Pension rules allow educators to doub...

Pension rules allow educators to double dip

There are 193 comments on the DispatchPolitics story from Jun 20, 2010, titled Pension rules allow educators to double dip. In it, DispatchPolitics reports that:

A taxpayer-funded state pension system encourages career teachers and administrators to retire in their 50s, tap the fund and return to work.

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Stop the Insanity

Hilliard, OH

#1 Jun 20, 2010
They're doing it for the children.
Just the Facts

Columbus, OH

#2 Jun 20, 2010
Ted's doing it for his fellow professionals votes.
teacher with almost 30

Clyde, OH

#3 Jun 20, 2010
Be careful what you legislate. I pay 15% of my gross pay to my retirement every year. I know a few teachers that age 60 or more are tired and not good teachers anymore. IF you make us wait until we are eligible for our medicare to kick in until 65, the education system will suffer. You are talking a handful that double dip, and that is only for a couple of years. Most teachers go until 30 -35. Now under the new STRS package,we can't go until we have at least 33 years in anyways and the insurance is so expensive for us most; we will stay longer. I pay may own insurance, I pay 15% of my retirement, and I can never draw social security. So let us not make this sound like we are living high on the hog. For the last five years, I have had a pay freeze. Maybe a few administrators get to double dip, but the rest of us down here in the real world (teachers) do not. Please do not pass legislation that will hurt me too.
Other comments

Columbus, OH

#4 Jun 20, 2010
mycroft6

Nashport, OH

#5 Jun 20, 2010
If you retire stay retired and give somebody else a chance you had your turn.
Deejay

Loveland, OH

#6 Jun 20, 2010
Again, the DirtPatch never lets an opportunity to attack teachers in a headline go by the wayside (even though the bulk of this article is about administrators). The ambiguous use of the word "educators" in the headline most likely connotes teachers to readers and the copy editors know that! Add that to the fire hot catchphrase "taxpayer bailout," and this mudraking paper knows it will rile the ranks in central Ohio. Its inclusion in the secondary headline and 5th graph is a Dispatch exclusive, and stating that it needs a bailout is opinion not supported elsewhere in the article. Here's how the headline reads from around the state:

Cleveland Plain Dealer: Double-dipping state and local employees collect paycheck and a pension

Dayton Daily News: Pension rules encourage school retire-rehire deals

Cincinnati Enquirer: Report examines Ohio's 'double dippers'

Canton Repository: Double-dipping school superintendents tap pensions while working new jobs

Akron Beacon Journal: Many top educators double dip the system (note the adjective "top")

Toledo Blade: Double dipping saps pension fund as school superintendents cash in

Youngstown Vindicator: OHNO report: Retire, then rehire

The Dispatch editorial board's bias against teachers has never been so clear as it is in their headline use today.
Downhill from here

Marengo, OH

#7 Jun 20, 2010
"Parma Superintendent Sarah Zatik, 53, who retired and was rehired two years ago ... She said people in other industries retire and take other jobs, but only public employees are villainized. It happens everywhere, but of course we're the ones who are focused on as being greedy," Zatik said. "I think it's unfair. I think people do not understand it. You're not paying me twice for this job."

Yes, almost all of the 53 year olds I know in the private sector retired at 51 and are double dipping. This is yet another example of an educator with an entitlement mindset who is playing the vicitim becuase they have constructed a fantasy about how things work 'everywhere' or in 'industry.' This excuse is the same as that of a child whose parents will not let her do something: "but everyone else is doing it too." Grow up.
the truth

Harrison, AR

#8 Jun 20, 2010
Teds way of pay to play for the unions.

Vote the dems out.

We need to fix Ohio and the USA.
NotQuite

Fremont, OH

#9 Jun 20, 2010
And what about senior citizens that are on Social Security and working at McDonalds and Walmart. Aren't they keeping younger workers out of a job while on the tax teat?

