Officers nab 24 in drug bust

Officers nab 24 in drug bust

There are 118 comments on the Brattleboro Reformer story from Mar 18, 2010, titled Officers nab 24 in drug bust. In it, Brattleboro Reformer reports that:

Law enforcement officers from throughout Windham and Windsor counties arrested 24 people Thursday during a major operation that netted drug offenders in a number of towns between Springfield and Brattleboro.

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Peter Sukimov

Arlington, TX

#22 Mar 19, 2010
Perhaps we should not be so quick to condemn any of these people until due process has been served. They may have been arrested, but not found guilty as of yet.
G Stieinem

Stafford Springs, CT

#23 Mar 19, 2010
Michelle Craven wrote:
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And what was SHE thinking calling me threating me! Like I'm gonna sit back and let that go??!! I have every right to speak my mind and I would have had nothing to comment on if she wasnt on that list! She needs to grow up!!
Ms Craven,
Perhaps it would behoove you to ensure that your statements made in a public forum have substantiated grounds of fact:
1) Technically, you are no longer related to Ms. Wilder in any way, shape, or form, by blood or legal binding, as the marriage that connected you dissolved quite some time ago. I can assure you, that Ms. Wilder would certainly prefer NOT to be associated with you in any context what so ever.
2) Before an individual is to make accusations of any nature, it is wise to understand the potential legal ramifications of doing so. I offer you as evidence the following definition: "Slander is an act of communication that causes someone to be shamed, ridiculed, held in contempt, lowered in the estimation of the community, or to lose employment status or earnings or otherwise suffer a damaged reputation. Slander is a subcategory of defamation. The basic elements of a claim of slander include; a defamatory statement; published to third parties; and which the speaker or publisher knew or should have known was false.
3) While you, as are we all, entitled to opine on any news topic, I find it necessary to remind you that the same laws that give you that right, also entitle an individual to be assumed innocent until proven guilty. Ms. Wilder was arrested, not convicted and therefore all of these charges are alleged.(Alleged is defined as: declared but not proved.)
4) It may also be in your best interest to consider the old adage "those who live in glass houses, shouldn't thrown stones." As I am fairly certain that if one were to invest a little time in researching public record, that they would find that you, Ms. Craven, have been on the receiving end of accusations more than once and were not appreciative of others expression of opinion that you found to be inaccurate or slanderous in nature. "....you people who wanna judge before knowing all the facts are not worth my time." Sound familiar? http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-brattleb...
G Stieinem

Stafford Springs, CT

#24 Mar 19, 2010
(continued)

5) Here are a few facts that can be easily substantiated relative to Ms. Wilder: She is single mother of a well behaved, well rounded, intelligent young daughter. She attends school full time and is a mere handful of months away from receiving multiple degrees. She is a loyal and dedicated volunteer in many community service organizations and she, like you, has overcome more obstacles than most people can begin to fathom. I believe it was you, Ms. Craven, that was the subject of an article in the December 14th, 2006 edition of this very newspaper that was quoted as saying:
"I made a lot of stupid choices in my life,"said Craven, who started using crack as a teenager.
Like any normal teenager, Craven said she never listened to adults.
"When you get hooked on crack, your whole world changes,"said Craven.
And I believe the consequences of those actions are ones, you continue to live with today. Perhaps, a bigger person would look more closely at the similarities and express empathy and support to a fellow citizen to which they claim as relation to. After all, the charges brought against Ms. Wilder, were not nearly as severe as crack cocaine; something you may have be familiar with?
Unlike the pandemonium of the centuries before us, these days we entitle all persons to a fair trial in a court of law, before we burn them at the stake. I suggest that before you convict Ms. Wilder or any other, that you allow for our esteemed legal system to run it's due course. As for your claims that you have been threatened with bodily harm, I am quite confident that if you felt that you were in any true danger, that you would have more pressing issues afoot, than repeatedly posting condemnatory comments on the your small town newspaper's website.
amazed

Montpelier, VT

#26 Mar 19, 2010
Michelle Craven wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess all of them on that list should have thought about that!
I wonder if your son has asked someone that same question about you. You really should stop trying to pretend to be so good. You're the last one that should be putting anyone down.
G Stieinem

Stafford Springs, CT

#27 Mar 19, 2010
amazed wrote:
<quoted text>
I wonder if your son has asked someone that same question about you. You really should stop trying to pretend to be so good. You're the last one that should be putting anyone down.
Indeed.... what must he think after all these years?
Michelle Craven

