Missouri college sues over contracept...

Missouri college sues over contraception mandate

There are 30 comments on the KAIT-TV Jonesboro story from Sep 17, 2012, titled Missouri college sues over contraception mandate. In it, KAIT-TV Jonesboro reports that:

SPRINGFIELD, Mo. - The College of the Ozarks in southwest Missouri is joining opponents of the new federal health care law with its own lawsuit over the law's birth control component.

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“Resident Husky”

Since: Aug 09

Ralphie

#1 Sep 17, 2012
Only nutcases would be against giving people a choice.
SuZ

United States

#2 Sep 18, 2012
It's not about giving a choice dumbass. It's about being forced to pay for something against your beliefs
guest

United States

#3 Sep 18, 2012
Punnchy wrote:
Only nutcases would be against giving people a choice.
It's no surprise that you admit to being a nutcase since you support a government mandate that disallows private employers the choice of what types of insurance benefits they will offer to their employees.

“Resident Husky”

Since: Aug 09

Ralphie

#4 Sep 18, 2012
guest wrote:
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It's no surprise that you admit to being a nutcase since you support a government mandate that disallows private employers the choice of what types of insurance benefits they will offer to their employees.
Private employers shouldn't have a right to decide if their employees get birth control or not.
SuZ

Haslet, TX

#5 Sep 18, 2012
Punnchy wrote:
<quoted text>Private employers shouldn't have a right to decide if their employees get birth control or not.
They don't have a right to decide if employees get birth control or not dumbass. Never have, never will. The issue at hand, for your pot addled, diminished IQ is being forced to pay for someone elses birth control. Get a grip retard. Geeeeze
aur56

Monett, MO

#6 Sep 18, 2012
Birth control should be looked at as any other medication.All employers who supply insurance shouldn't have the right to refuse any woman birth control,because they don't agree with her taking it, of course If she were to get pregnant because they didn't allow BC pills, then I guess they would also refuse to pay for the birth/ or abortion. Makes you wonder where the line is on this subject. Women will always have these choices,as they should.It's up to them,not their employer to dictate.
SuZ

Haslet, TX

#7 Sep 18, 2012
aur56 wrote:
Birth control should be looked at as any other medication.All employers who supply insurance shouldn't have the right to refuse any woman birth control,because they don't agree with her taking it, of course If she were to get pregnant because they didn't allow BC pills, then I guess they would also refuse to pay for the birth/ or abortion. Makes you wonder where the line is on this subject. Women will always have these choices,as they should.It's up to them,not their employer to dictate.
Makes you wonder what ever happened to that crazy notion of self responsibility. How come you think someone else owes you something in the first place?

“Resident Husky”

Since: Aug 09

Ralphie

#8 Sep 18, 2012
If a woman is having to pay for insurance coverage, then a certain amount of that coverage should cover all health related medications not just the regular pills for general health. This would then include birth control which would ensure that she is taking "personal responsibility" in not having a child before she is ready to financially provide for said child.

If she is paying the insurance premium for the business provided insurance, she should have a say in what health services she receives because it is her "personal responsibility" to manage her health and it is difficult to do so without insurance provided through her business. There fore a business saying she is not allowed access to certain services is unethical since it is near impossible, as of now, for a woman to get health insurance anywhere else.

Now as a question, would you be fine with a Business upholding Jehovah Witness beliefs in not having their insurance covering blood transfusions?

“Resident Husky”

Since: Aug 09

Ralphie

#9 Sep 18, 2012
SuZ wrote:
It's not about giving a choice dumbass. It's about being forced to pay for something against your beliefs
Wash your mouth out with soap and learn how to debate. Here, this will help ---> http://www.eclectic-blue.com/images/macros/ar...

Have a lovely night/morning/afternoon/ or whatever time it is there darling. ;D
SuZ

United States

#10 Sep 18, 2012
Punnchy wrote:
If a woman is having to pay for insurance coverage, then a certain amount of that coverage should cover all health related medications not just the regular pills for general health. This would then include birth control which would ensure that she is taking "personal responsibility" in not having a child before she is ready to financially provide for said child.

If she is paying the insurance premium for the business provided insurance, she should have a say in what health services she receives because it is her "personal responsibility" to manage her health and it is difficult to do so without insurance provided through her business. There fore a business saying she is not allowed access to certain services is unethical since it is near impossible, as of now, for a woman to get health insurance anywhere else.

Now as a question, would you be fine with a Business upholding Jehovah Witness beliefs in not having their insurance covering blood transfusions?
You weren't talking about someone paying the insurance themselves dumbass. That's not what they are against. They are talking about company paid insurance. Get s fkng grip retard
guest

United States

#11 Sep 19, 2012
Punnchy wrote:
If a woman is having to pay for insurance coverage, then a certain amount of that coverage should cover all health related medications not just the regular pills for general health.
What you are refusing to acknowledge is that not every medical plan covers every available medication. In fact, none of them do.

Insurance companies make choices about which medications they will include in their plans, and also which tier those medications will be in which is what determines how much the copay will be.

Employers have the right to choose which plan they will offer to their employees. If an employer doesn't want to pay for abortions for example, he is under no obligation to offer a plan that includes abortion to his employees. Same thing with birth control.
If she is paying the insurance premium for the business provided insurance, she should have a say in what health services she receives
First of all, an most every business that provides medical insurance as a benefit to its employees, the employee only pays a small fraction of the cost of the premium. And some businesses are self insured, meaning they pay the claims as well.

