Taxes teach stern lesson

Taxes teach stern lesson

There are 64 comments on the Akron Beacon Journal story from May 16, 2007, titled Taxes teach stern lesson. In it, Akron Beacon Journal reports that:

Last week, Hudson voters -- who already have one of the highest property tax rates in the state -- approved additional taxes for their schools.

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Don Howe

Akron, OH

#1 May 16, 2007
The school systems in this state are in a sad state of affairs largely due to mis-management of funds and an unwavering reliance on property taxes. There never seems to be a shortage of funds when it comes to public projects. If there is money for public projects, there is money for schools. Oh..and by the way, whatever happened to the Ohio lottery, I thought that was supposed to be the "cure-all" for school funding.
TerryLee

Columbus, OH

#2 May 16, 2007
The problem is that our State Officals that are to work for all the People are working so hard to get Smoking Bans, Strip Club Bans in Ohio that they just don't have time to work on the Gas Gourging from Gas Stations and School Issues. I think it's about time to stop working so hard to Ban this & that and leave common sense take care of the Bans, and start working on the main Issues of the State 1. Schools 2. Gas Prices 3. Taxes (Ohio is one of the Highest) 4. etc
TerryLee

Columbus, OH

#3 May 16, 2007
Plus Ohio is paying over 1 million dollars per year just to inforce the Smoking Ban. When they get the Strip Club Ban in Place how much will this Cost? Seems to me that money could be going to the schools. Talk about our money going up in SMOKE!!!!!
Anonymous

Ravenna, OH

#4 May 16, 2007
How many fmilies who live in Springfield and work in Akron are paying higher income taxes that go to rebuild Akron schools? How many children who live in Springfield attend classes in other districts because of open enrollment?
JXF

Warren, OH

#6 May 16, 2007
People just cannot afford to keep paying more and more money in property taxes to fund the schools. The cost of living keeps going up all the time, groceries, gas, utilities, etc... but the wages don't keep up with the inflation. Also, people that rent should have to pay something to help with the schools. I think a city or township tax would help to offset some of the dependence on taxes that are paid by the homeowner and give homeowners a needed break!
TerryLee

Columbus, OH

#7 May 16, 2007
I don't really have a problem with people that rent, because they don't pay a school tax directly. But I do believe that they in fact pay school Taxes. Because when my property taxes goes up so does the rent.
JRR

United States

#8 May 16, 2007
First comment - Please people GET OFF THE OHIO LOTTERY aspect. You know and I know the LOTTERY IS NOT a cure all nor was it intended to save the schools. The percentage of the money the school districts receive is small. WE know that so why do readers continue to bring up the OHIO LOTTERY.

My opionin here - The problem here is the LACK of JOBS that keep going overseas or down south. Face it ladies and gentlemen, people are losing their jobs left and right because the all businesses thinks about is $$$$ and saving a buck and putting it into the hands of a few. Rather you like it or not, not everyone has the educational knowledge/skill/intelligence to go to college and get the so called "high paying" jobs. Everyone one of us is different with different educational abiliities. Plus with the high cost of college, people are not going do to the fear of going into all this debt. Like it or not, some people do not have mommy and daddy to help pay for expenses and co-sign those loans...thus poorer people without the money to help pay taxes to help fund projects - schools, etc....

THIS IS A SOCIETY ISSUE!

“City Boy at Heart”

Since: May 07

Akron, Ohio

#9 May 16, 2007
The issue becomes more desperate as time goes on, and as the legislature continues to ignore the problem.

Any "rework" of the funding structure needs to rely on (1) State funding for 65% of the total need,(2) local sales taxes for maybe 20% of the total (that provides 85% of the funding), and property taxes for the last 15%. In this way, property taxes provide the "extras" a community can afford. Although the percentages could vary, the basic pattern is valid.

The only recourse we actually have is to vote out the current legislature and/or blast the Governor with millions of emails.
DOGGIN IT

Cleveland, OH

#10 May 16, 2007
THIS REALLY IS A MESSAGE FOR THE STATE FROM THE VOTERS. HOPEFULLY THEY FIX IT BEFORE WE FIRE THEM, TOO...............
Greco Romansky

United States

#11 May 16, 2007
You can send all the messagesto the state you want, but in the end it is the kids who will pay. And that means you will pay when their level of education drops. You can talk about all the differences between Hudson and Springfield, but the main difference is education. On average, Hudson residents are better educated and put more of a premium on education than their counerparts in Springfield. Invest in education and you take care of your future in the long and short runs. Neglect education and you will eventually spend even more on jails and welfare-type social programs. It's your choice.
Teddy

Lakewood, OH

#12 May 16, 2007
WHich came first the chicken or the egg? Home values or quality schools?

