Brattleboro Chrysler-Dodge latest victim of economy

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The fallout from the crisis facing the nation's auto makers is being felt all the way from Detroit to Putney Road.
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Mark

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Nov 8, 2008
 
USA is 100% Finished.The citzens of the USA are to blame,buying Japanese cars and now putting a Muslim in as President.China is the Next Super Power.
Former Resident

Deer Park, TX

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Nov 8, 2008
 
Much of the problem with the auto industry in this country is due to the fact that they build unreliable and pricey products.

You can buy a Toyota or Nissan for less money than comparable American autos and have a vehicle that is less of a mechanics delight. The Big Three did this to themselves.

I also believe this country is finished as well. Our country is nothing more than a police state. More money and effort is being spent on surveillance, data mining,
wire tapping and snooping, than is being put into creating jobs and keeping large business in this country.

I am beginning to suspect that the tin-foil beanie hat crowd is on to something with this NWO stuff. Our newly elected "messiah" seems to be a lot more interested in playing global uniter than getting this country back on its feet.

It's a shame about Brattleboro Chrysler going under. They were one of my first accounts and I was one of their outside vendors for over ten years.
Mike Mulligan

Roslindale, MA

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#3
Nov 8, 2008
 
What about our southern states creating huge subsidies to build foreign factories down south....that created a big disadvantage for our big three? They also sit there with less wages and benefits...and poorer working condition...besides newer and more efficient facilities. The work force is a lot younger and a lot more healthy.

When the work force gets old down south...where they going to move next to be cheaper?
Give us what we want

Little Rock, AR

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Nov 9, 2008
 
Make a decent car and we will buy it. Stop putting out junk. We want reliability. styling and gas economy. Why is that so hard for the american car makers to understand?
Give us what we want

Little Rock, AR

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Nov 9, 2008
 
Mike Mulligan wrote:
What about our southern states creating huge subsidies to build foreign factories down south....that created a big disadvantage for our big three? They also sit there with less wages and benefits...and poorer working condition...besides newer and more efficient facilities. The work force is a lot younger and a lot more healthy.
When the work force gets old down south...where they going to move next to be cheaper?
If the factory is in the US it is not foreign. GM has its factories in mexico and canada to get away from the unions that are the cause of their mess.

The wages down south are less across the board because the living is less expensive. The south also does not have the big taxes like the northeast.

The working conditions are not poorer, in fact they are better because there is not the animosity between the companies and the workers caused by the unions. The companies are willing to take care of their employees because the employees are not always trying to stick it to the companies.

Happy employees work for good companies that make good cars that last and will sell. Disgruntled employees make crap cars that are unreliable and will not sell.

And running down the successful car companies is not productive. These sucessful companies should be modeled by GM, Ford and Chrysler, not complained about by out of work union sympathizers.
The Brattleboro Informer

Trumbull, CT

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Nov 9, 2008
 
Mike Mulligan wrote:
What about our southern states creating huge subsidies to build foreign factories down south....that created a big disadvantage for our big three? They also sit there with less wages and benefits...and poorer working condition...besides newer and more efficient facilities. The work force is a lot younger and a lot more healthy.
When the work force gets old down south...where they going to move next to be cheaper?
Mike, I don't know where you get your information from, but it's all the opposite of the facts. Read the above posts from "Give us what we want". The big three auto makers and the unions have themselves to blame for their demise. Those auto plants you speak ill of provide good jobs, benefits, and working conditions for their people. The companies and the workers associated with those plants don't want the UAW coming in screwing things up them. If Obama forces unions (as a payback for all the money they threw at him) on those plants, the end result will probably be the automakers packing up their equipment and moving elsewhere.
Union NO

Rochester, VT

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Nov 9, 2008
 
You don't have to look any further than the American Unions for the cause of the auto industry failures.
Joe

Chester, VT

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Nov 9, 2008
 
Toyota Georgetown KY opened in 1989, maybe 17% of it's orgional labor force will survive to retirement, the rest are throw away workers. One woman with 17 years at the place had less than $50k in her retirement account and being over 50 was hoping she could survive until she was 65 years old but odds are she wouldn't.