West Roxbury, MA

#28 Mar 19, 2010
amazed wrote:
<quoted text>
I wonder if your son has asked someone that same question about you. You really should stop trying to pretend to be so good. You're the last one that should be putting anyone down.
First of all dont talk about my son! I NEVER said I was good!! I have a past and I'm not ashamed to admit that! I don't hide from the truth and I didn't put anyone down! I commented on an article in the paper! And why are you hiding your name while running your mouth about my kid! No one has any idea whats been done to me by her and IF I wanted to I could write it ALL! I didn't say anything except that she does work at dcf and that is not confidential information!
Michelle Craven

West Roxbury, MA

#29 Mar 19, 2010
G Stieinem wrote:
<quoted text>
Indeed.... what must he think after all these years?
After all these years?? He's 7! He should be being a kid with his adopted parents that are giving him a much better life than I ever could! He most likely doesnt even know yet and when and if he desides he can come to me and get my side, when he knows! I will not lie to him even though I'm not proud of what happend with my son he will know the truth! I couldn't give him what he NEEDED AND DESERVED so a wonderful couple adopted him! Even though I don't like my sons parents because of things that have happend I'm grateful everyday my son got a family that loves him so much and takes care of him so well! So what is everyone going to put me down now because I can admit what happend with my son was wrong and that he should have better than what I could give him? Fine go ahead if that makes you feel better!
Michelle Craven

West Roxbury, MA

#30 Mar 19, 2010
G Stieinem wrote:
<quoted text>
Ms Craven,
Perhaps it would behoove you to ensure that your statements made in a public forum have substantiated grounds of fact:
1) Technically, you are no longer related to Ms. Wilder in any way, shape, or form, by blood or legal binding, as the marriage that connected you dissolved quite some time ago. I can assure you, that Ms. Wilder would certainly prefer NOT to be associated with you in any context what so ever.
2) Before an individual is to make accusations of any nature, it is wise to understand the potential legal ramifications of doing so. I offer you as evidence the following definition: "Slander is an act of communication that causes someone to be shamed, ridiculed, held in contempt, lowered in the estimation of the community, or to lose employment status or earnings or otherwise suffer a damaged reputation. Slander is a subcategory of defamation. The basic elements of a claim of slander include; a defamatory statement; published to third parties; and which the speaker or publisher knew or should have known was false.
3) While you, as are we all, entitled to opine on any news topic, I find it necessary to remind you that the same laws that give you that right, also entitle an individual to be assumed innocent until proven guilty. Ms. Wilder was arrested, not convicted and therefore all of these charges are alleged.(Alleged is defined as: declared but not proved.)
4) It may also be in your best interest to consider the old adage "those who live in glass houses, shouldn't thrown stones." As I am fairly certain that if one were to invest a little time in researching public record, that they would find that you, Ms. Craven, have been on the receiving end of accusations more than once and were not appreciative of others expression of opinion that you found to be inaccurate or slanderous in nature. "....you people who wanna judge before knowing all the facts are not worth my time." Sound familiar? http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-brattleb...
Well she was related to me enough for srs to let her have visits with MY son even after our parents were divorced! I don't care what you have to say and I'm not wasting my time reading all the blah blah blah you wrote! NO ONE NEEDS A PUBLIC RECORD BECAUSE I DO HAVE A RECORD AND I NEVER SAID I DIDNT!! LOL!!
Michelle Craven

West Roxbury, MA

#31 Mar 19, 2010
G Stieinem wrote:
(continued)
5) Here are a few facts that can be easily substantiated relative to Ms. Wilder: She is single mother of a well behaved, well rounded, intelligent young daughter. She attends school full time and is a mere handful of months away from receiving multiple degrees. She is a loyal and dedicated volunteer in many community service organizations and she, like you, has overcome more obstacles than most people can begin to fathom. I believe it was you, Ms. Craven, that was the subject of an article in the December 14th, 2006 edition of this very newspaper that was quoted as saying:
"I made a lot of stupid choices in my life,"said Craven, who started using crack as a teenager.
Like any normal teenager, Craven said she never listened to adults.
"When you get hooked on crack, your whole world changes,"said Craven.
And I believe the consequences of those actions are ones, you continue to live with today. Perhaps, a bigger person would look more closely at the similarities and express empathy and support to a fellow citizen to which they claim as relation to. After all, the charges brought against Ms. Wilder, were not nearly as severe as crack cocaine; something you may have be familiar with?
Unlike the pandemonium of the centuries before us, these days we entitle all persons to a fair trial in a court of law, before we burn them at the stake. I suggest that before you convict Ms. Wilder or any other, that you allow for our esteemed legal system to run it's due course. As for your claims that you have been threatened with bodily harm, I am quite confident that if you felt that you were in any true danger, that you would have more pressing issues afoot, than repeatedly posting condemnatory comments on the your small town newspaper's website.
And your point is what??? I havent used crack in over 6 years! Like I said I have a past and I'm NOT ashamed to admit it! Since I was interviewed for that article I knew it would be public since it was going in the paper! What is your point?
G Stieinem

