Local club owner 'disgusted' after small games of chance violations

There are 19 comments on the Jul 20, 2010, The York Daily Record story titled Local club owner 'disgusted' after small games of chance violations. In it, The York Daily Record reports that:

Two clubs in York County face numerous violations, mostly for small games of chance, and one manager says the law is hurting the community.

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Name of the game

Lancaster, PA

#1 Jul 20, 2010
The state wants the gambling racket for itself. Fast Eddie had it on his agenda from day one. I didn't vote for the mobster of a governor but enough idiots did to put him in office. He got the house and senate to go along with it for the 'revenue'. Now here we are.
DARK STAR

Mount Wolf, PA

#2 Jul 20, 2010
Agree. This socialist toad Is the worst.
ashes

York, PA

#3 Jul 20, 2010
IMPEACH FATSO in HARRISBURG! He is a waste of fresh air with his antiquated thoughts & pocket filling schemes!
Pete Vitalis

York, PA

#4 Jul 20, 2010
Can anyone really be surprised that local, state or federal government agencies send mixed messages? It's where they excel! Approve the table games, and then penalize an American Legion post? The Legion Post probably does more good with their money than the state could ever think of doing.
Common Sense Soldier

York, PA

#5 Jul 20, 2010
It really is a BS and archaic law.
Downtown Man

York, PA

#6 Jul 21, 2010
The state would have the same results in most of these clubs. No surprises here.
Mr X

New Castle, DE

#7 Jul 21, 2010
This law is a joke. Most of these organizations and clubs are putting alot of their money back into the community for various things and the state penalizes them. If thats the way it has to be, is the state going to finance the scholarships, local parades, fire companies, veterans, etc?
Yorker

Red Lion, PA

#8 Jul 21, 2010
While the laws should be changed, what does this have to do with the government being wrong? These clubs know what the laws are, and they haven chosen to break them in these instances. Until the bill is passed and the law is changed, they need to follow the law, whether they agree or not. It is a shame for them, but the law is the law. Should law enforcement simply ignore the laws when they are not fair? If I break the law, I should be punished. If everyone felt these laws were so unfair, go about being more active in the government and get them changed. That is the solution, not knowingly breaking the law because you don't agree.
Downtown Man

Mount Laurel, NJ

#9 Jul 21, 2010
Mr X wrote:
This law is a joke. Most of these organizations and clubs are putting alot of their money back into the community for various things and the state penalizes them. If thats the way it has to be, is the state going to finance the scholarships, local parades, fire companies, veterans, etc?
They're putting their money back into cheap booze and food.
LaterGator

Mount Wolf, PA

#10 Jul 21, 2010
“The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.”

Ayn Rand
Yorker

Red Lion, PA

#11 Jul 21, 2010
Hey LaterGator, that is a great statement. Except one problem, no one made what these clubs were doing illegal AFTER they had been doing it. Those laws are in place, and they are well aware of those laws. They chose to break them. It was certainly NOT impossible for them to live without breaking them at all. If they didn't agree with the laws, fight them and be activists in the community and government and lobby for change. Or, if you chose to break those laws, don't complain when you are caught. People make choices, and then live by those choices. Yes, the laws stink for these small club owners. But they are the laws.
john doe 000069

York, PA

#12 Jul 21, 2010
Yorker wrote:
Hey LaterGator, that is a great statement. Except one problem, no one made what these clubs were doing illegal AFTER they had been doing it. Those laws are in place, and they are well aware of those laws. They chose to break them. It was certainly NOT impossible for them to live without breaking them at all. If they didn't agree with the laws, fight them and be activists in the community and government and lobby for change. Or, if you chose to break those laws, don't complain when you are caught. People make choices, and then live by those choices. Yes, the laws stink for these small club owners. But they are the laws.
You're a moron. A lot of the places that use small games of chance are fire stations that don't receive enough money in the budget. Let's hope you house or business burns down and the fire station states they couldn't fight the fire right because they had to pay the crooks at the LCB that fined them. The LCB should be put out of business.
cmon man

York, PA

#13 Jul 21, 2010
It's not like the governemnt is prosecuting individuals for victimless crimes that are enjoyed by many otherwise law-abiding people.