People eat up propaganda, there is no studies to prove the cars buit down south or overseas are better quality, it's just consumer opinions based on comparing their current car with is new and improved to their last car which amounts to the same thing as comparing a 1963 corvette to a 1953 corvette, of course a new car is better than one built 10 years ago. Once the rice burner myth started it spread like wildfire.

consumer reports rated my 1975 chevy a junk, 300,000 miles later I junked it with the orgional engine & trans. I still have a 1985 GM car.

So the myth GM makes junk is just that, their cars out last the rice burners and 80's models are still all over the place, where are all the 80's rice burners ?

People where so happy with their 80's and early 90's rice burners they stormed GM & Ford for trucks/SUV's in the late 90's.

GM,Ford & Chysler should have spun off their truck divisions as seperate companies to get around the CAFE standards instead of making under powered copies of rice burners to try and meet CAFE standards and stuck to making real american cars. Harley didn't switch to making rice rockets, they made their product better and creamed the rice rocket bikes.
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Ellington, CT

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Nov 9, 2008
 
I have yet to see a high mileage Chrysler product that didn't have a transmission problem. Every one family members had and friends had, have had the same transmission issues. Right around 60,000 miles.

Chrysler has been crap for years. Remember the K-Cars? Mercedes didn't help with their German engineering, which added another eight miles of tubes and wires under the hood...

As for the auto maker demise, the free market (kinda) is taking its toll, beginning with the least efficient, quality operations. The stronger ones will survive/merge. Unfortunately, the dingbats in Congress will meddle in their finances, and create another gigantic "bail out" to "save" the less efficient operations, ie corporate welfare. Pelosi is crooning about this as we speak.
Joe

Chester, VT

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Nov 9, 2008
 
http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/forumdispla...

go to any car forum and read about the problems with the cars. yup the same cars people tell JD Powers & consumer reports they have no problems with seem to have all sorts of problem.

corporate welfare like tax breaks to build a plant, dumping broken workers on the taxpayers

efficiant ??
not much differance in assembly hours

one of the main problems is people who went to college are angry some assembly line workers makes more than they do because they believe they are ENTITLED to make more because they went to college and they are jealous or full of hate towards blue collar people who make more than they do.
eric

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Nov 9, 2008
 
Give us what we want wrote:
Make a decent car and we will buy it. Stop putting out junk. We want reliability. styling and gas economy. Why is that so hard for the american car makers to understand?
Ford vehicles are rated as good or better then Toyota for quality after 3 years,according to the foreign lovers sourse,Consuimers report.
GM has great models like the Buick Lacerne,Chevy Malibu,,and not so good quality wise like Saturn. and some GMC.
Education

Williston, VT

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Nov 9, 2008
 
eric wrote:
<quoted text>Ford vehicles are rated as good or better then Toyota for quality after 3 years,according to the foreign lovers sourse,Consuimers report.
GM has great models like the Buick Lacerne,Chevy Malibu,,and not so good quality wise like Saturn. and some GMC.
Unions promote based on time in instead competence. Once in a Union Job the employer has little choice but to keep you even with poor work performance. You know, in this country if you are in a bad marriage, you can get a divorce. You can unload a lazy husband, but you are stuck with a lazy employee!
Drives a VW

Waterbury Center, VT

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Nov 10, 2008
 
...At risk of sounding naive, has anyone mentioned that the customer-service @ Bratt Chrysler was lacking to say the absolute LEAST? My husband bought a Dodge down in Northampton, because the people he spoke to at this dealership were ill-informed as to their product, and rude. When he saw the headline in the paper box, he laughed and said, "They really can't blame the economy for that; those guys were dicks."
Working For Your Money

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Nov 10, 2008
 
Drives a VW wrote:
...At risk of sounding naive, has anyone mentioned that the customer-service @ Bratt Chrysler was lacking to say the absolute LEAST? My husband bought a Dodge down in Northampton, because the people he spoke to at this dealership were ill-informed as to their product, and rude. When he saw the headline in the paper box, he laughed and said, "They really can't blame the economy for that; those guys were dicks."
SOOOOOOOO True! Poor customer service drove us away as well.
Andrew

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Nov 10, 2008
 
Drives a VW wrote:
...At risk of sounding naive, has anyone mentioned that the customer-service @ Bratt Chrysler was lacking to say the absolute LEAST? My husband bought a Dodge down in Northampton, because the people he spoke to at this dealership were ill-informed as to their product, and rude. When he saw the headline in the paper box, he laughed and said, "They really can't blame the economy for that; those guys were dicks."
I'll agree with you there; I have gone into this dealership several times over the past 10 years or so and each time I always leave feling "dirty"; I think that, yes, the economy DOES play a part in this but reputation is also important and the owners should look at their training policies as well. Customer service at this dealership, much like RS Roberts was towards the end, is an oxymoron.
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Danby, VT

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Nov 10, 2008
 
I have to agree with the other customers writing in - they were the worst Chrysler dealership in the area.