That being said, a woman does have a say in what health services she receives. She can either accept the plan offered by her employer, or she can purchase her own policy from any number of insurance companies. No one is preventing her from doing that.
There fore a business saying she is not allowed access to certain services is unethical
This is the lie that you and other liberals keep making. No one is blocking a woman's access to birth control. Some businesses are merely saying they aren't going to pay for it.

“Resident Husky”

Since: Aug 09

Ralphie

#12 Sep 19, 2012
Where else is a person supposed to go if not through a business. If a business doesn't offer the insurance plan with a reasonable premium that the person is able to afford, what makes you think for a second that they could afford a plan that has triple the rates for being a non-business related plan.
This is basically why we have the affordable care act. It's essentially that we could go somewhere else to have insurance, however if a business doesn't provide for the basic needs that a person has, they don't get the tax break (to my understanding). Where else do you think people can go, seriously?
Until then its what we have, and it's not right for women to be without reproductive care, to create proper family planning, which benefits the woman, the business, and lowers poverty by not having extra mouths to feed in times of dire straits.
If she doesn't have a whole bunch of kids running around that she can barely feed, she can focus on things that she needs to like finishing college or completing real world career goals.
Also, if you have a full time job, your paying for the medical insurance, even if you don't have it. If companies aren't going to provide this type of thing, then they shouldn't be taxing those who work for them, that aren't receiving the services they justifiably deserve.
SuZ

United States

#13 Sep 19, 2012
guest wrote:
<quoted text>What you are refusing to acknowledge is that not every medical plan covers every available medication. In fact, none of them do.

Insurance companies make choices about which medications they will include in their plans, and also which tier those medications will be in which is what determines how much the copay will be.

Employers have the right to choose which plan they will offer to their employees. If an employer doesn't want to pay for abortions for example, he is under no obligation to offer a plan that includes abortion to his employees. Same thing with birth control.

[QUOTE]If she is paying the insurance premium for the business provided insurance, she should have a say in what health services she receives"

First of all, an most every business that provides medical insurance as a benefit to its employees, the employee only pays a small fraction of the cost of the premium. And some businesses are self insured, meaning they pay the claims as well.

That being said, a woman does have a say in what health services she receives. She can either accept the plan offered by her employer, or she can purchase her own policy from any number of insurance companies. No one is preventing her from doing that.

[QUOTE]There fore a business saying she is not allowed access to certain services is unethical "

This is the lie that you and other liberals keep making. No one is blocking a woman's access to birth control. Some businesses are merely saying they aren't going to pay for it.
Your wasting your breath. Punnchy has the mindset that he should be able to have a work free life and the government should support all his needs and wants.
cometland

United States

#14 Sep 19, 2012
A couple of you are arguing on the premise that any of us is entitled to a job, and the benefits that may go with that job. If you work at a job that offers medical coverage, it is not "your" policy. Furthermore, it's not "your" job. Employment is a choice. If your employer chooses to offer benefits that do not fulfill your needs, then you are free to make the choice to leave.

Americans today seem to have the view that a certain wage, certain benefits, and job security are "rights" that we are entitled to. Since when? Why do we see a business as some sort of benevolent provider?

“Resident Husky”

Since: Aug 09

Ralphie

#16 Sep 19, 2012
cometland wrote:
A couple of you are arguing on the premise that any of us is entitled to a job, and the benefits that may go with that job. If you work at a job that offers medical coverage, it is not "your" policy. Furthermore, it's not "your" job. Employment is a choice. If your employer chooses to offer benefits that do not fulfill your needs, then you are free to make the choice to leave.
Americans today seem to have the view that a certain wage, certain benefits, and job security are "rights" that we are entitled to. Since when? Why do we see a business as some sort of benevolent provider?
Because we have bills, plain and simple. To pay those bills we need these jobs and each job we take on as individuals needs to be held to certain standards, even if they don't like it or disagree with it.
ralphie saeed

Haslet, TX

#17 Sep 19, 2012
Punnchy wrote:
<quoted text>Because we have bills, plain and simple. To pay those bills we need these jobs and each job we take on as individuals needs to be held to certain standards, even if they don't like it or disagree with it.
Ok just what are you entitled to from a private company and why?

“Resident Husky”

Since: Aug 09

Ralphie

#18 Sep 19, 2012
ralphie saeed wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok just what are you entitled to from a private company and why?
Sorry, if your going to use one of my account names online, then I'm going to ignore your question. Please come back when you have the decency to use your own name or a registered account.
ralphie saeed

Ozark, MO

#19 Sep 19, 2012
Punnchy wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, if your going to use one of my account names online, then I'm going to ignore your question. Please come back when you have the decency to use your own name or a registered account.
Everyone knew you wouldn't/couldn't answer a direct legit question. Get lost freak your done here
ralphie saeed

Ozark, MO

#20 Sep 19, 2012
Punnchy wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, if your going to use one of my account names online, then I'm going to ignore your question. Please come back when you have the decency to use your own name or a registered account.
You don't work or pay taxes anyway making your pathetic opinions null and void

“Resident Husky”

Since: Aug 09

Ralphie

#21 Sep 19, 2012
ralphie saeed wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't work or pay taxes anyway making your pathetic opinions null and void
Keep assuming things, your doing wonders for making a fool of yourself.

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