Stafford Springs, CT

#32 Mar 19, 2010
Ms Craven,

You insinuated and stated, a number of times that the charges brought against Ms. Wilder are true:
'ITS ABOUT TIME!! Im so glad she cant hide from the truth anymore!!!'

In fact, you did indeed "put {someone" down" when you stated:
"I guess all of them on that list should have thought about that!" and "She needs to grow up!!"

There is no question of confidentiality, just as there is no question of matters of public record in regard to your own personal history. Those too, are not confidential. For example the details of how it is that your son became available for adoption are widely available to anyone who cares to look into it.

As for "whats been done to [you] by her," those claims would also be alleged, by definition, whatever they may be, as it is also easy to establish that Ms. Wilder has no prior criminal record. That not withstanding, I am fairly confident that the recollections of a 12 year old (it has been about 15 years, after all since you and Ms. Wilder shared any connection. Marriage and Divorce records are also a matter of Public Record,) diluted by many years and avid chemical consumption, might be considered less than reliable.

I am merely stating substantiated facts that have easily accessible documentation. I am not attacking your character, Ms. Craven, but instead questioning on what grounds you find yourself warranted to attack that of another?
Michelle Craven

West Roxbury, MA

#33 Mar 19, 2010
G Stieinem wrote:
(continued)
5) Here are a few facts that can be easily substantiated relative to Ms. Wilder: She is single mother of a well behaved, well rounded, intelligent young daughter. She attends school full time and is a mere handful of months away from receiving multiple degrees. She is a loyal and dedicated volunteer in many community service organizations and she, like you, has overcome more obstacles than most people can begin to fathom. I believe it was you, Ms. Craven, that was the subject of an article in the December 14th, 2006 edition of this very newspaper that was quoted as saying:
"I made a lot of stupid choices in my life,"said Craven, who started using crack as a teenager.
Like any normal teenager, Craven said she never listened to adults.
"When you get hooked on crack, your whole world changes,"said Craven.
And I believe the consequences of those actions are ones, you continue to live with today. Perhaps, a bigger person would look more closely at the similarities and express empathy and support to a fellow citizen to which they claim as relation to. After all, the charges brought against Ms. Wilder, were not nearly as severe as crack cocaine; something you may have be familiar with?
Unlike the pandemonium of the centuries before us, these days we entitle all persons to a fair trial in a court of law, before we burn them at the stake. I suggest that before you convict Ms. Wilder or any other, that you allow for our esteemed legal system to run it's due course. As for your claims that you have been threatened with bodily harm, I am quite confident that if you felt that you were in any true danger, that you would have more pressing issues afoot, than repeatedly posting condemnatory comments on the your small town newspaper's website.
And like I said I could write EVERYTHING I know but I haven't! Just because she isnt charged with something doesnt mean she hasn't done it! I never even said anything about the drug charge! Not only that I was never charged with any drug charges besides pot. So I admited it in an article wrote about me whats your point? If you are writting this to defend her you're not helping! I will write all I know and she will not like that if you want to keep this going!
Michelle Craven