When they replaced a fuel pump while our Jeep was under warranty they had to do it a 2nd time the following week when it died again.(according to them this was the brand new one they replaced that died - we don't think so) Also while doing the 2 back to back fuel pump replacements they put a hole in the top of our fuel tank. When we took it in asking them why we kept smelling gas after the fuel pump replacement they kept telling us - they couldn't find anything. Funny thing though - when we had another mechanic check it out he found the problem right off. We had taken it in during the 1 year workmanship guarantee time frame but imagine that - they couldn't find that hole they put in the top of the fuel tank. It was about a month after the 1 year time frame expired when we found this out and even though we had asked them several times to check out the gas smell within a few months of the "repair" - they wouldn't stand behind the mess they made & fix it.

So before all the writers get their panties in a bunch over what the problem in Brattleboro wasn't about - unions, transmissions etc. Consider what those of us who were actual customers at one are saying - this is a small area and their reputation got around - it was just a matter of time before they went under because of what they weren't doing to assure customer satisfaction.
Go Forward Not Back

Templeton, MA

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Nov 10, 2008
 
I've driven 4WD vehicles around places with roads far worse than Vermont's. The Ford F350 and the Jeep Cherokee couldn't handle it and we had to junk them. The Nissans and the Toyota Hilux's lasted for years.

This isn't the first time. In the 70's and 80's U.S. car makers were making expensive gas-guzzling junkmobiles because consumers liked driving tanks. Then came financial crisis and the Chrysler bailout and they hired some engineers to design more durable and fuel-efficient vehicles. For a while American cars were pretty good. Then they slacked off again I guess during the renewed popularity of obese gas-guzzling tanks in the 2000's.

If only the lessons learned could be remembered, by both auto makers and drivers.
Andrew

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Nov 10, 2008
 
JeepOwner wrote:
I have to agree with the other customers writing in - they were the worst Chrysler dealership in the area.
When they replaced a fuel pump while our Jeep was under warranty they had to do it a 2nd time the following week when it died again.(according to them this was the brand new one they replaced that died - we don't think so) Also while doing the 2 back to back fuel pump replacements they put **** in the top of our fuel tank. When we took it in asking them why we kept smelling gas after the fuel pump replacement they kept telling us - they couldn't find anything. Funny thing though - when we had another mechanic check it out he found the problem right off. We had taken it in during the 1 year workmanship guarantee time frame but imagine that - they couldn't find that hole they put in the top of the fuel tank. It was about a month after the 1 year time frame expired when we found this out and even though we had asked them several times to check out the gas smell within a few months of the "repair" - they wouldn't stand behind the mess they made & fix it.
So before all the writers get their panties in a bunch over what the problem in Brattleboro wasn't about - unions, transmissions etc. Consider what those of us who were actual customers at one are saying - this is a small area and their reputation got around - it was just a matter of time before they went under because of what they weren't doing to assure customer satisfaction.
My point exactly; I bought a 2 year old Cherokee from them several years ago and it was consistently in their garage to fix an ongoing problem (it liked to just stall); after going back 5 times in as many months I took it to Keene (had it towed rather) and the problem was a simple fix done in about an hour.
I agree that the closing is not so much about our wonderful economy so much as their reputation.
I also would expect that we will be seeing others in the area following suit since this is an ongoing issue with at least 2 other new or used dealers I know of...anyone remember Mark's Motors home of the lemon?
Russell

Raleigh, NC

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Nov 10, 2008
 
Give us what we want wrote:
Make a decent car and we will buy it. Stop putting out junk. We want reliability. styling and gas economy. Why is that so hard for the american car makers to understand?
I'll put my 1997 Ford Escort up against any Corolla or Civic any day. I have over 197,000 miles on it.

As for those of you who say this is all the unions fault: did management ok all those contracts with the UAW????? That's what I thought.
stu griffin

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Nov 10, 2008
 
my 1992 tempo ROCKS still going strong !!!!!!

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