Rehires have a neutral effect, period.
Fed Up With Taxes

Hilliard, OH

#10 Jun 20, 2010
if "their" pension fund is is the red, then let "them" bail "themselves" out! I am fed up and tired of paying, paying & paying for others failures! They are educated, right? Then why did "they" and "their unions" allow this to happen to "them" and "their union brethren"?

Stand up and take responsibility for your own selves and do not count on any more taxes from us!
Thomas Paine

Van Wert, OH

#12 Jun 20, 2010
The best thing about thing article is that it barely rises above the level of bar-room discussion. There is no hard research or facts. Maybe one or two anecdotal stories.

How about research? How many folks in the state of Ohio retire and then are rehired?(This is called research).

Journalists are one step-above creative writers only because they make better coffee.
dave in Columubus

Springfield, OH

#13 Jun 20, 2010
As a retired educator I and all the retired teachers I know are against the rehiring of Superintends. Few teachers double dip because after 35 years you are burned out by a failed system that is more and more are being run by state officials that wants to do away with public education and have no clue about how to educate kids other than test them and blame teachers that have almost no say in the process anymore. You have the best educated and prepared teaching force that you have ever had. Teaching is as much an art as it a science. You can't run schools like you do a factory. Our products are human beings. Few students come to the classroom ready to learn. The mess in education lies at the feet of parents, and administrators that lack the basic skills to do their jobs. Schools are just a microcosm of the society of which they are a part. In most of the systems I worked in, the rule was you screw up you move up. I worked for only 1 superintendent that knew what he was doing. Columbus is famous for this. There should be one retirement from STRS. If you are rehired in education then your pensions should stop while you work. We stopped them from getting health care from STRS and hope to stop the double dipping. Taxpayers do not pay our pensions. The money paid into STRS is deffered compensation/salaries we earned while teaching for less money than other Master Degreed professionals.
Try finding a job in your 60's and 70's to pay for your healhcare. Remember thousands of retired 30 plus year teachers do not have Medicare or social security. We we were not allowed to pay into them during most of our careers. Most of the retirees I know that go back to work are night guards or you see them at "Wal-Mart" or Giant Eagle. Do you think that all the media attention to public pensions is to cover up what has happened to the private sector and their 401 K mess. Why has corporate America been allowed to trash the pensions in the private sector? You need to start to ask the right questions of your leaders. The Dems are the only party fighting for those of you who earn less than $250,000 a year. This recession was created by 8 years of BUSH or should I say GOBP. Wake up look up and see who it is beating you on the head. Barton's mistake was to say what the GOP really thinks---big business and corporate protection over you and me. Yea I really want to go back to the BUSH years.
Dr_b

Cincinnati, OH

#14 Jun 20, 2010
Just amazing. The system needs a "tune-up"? Another example of the rape of the American taxpayer by public institutions looking out for themselves and living the good life on the backs of real American workers. The system will collapse, there is no doubt about that. The entire welfare state and the provisions for public workers will bring the country down in a similar manner to what we have seen in Greece. And, like the teachers in this article, there will be complaints about what they are entitled to. Once you finally break the backs of the taxpayers, there will be no money left to pay any of these people.
IM SO

United States

#15 Jun 20, 2010
Even state epmployees (not just teahers) retire at the 30 year mark,turn around and rehire at the same job,or same department.
sam blumenfeld

Dublin, OH

#16 Jun 20, 2010
teacher with almost 30 wrote:
Be careful what you legislate. I pay 15% of my gross pay to my retirement every year. I know a few teachers that age 60 or more are tired and not good teachers anymore. IF you make us wait until we are eligible for our medicare to kick in until 65, the education system will suffer. You are talking a handful that double dip, and that is only for a couple of years. Most teachers go until 30 -35. Now under the new STRS package,we can't go until we have at least 33 years in anyways and the insurance is so expensive for us most; we will stay longer. I pay may own insurance, I pay 15% of my retirement, and I can never draw social security. So let us not make this sound like we are living high on the hog. For the last five years, I have had a pay freeze. Maybe a few administrators get to double dip, but the rest of us down here in the real world (teachers) do not. Please do not pass legislation that will hurt me too.
Yeah. We wouldn't want the education system to suffer, would we now. Cause right now it's doing such a bang-up job.(that's sarcasm all you government school graduates).
sam blumenfeld