Hudson is also very transient. People vote for these levies and then leave. Their concern is not so much the quality of the schools as it is maintenance of property value
Concerned Citizen

Streetsboro, OH

#13 May 16, 2007
Springfield Schools were rated by the State as EFFECTIVE last year. Which is a lot better than other school districts. It seems there is a lot of state money floating around for enforcing bans but not enough to educate the children of this state...Lets vote some representation into office that will bring this school funding issue to the forefront.
DOGGIN IT

Cleveland, OH

#14 May 16, 2007
and how long can YOU afford it? i need a money tree like yours, greco, and i have a bachelor's degree and a good job, thank you.
eastsider

Shelby, OH

#15 May 16, 2007
More money is spent on "special needs" children and I understand that it's important that these kids be given the opportunities that any child should have.
In our local school, there are a few special need kids in each class. That also means that an extra teacher or helper must be on hand to meet these kids needs, per class room.
If they were to take these 20-30 kids in the whole school, and put them together in one or two classes, wouldn't that make more economical sence?
Why have 6-8 additional teachers/assistants per school for a handfull of students?

Now multiply that for each school in the area!

Before the schools start cutting any extras for the majority of the school kids that are sitting in crumbling buildings, look at how much is being spent on a very small percentage of students.

Charlie

Canton, OH

#16 May 16, 2007
Very thoughtful comments here. I only hope someone in Columbus is listening.
Concerned Citizen

Streetsboro, OH

#17 May 16, 2007
eastsider wrote:
More money is spent on "special needs" children and I understand that it's important that these kids be given the opportunities that any child should have.
In our local school, there are a few special need kids in each class. That also means that an extra teacher or helper must be on hand to meet these kids needs, per class room.
If they were to take these 20-30 kids in the whole school, and put them together in one or two classes, wouldn't that make more economical sence?
Why have 6-8 additional teachers/assistants per school for a handfull of students?
Now multiply that for each school in the area!
Before the schools start cutting any extras for the majority of the school kids that are sitting in crumbling buildings, look at how much is being spent on a very small percentage of students.
I agree ONE HUNDRED PERCENT!!!!!!
THE TRUTH

Wooster, OH

#18 May 16, 2007
East Sider..umm it's not 1973 so you know. Special Education Students are entitled BY LAW (IDEA ACT) to have the same free and appropriate educational services as any other student. You want to hide them in one room so you can save some money for lottery tix and ciggs?
THE TRUTH

Wooster, OH

#19 May 16, 2007
Fact:

Ohio's school funding system is archaic and unreliable.

Fact:

in 1997 the Ohio Supreme Court ruled this very system unconstitutional.

Fact: 12 years later, the state government has done nothing.

This is a direct fault of the state legislature, former governors, school boards, and department of education. It's not about the lottery, special education, nor rentors. Change must be made now! Change cannot be pleasant or fair. But our funding support needs to transfer from property taxes to sales tax for the regular folks, and the state needs to assume the greater proportion of that responsibility. Stop painting barns and building centennial bells and get it done!
CLH

United States

#20 May 16, 2007
eastsider wrote:
More money is spent on "special needs" children and I understand that it's important that these kids be given the opportunities that any child should have.
In our local school, there are a few special need kids in each class. That also means that an extra teacher or helper must be on hand to meet these kids needs, per class room.
If they were to take these 20-30 kids in the whole school, and put them together in one or two classes, wouldn't that make more economical sence?
Why have 6-8 additional teachers/assistants per school for a handfull of students?
Now multiply that for each school in the area!
Before the schools start cutting any extras for the majority of the school kids that are sitting in crumbling buildings, look at how much is being spent on a very small percentage of students.
I could not agree more. I have seen this first hand at my kids' school. Any student who requires an IEP (Individual Education Plan) gets MUCH more money from the state than the other students, but the costs associated with teaching these children is astronomical! For example, one child in particular has been 'labeled' with this and that since the beginning of their elementary education by his parents & all of the specialists he's seen. He supposedly now has Aspurger's syndrome & gets a teacher's aide. YET - to meet this kid, you'd never know. He's a so-so student and has MANY friends. He has a smart mouth and no manners and parents who need a clue how to raise him. He talks back and shows little respect for anybody, teachers included. His behavior goes against the definition of one with Aspurger's Syndrome. Yet, we are paying a teacher to sit with him 1/2 of a day (she splits her time between two 'special-needs' students). My son's has a wonderful young lady with Down's Syndrome. THAT is where the money needs spent, not these borderline or behavior-linked problem children whose parents need parenting lessons.
Seymore

Columbus, OH

#21 May 16, 2007
The problem is we want to build county clubs instead of schools, maintain the schools, but if kids want to swim or play tennis they should join the "Y".

Provide a quality education and leave the recreation out of it. Also the School day is too short their is no reason that children should be out of school before 3:30 PM. We have caved in to the teachers demands for short days to benifit teachers not the students.

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