West Roxbury, MA

#34 Mar 19, 2010
G Stieinem wrote:
Ms Craven,
You insinuated and stated, a number of times that the charges brought against Ms. Wilder are true:
'ITS ABOUT TIME!! Im so glad she cant hide from the truth anymore!!!'
In fact, you did indeed "put {someone" down" when you stated:
"I guess all of them on that list should have thought about that!" and "She needs to grow up!!"
There is no question of confidentiality, just as there is no question of matters of public record in regard to your own personal history. Those too, are not confidential. For example the details of how it is that your son became available for adoption are widely available to anyone who cares to look into it.
As for "whats been done to [you] by her," those claims would also be alleged, by definition, whatever they may be, as it is also easy to establish that Ms. Wilder has no prior criminal record. That not withstanding, I am fairly confident that the recollections of a 12 year old (it has been about 15 years, after all since you and Ms. Wilder shared any connection. Marriage and Divorce records are also a matter of Public Record,) diluted by many years and avid chemical consumption, might be considered less than reliable.
I am merely stating substantiated facts that have easily accessible documentation. I am not attacking your character, Ms. Craven, but instead questioning on what grounds you find yourself warranted to attack that of another?
Funny since 7 years ago she was family enough to get visits with MY son even when I told them she wasnt family anymore! LOL!!! KK! Too funny!!! Public record!!! LOL!! You dont need public record when someone tells the truth and it can be back up by that public record you're so fond of!! LOL! I'm done here!! I'll be reporting her to everyone I can as far as her threating to KILL me! I could careless what happens to her and IT IS ABOUT TIME HER KARMA BITES HER IN THE BUTT!!!! LMAO!!!!
G Stieinem

Stafford Springs, CT

#35 Mar 19, 2010
Michelle Craven wrote:
<quoted text>
And like I said I could write EVERYTHING I know but I haven't! Just because she isnt charged with something doesnt mean she hasn't done it! I never even said anything about the drug charge! Not only that I was never charged with any drug charges besides pot. So I admited it in an article wrote about me whats your point? If you are writting this to defend her you're not helping! I will write all I know and she will not like that if you want to keep this going!
Once again, I remind you that slanderous remarks or defamation of character placed in a public forum are a violation of law. Your statement of alleged truth does not substantiate a claim and therefore falls under the legal definition of slander. One would be wise to consider carefully the consequences of what they choose to put in such a public forum. Especially when they are unsure who is reading it and what they're chosen profession may be.

I am sure that you have strong opinions on these matters and as you are entitled to. Please remember however, that your opinions are just that; they are not considered to by legal definition to be fact.
G Stieinem

Stafford Springs, CT

#36 Mar 19, 2010
Additionally, while Ms. Wilder may not like whatever alleged statements you might make here, you should also be aware that the Brattleboro Reformer can hold any person(s) responsible for printing slanderous remarks on their site both legally and financially responsible for the consequences if the subject of said attacks were to wish to bring charges.

Freedom to express one's opinion is very much appreciated, I would think. It would be a shame for this avenue of public discussion to be eliminated as a result of any individual taking it too far.
Michelle Craven

West Roxbury, MA

#37 Mar 20, 2010
G Stieinem wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again, I remind you that slanderous remarks or defamation of character placed in a public forum are a violation of law. Your statement of alleged truth does not substantiate a claim and therefore falls under the legal definition of slander. One would be wise to consider carefully the consequences of what they choose to put in such a public forum. Especially when they are unsure who is reading it and what they're chosen profession may be.
I am sure that you have strong opinions on these matters and as you are entitled to. Please remember however, that your opinions are just that; they are not considered to by legal definition to be fact.
Funny since the police said I can write whats on MY mind thats MY right! I can tell anyone and write it on my facebook, myspace or any other place I want on MY profiles! I dont care about a public forum I can write anywhere! They are MY memories and MY issues with her! Seems to me you think by you posting all this about me its going to bother me??!! I really doesnt care! I will defend myself but you mean nothing to me! LOL!! Funny how me being open and honest seems to bother you so much that you go find all this stuff about me! And what did you get out of this? Do you feel better now! I hope so!! LMAO!!!!
Michelle Craven

West Roxbury, MA

#38 Mar 20, 2010
G Stieinem wrote:
Additionally, while Ms. Wilder may not like whatever alleged statements you might make here, you should also be aware that the Brattleboro Reformer can hold any person(s) responsible for printing slanderous remarks on their site both legally and financially responsible for the consequences if the subject of said attacks were to wish to bring charges.
Freedom to express one's opinion is very much appreciated, I would think. It would be a shame for this avenue of public discussion to be eliminated as a result of any individual taking it too far.
LMAO!!! Like I said I can tell ANYONE I want AND write on ANY of MY personal profiles that will be public!! So like I said.....do you feel better now that you made everyone aware of all the PUBLIC stuff about me??? What did you think you were going to make me mad? hurt me? what? What was your point? I didn't write anything I wasn't supposed to I already checked with the police when she called to tell me she was going to kill me!!! So whats your point!!! REMEMBER!!! THE REFORMER ISN'T THE ONLY PLACE PEOPLE CAN WRITE!
G Steinem