Dublin, OH

#17 Jun 20, 2010
dave in Columubus wrote:
As a retired educator I and all the retired teachers I know are against the rehiring of Superintends. Few teachers double dip because after 35 years you are burned out by a failed system that is more and more are being run by state officials that wants to do away with public education and have no clue about how to educate kids other than test them and blame teachers that have almost no say in the process anymore. You have the best educated and prepared teaching force that you have ever had. Teaching is as much an art as it a science. You can't run schools like you do a factory. Our products are human beings. Few students come to the classroom ready to learn. The mess in education lies at the feet of parents, and administrators that lack the basic skills to do their jobs. Schools are just a microcosm of the society of which they are a part. In most of the systems I worked in, the rule was you screw up you move up. I worked for only 1 superintendent that knew what he was doing. Columbus is famous for this. There should be one retirement from STRS. If you are rehired in education then your pensions should stop while you work. We stopped them from getting health care from STRS and hope to stop the double dipping. Taxpayers do not pay our pensions. The money paid into STRS is deffered compensation/salaries we earned while teaching for less money than other Master Degreed professionals.
Try finding a job in your 60's and 70's to pay for your healhcare. Remember thousands of retired 30 plus year teachers do not have Medicare or social security. We we were not allowed to pay into them during most of our careers. Most of the retirees I know that go back to work are night guards or you see them at "Wal-Mart" or Giant Eagle. Do you think that all the media attention to public pensions is to cover up what has happened to the private sector and their 401 K mess. Why has corporate America been allowed to trash the pensions in the private sector? You need to start to ask the right questions of your leaders. The Dems are the only party fighting for those of you who earn less than $250,000 a year. This recession was created by 8 years of BUSH or should I say GOBP. Wake up look up and see who it is beating you on the head. Barton's mistake was to say what the GOP really thinks---big business and corporate protection over you and me. Yea I really want to go back to the BUSH years.
I hope you did not teach English or anything academic for that matter. You probably taught History or Government.
Common_Cents

Loveland, OH

#19 Jun 20, 2010
In a time of 10% unemployment in Ohio, double dipping should be immediately halted until the unemployment rate is below 5%- give jobs to those who are NOT yet retired and getting a steady paycheck. It's better for all Ohioans and give more people a chance. I can assure you there are many qualified superintenents out there- but with no places to go.

LAWMAKERS: end this practice immediately. If you are retired, collect your pension. If you're working, get a paycheck. End of story until such a time as the labor market demands an adjustment.
fair

Columbus, OH

#18 Jun 20, 2010
Downhill from here wrote:
"Parma Superintendent Sarah Zatik, 53, who retired and was rehired two years ago ... She said people in other industries retire and take other jobs, but only public employees are villainized. It happens everywhere, but of course we're the ones who are focused on as being greedy," Zatik said. "I think it's unfair. I think people do not understand it. You're not paying me twice for this job."
Yes, almost all of the 53 year olds I know in the private sector retired at 51 and are double dipping. This is yet another example of an educator with an entitlement mindset who is playing the vicitim becuase they have constructed a fantasy about how things work 'everywhere' or in 'industry.' This excuse is the same as that of a child whose parents will not let her do something: "but everyone else is doing it too." Grow up.
Very few employee in the private sector have a pension.
fair

Columbus, OH

#20 Jun 20, 2010
IM SO wrote:
Even state epmployees (not just teahers) retire at the 30 year mark,turn around and rehire at the same job,or same department.
True,that what makes all of us in the private sector that are paying your salaries mad.
Been there- done that

Columbus, OH

#22 Jun 20, 2010
Thomas Paine wrote:
Journalists are one step-above creative writers only because they make better coffee.
Please. The worst coffee I've ever had has been in various newsrooms over the years. Most writers can, at least, brew a decent cup (except for the ones that drink tea, but that's another story)

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