Dubie rallies support in final county push

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LawyerCalhoun wrote:

He never released the list. He just waved around the papers and claimed it contained names. It did not.
Just like Joe McCarthy. A liar and scoundrel.

Shumlin has been shown to be a liar, scoundrel, and cheat so many times people consider it normal for him now. There was even a letter to editor in Reformer that was pro-Shumlin that talked about his unscrupulous exagerations.

[Word is Bond]

Shumlin openly wants to create a negative 650 jobs in Vernon.

[Stanley]

LawyerCalhoun wrote:

He never released the list. He just waved around the papers and claimed it contained names. It did not.
Just like Joe McCarthy. A liar and scoundrel.

If he never released the list how do you know what was on it? You are arguing in circles.

[Stanley]

New Clear Waste wrote:

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Back to the past - the tea-bagger dream. Return to some glory time that in reality never was. Back when old flannel-shirted woodchuck Republicans ruled the state and didn't put up with any of this flatlander hippie nonsense.
Of course people were poor in those days, as many of the remaining shack-dwelling woodchucks still are. If they got sick they went to the pharmacy and then the undertaker if that didn't work. But at least they were "free" from government interference, and they didn't have hippies. Ah, bring back the glory days! Vote against all the politicians.
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I thought you were posting as "pee party". Like I said your sarcasm is much better written.

[LawyerCalhoun]

Stanley wrote:

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If he never released the list how do you know what was on it? You are arguing in circles.

The person who claimed to have it was Dubie. He never released it, just as Joe McCarthy never released his list. He never released it because it didn't exist. He claimed to get it from the Commissioner of Corrections, who denied that he ever prepared or supplied such a list.

You can watch the liar Dubie right here, waving around some papers, claiming it is a list.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

If it existed,(and it did not), it was up to Dubie to release it.

[Stanley]

LawyerCalhoun wrote:

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The person who claimed to have it was Dubie. He never released it, just as Joe McCarthy never released his list. He never released it because it didn't exist. He claimed to get it from the Commissioner of Corrections, who denied that he ever prepared or supplied such a list.
You can watch the liar Dubie right here, waving around some papers, claiming it is a list.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
If it existed,(and it did not), it was up to Dubie to release it.

So really your complaint is he never released the list and not that it was a fake list or he lied about the list.

[Republic Rocker]

A November to Remember... America WILL get it right tomorrow. Hey Vermont do not sit this out like California and reward the socialist loser party running the country now...! Vote for fisacl conservatives! Dubie 2010!

[Hawkeye]

Stanley wrote:

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If he never released the list how do you know what was on it? You are arguing in circles.

If one went to the Debate, one could have seen the list. Where were you?

The biggest problem with the release, is that one would have a problem determining just who really was a violent offender and who is not. Without plea bargain system, a violent offense can be plead down to a non-violent offense. That is worrisome. Next if Schumlin's idea is approved, where will the money come from for the Group homes, programs and supervising that will be needed? Will we send those from other states, that were arrested and imprisoned here back to their home state or do we keep them and foot the bill?

[Stanley]

Hawkeye wrote:

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If one went to the Debate, one could have seen the list. Where were you?
The biggest problem with the release, is that one would have a problem determining just who really was a violent offender and who is not. Without plea bargain system, a violent offense can be plead down to a non-violent offense. That is worrisome. Next if Schumlin's idea is approved, where will the money come from for the Group homes, programs and supervising that will be needed? Will we send those from other states, that were arrested and imprisoned here back to their home state or do we keep them and foot the bill?

Actually the only people talking about the whole project are the dems on the comment blogs. Shumlin dumped the idea when he found out he had used the average cost of and inmate instead of the incremental cost and therefor there would be little or no savings by releasing the inmates back on the street. But your point about how much the community based treatment would cost is a good one and never really got fully developed.

Shumlin dumped the original idea because he got caught in his own flap jawed BS. If he gets elected expect it to happen often because he is a stream of consciouness talker. Everything he thinks comes out of his mouth and his thinking is a little muddled.

[Republic Rocker]

It's DUBIE DAY! restore America..... move away from BIG GOVERNMENT minded Democrats! Prosperity lies in the hands of the people. Give them their LIBERTY!

[Anywhere]

Republic Rocker wrote:

It's DUBIE DAY! restore America..... move away from BIG GOVERNMENT minded Democrats! Prosperity lies in the hands of the people. Give them their LIBERTY!

Don't get too excited - it is a Democratic state.