Stafford Springs, CT

#39 Mar 20, 2010
Michelle Craven wrote:
<quoted text>
Funny since the police said I can write whats on MY mind thats MY right! I can tell anyone and write it on my facebook, myspace or any other place I want on MY profiles! I dont care about a public forum I can write anywhere! They are MY memories and MY issues with her! Seems to me you think by you posting all this about me its going to bother me??!! I really doesnt care! I will defend myself but you mean nothing to me! LOL!! Funny how me being open and honest seems to bother you so much that you go find all this stuff about me! And what did you get out of this? Do you feel better now! I hope so!! LMAO!!!!
Ms Craven,
I don't know you, nor do I wish to. You have the right to write anything you like, anywhere you like, however that does not preclude someone from responding to it legally if they claim it be slanderous. In the event that such a situation were to arise, the burden of proof would be on you to prove your claims. How you choose to handle that is entirely up to you. I was simply offering some friendly advice. You do, in fact, have the right to choose. This site does not fall into the same category of personal profiles on social networking sites, assuming of course that said profiles are restricted from general public view. This forum is very public and not at all the same in nature.

I am not bothered at all by honesty and in fact, applaud your willingness to be so honest about your own actions. My discomfort lies in your personal attack against Ms. Wilder. You intentionally singled her out of a list of individuals and chose to defame her name. I find it alarming that anyone would do so without being willing to accept the response of others in defense of it. After all, to your point, you have had ample opportunity to defend yourself, as should Ms. Wilder have the same opportunity even if the defense comes from others. In regard to researching anything connected to you, I assure you, it was limited effort on my part and intended only to point out that perhaps it is hypocritical of you to pass judgement on any of the accused.

Hopefully what is gained from my statements is a more balanced and fair depiction of at least one of the individuals listed as being charged in these arrests. While I can not speak for any others on the list, I can certainly do so on behalf of Ms. Wilder as I know her personally. Despite your personal opinions or feelings towards her, there are always two sides to every story and sadly, the Reformer has presented a very one sided perspective.
Michelle Craven

West Roxbury, MA

#40 Mar 20, 2010
G Steinem wrote:
<quoted text>
Ms Craven,
I don't know you, nor do I wish to. You have the right to write anything you like, anywhere you like, however that does not preclude someone from responding to it legally if they claim it be slanderous. In the event that such a situation were to arise, the burden of proof would be on you to prove your claims. How you choose to handle that is entirely up to you. I was simply offering some friendly advice. You do, in fact, have the right to choose. This site does not fall into the same category of personal profiles on social networking sites, assuming of course that said profiles are restricted from general public view. This forum is very public and not at all the same in nature.
I am not bothered at all by honesty and in fact, applaud your willingness to be so honest about your own actions. My discomfort lies in your personal attack against Ms. Wilder. You intentionally singled her out of a list of individuals and chose to defame her name. I find it alarming that anyone would do so without being willing to accept the response of others in defense of it. After all, to your point, you have had ample opportunity to defend yourself, as should Ms. Wilder have the same opportunity even if the defense comes from others. In regard to researching anything connected to you, I assure you, it was limited effort on my part and intended only to point out that perhaps it is hypocritical of you to pass judgement on any of the accused.
Hopefully what is gained from my statements is a more balanced and fair depiction of at least one of the individuals listed as being charged in these arrests. While I can not speak for any others on the list, I can certainly do so on behalf of Ms. Wilder as I know her personally. Despite your personal opinions or feelings towards her, there are always two sides to every story and sadly, the Reformer has presented a very one sided perspective.
If what you wrote is friendly advice you should really look into what that means! It means nothing to me that you know her and believe me the feeling is mutual I would never wish to meet you! LIKE I SAID I ALREADY CHECKED WITH THE POLICE AND I DIDNT WRITE ANYTHING AGAINST THE LAW! Funny how you made this forum all about me by posting everything you could about me!
Antoine

New Berlin, NY

#41 Mar 20, 2010
Ms Craven, if there is anything at all obvious in this exchange it is the clear evidence that you are extremely angry and bitter. Whatever the reason, please consider finding a therapeutic outlet, whether counseling, twelve-step, yoga, clergy or other resource. Your health will benefit greatly.
Bailey

New Haven, CT

#42 Mar 20, 2010
Reference to the Muise man the staff member from austine I have a suggestion to who runs the school that person should put their house in order heaven knows how many staff members are using narcotics and they are taking care others children. And I wonder what the headlines in the reformer will be next Friday other staff members using.(General Austine) clean your house up!

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