Oh wait, that happens everyday. Sorry.
Yorker

Red Lion, PA

#14 Jul 21, 2010
John Doe, unlike you, I am not pure trash. I don't need to play small games of chance to support my fire department. You see, I actually donate money to them when they ask for money...I don't need to play a game in return. They send me a donation request in the mail, I support them with a donation. I actually respect what they do for our community and support them. I don't need to get something in return for my donation. But I am sure you are giving a lot of money to your fire station. It's cool though. We should all just decide which laws we want to break. Hell, if there isn't a real "victim", then what does it matter. I mean, no one is really hurt if I chose to buy and store bombs in my basement for fun. I only hope you are my neighbor when they accidentally explode. And then when I am arrested, I will complain that the "man" is keeping me down...and that the law was BS to start with. Idiot.
Yorker

Red Lion, PA

#15 Jul 21, 2010
Mr X wrote:
This law is a joke. Most of these organizations and clubs are putting alot of their money back into the community for various things and the state penalizes them. If thats the way it has to be, is the state going to finance the scholarships, local parades, fire companies, veterans, etc?
Why would the state finance the scholarships, local parades, fire companies and veterans? It is OUR local community. And based on the replies here, everyone thinks the government stinks and should not be involved. Here is a thought. It is our local community and we all need to support our community, not rely on the government. These clubs wouldn't need to do silly games of chance and raffles if all of us in the community gave money, donated our money and time, and helped support these causes. But we don't. And then we get pissed.
concerned taxpayer

York, PA

#16 Jul 21, 2010
Yorker wrote:
While the laws should be changed, what does this have to do with the government being wrong? These clubs know what the laws are, and they haven chosen to break them in these instances. Until the bill is passed and the law is changed, they need to follow the law, whether they agree or not. It is a shame for them, but the law is the law. Should law enforcement simply ignore the laws when they are not fair? If I break the law, I should be punished. If everyone felt these laws were so unfair, go about being more active in the government and get them changed. That is the solution, not knowingly breaking the law because you don't agree.
Well said.This managers arrogance can be only be blamed for the citations for breaking the smoking laws, doing illegal lotteries/devices,and for breaking the clubs own by-laws in which they made them up themselves.I heard this manager ran another Veterans post in to the ground and was supposively kicked out, only goes to show he has no respect for the laws or the members and employees who he hurts.
Lorax

Baltimore, MD

#17 Jul 29, 2010
Downtown Man wrote:
The state would have the same results in most of these clubs. No surprises here.
You are correct, the State would find the same in most clubs and that ius why the Law NEEDS to be changed to the $20,000 limit, because the clubs that the state has "caught" are losing business to the ones that have Not. People who want to play some of the Small Games Of V]Chance are going to find some where to play them whether it be in a Club that has Not reached its Limit, but will shut down the Small Games when they do reach it (and the person playing them is liable to leave) or a place that has not been "Caught" and is going well over the limit, hoping to "get away with it for as long as they can. Then there are the places who are trying to limit it , to try and stay within the Limits, but are having people walk out because there is not many options as far as small games of chance for them to do, so they leave one club and go to the club up the street or in the next town that is allowing it, and pushing there luck.

In case anyone is interested I have written and emailed many of the State Legislators to ask that they pass the Bill to raise the Limit, so I have tried to go about getting the Law changed in the Proper fashion. We just need other Concerned Citizens to do the same. It has passesd the House , it just needs to get through the Senate.
Downtown Man

Mount Laurel, NJ

#18 Jul 29, 2010
Lorax wrote:
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You are correct, the State would find the same in most clubs and that ius why the Law NEEDS to be changed to the $20,000 limit, because the clubs that the state has "caught" are losing business to the ones that have Not. People who want to play some of the Small Games Of V]Chance are going to find some where to play them whether it be in a Club that has Not reached its Limit, but will shut down the Small Games when they do reach it (and the person playing them is liable to leave) or a place that has not been "Caught" and is going well over the limit, hoping to "get away with it for as long as they can. Then there are the places who are trying to limit it , to try and stay within the Limits, but are having people walk out because there is not many options as far as small games of chance for them to do, so they leave one club and go to the club up the street or in the next town that is allowing it, and pushing there luck.
In case anyone is interested I have written and emailed many of the State Legislators to ask that they pass the Bill to raise the Limit, so I have tried to go about getting the Law changed in the Proper fashion. We just need other Concerned Citizens to do the same. It has passesd the House , it just needs to get through the Senate.
You're right. If enough people break the law, then change the law. Sort of like the illegal problem.
K Fox

York, PA

#19 Feb 27, 2013
I am a member of the Board of Directors with the York Young Revolution. Our non-profit organization has received several donations from American Legions, VFWs and social clubs which go directly to impact the 100+ boys who wear the Young Rev uniforms. We are very grateful for their donations, and hope a bill is passed so that they can keep what profits they need to function. If these clubs lose their ability to host small games of chance (or worse, close their doors!), the effects will trickle down through our organization, as well as the entire community.

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