[LawyerCalhoun]

Stanley wrote:

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So really your complaint is he never released the list and not that it was a fake list or he lied about the list.

Stanley, he never released it because there was no such list. If you watched the youtube, Dubie claimed he got a list of 780 prisoners from the Commissioner of Corrections. The Commissioner of Corrections says he never gave Dubie such a list.

If the list were real, Dubie would have released it, or at least shown it to a reporter to show it was authentic. Instead he did nothing, verifying that his claims to have such a list were false.

This was the tactic of the early 1950s demagogue, Senator Joseph McCarthy. McCarthy claimed to have a list of 205 Communists working for the US State Department. He would go to public forums and wave some papers around that he claimed were the list. But he never showed the purported list to anyone. It was all hokum, designed to frighten a country fearful of Communism in the early 1950s.

Stanley, if I claim I have a document that says you are an illegal alien from the planet Mars, but I won't show it to anyone, would you believe me? Particularly if I said I got the document from the the Chief of Police of Brattleboro, and the Chief of Police or Brattleboro then says he never gave me such a document?

[Berlin Resident]

Resident wrote:

Brian Dubie has no principles of his own. He represents the big-money national power elite who have funded his negative attack ad campaign. If he gets elected, the governor's office will be controlled by the big corporate lobbies rather than the people of Vermont. He talks the talk about job creation, but when you look into the details, there aren't any. He promises gridlock and stagnation.
Peter Shumlin's platform is the most pro-business. By taking the burden of health insurance off of employers, he will turn Vermont into a business magnet.
Vote Shumlin.

How can you possibly believe that Shumlin is pro-business? He is proud of the fact that he received a zero rating from the NFIB!

[Berlin Resident]

Republic Rocker wrote:

It's DUBIE DAY! restore America..... move away from BIG GOVERNMENT minded Democrats! Prosperity lies in the hands of the people. Give them their LIBERTY!

I couldn't agree with you more Republic Rocker, but unfortunately, Vermont is a very liberal state. I am not sure why anyone would support a party that raises taxes and makes it a very unfriendly place to do business.

[Stanley]

LawyerCalhoun wrote:

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Stanley, he never released it because there was no such list. If you watched the youtube, Dubie claimed he got a list of 780 prisoners from the Commissioner of Corrections. The Commissioner of Corrections says he never gave Dubie such a list.
If the list were real, Dubie would have released it, or at least shown it to a reporter to show it was authentic. Instead he did nothing, verifying that his claims to have such a list were false.
This was the tactic of the early 1950s demagogue, Senator Joseph McCarthy. McCarthy claimed to have a list of 205 Communists working for the US State Department. He would go to public forums and wave some papers around that he claimed were the list. But he never showed the purported list to anyone. It was all hokum, designed to frighten a country fearful of Communism in the early 1950s.
Stanley, if I claim I have a document that says you are an illegal alien from the planet Mars, but I won't show it to anyone, would you believe me? Particularly if I said I got the document from the the Chief of Police of Brattleboro, and the Chief of Police or Brattleboro then says he never gave me such a document?

How do you know there was no list. Were you there and saw it. You certainly aren't claiming you can see it in the video are you? Or are you? Pretty specious.

[Stanley]

LawyerCalhoun wrote:

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Stanley, he never released it because there was no such list. If you watched the youtube, Dubie claimed he got a list of 780 prisoners from the Commissioner of Corrections. The Commissioner of Corrections says he never gave Dubie such a list.
If the list were real, Dubie would have released it, or at least shown it to a reporter to show it was authentic. Instead he did nothing, verifying that his claims to have such a list were false.
This was the tactic of the early 1950s demagogue, Senator Joseph McCarthy. McCarthy claimed to have a list of 205 Communists working for the US State Department. He would go to public forums and wave some papers around that he claimed were the list. But he never showed the purported list to anyone. It was all hokum, designed to frighten a country fearful of Communism in the early 1950s.
Stanley, if I claim I have a document that says you are an illegal alien from the planet Mars, but I won't show it to anyone, would you believe me? Particularly if I said I got the document from the the Chief of Police of Brattleboro, and the Chief of Police or Brattleboro then says he never gave me such a document?

You have proved nothing you are claiming. You would be a poor trial lawyer.

[Republicrat]

Republic Rocker wrote:

It's DUBIE DAY! restore America..... move away from BIG GOVERNMENT minded Democrats! Prosperity lies in the hands of the people. Give them their LIBERTY!

Oopsie Daisy!! Well that didn't go as planned now did it?