shippers and trucking companies fined for improper rates. This is not a new idea. This was in effect from the 1930s to the 1980s, it had some problems, but overall worked well. This protected shippers, they were guaranteed service at a specific set rate. It protected trucking companies as the rate was not below cost. This was to prevent trucking company monopolies from occurring that could then gouge small shippers with super-high rates and small shippers would have no choice but to pay them. Same rate for same shipment means for example if one pallet is shipped to Wallmart or one pallet is shipped to Mom&Pop store it would cost the same. If a full truckload shipped to Walmart, it would cost the same as a full truckload shipped to Mom&Pop store. If the Walmart is given a 20% discount, the Mom&Pop store is being forced to subsidize a cheaper rate for the Walmart.

“Just Add Obama ”

Since: Mar 08

Jacksonville Florida

#233 Dec 11, 2008
Midnightrider wrote:
<quoted text>1.Offer better service. 2. Illegal to charge less or more. Shippers and trucking companies fined for improper rates. This is not a new idea. This was in effect from the 1930s to the 1980s, it had some problems, but overall worked well. This protected shippers, they were guaranteed service at a specific set rate. It protected trucking companies as the rate was not below cost. This was to prevent trucking company monopolies from occurring that could then gouge small shippers with super-high rates and small shippers would have no choice but to pay them. Same rate for same shipment means for example if one pallet is shipped to Wallmart or one pallet is shipped to Mom&Pop store it would cost the same. If a full truckload shipped to Walmart, it would cost the same as a full truckload shipped to Mom&Pop store. If the Walmart is given a 20% discount, the Mom&Pop store is being forced to subsidize a cheaper rate for the Walmart.
So what do you do when say Walmart has a full truckload shipped from there distribution center and sent to its store using its own trucks. How is that fair to the small business Mom&Pop store, based on that scenario the Mom&Pop store would have to buy but the truckload which is costly from any inventory stand point or wait until they have enough to order a full truckload which would mean no product to sell in some cases.

You did not address the kickback issue yet.

You have used Fair several times and I would agree this is fair to the worst freight haulers, because being the best is irrelevant. This will only hurt the smaller customer like the Mom&Pop stores. If I am big mean freight company,“FATKAT” and shipping 1 pallet for Joe’s Mom&Pop I will say too busy no thank you. They might have to use a lesser quality company who does not spend the extra 5 cent to protect the package that I do and the Mom&Pop store get the shaft.

And who would set these Fixed and Fair Rates; the government, we know how they work. Most, not all vote for what will give them the most power on chance to win reelection and more power. How much are open Senate seats go for these days?
Midnightrider

Geneva, IL

#234 Dec 11, 2008
Mr Logic in Jax wrote:
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So what do you do when say Walmart has a full truckload shipped from there distribution center and sent to its store using its own trucks. How is that fair to the small business Mom&Pop store, based on that scenario the Mom&Pop store would have to buy but the truckload which is costly from any inventory stand point or wait until they have enough to order a full truckload which would mean no product to sell in some cases.
You did not address the kickback issue yet.
You have used Fair several times and I would agree this is fair to the worst freight haulers, because being the best is irrelevant. This will only hurt the smaller customer like the Mom&Pop stores. If I am big mean freight company,“FATKAT” and shipping 1 pallet for Joe’s Mom&Pop I will say too busy no thank you. They might have to use a lesser quality company who does not spend the extra 5 cent to protect the package that I do and the Mom&Pop store get the shaft.
And who would set these Fixed and Fair Rates; the government, we know how they work. Most, not all vote for what will give them the most power on chance to win reelection and more power. How much are open Senate seats go for these days?
LOL! Best one I heard all day!
driver

Godwin, NC

#235 Mar 2, 2013
everyone needs to take a vacation this year(2013)the week of memorial day and/or july 4th.park em for a week enjoy well earned time off with family and friends and let the oil companies sit on their high priced diesel. just buy your groceries ahead of time in case the stores are empty

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