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#108 Oct 30, 2012
My understanding of the words "conservative" and "liberal" relates to political power, and a model of government embodied by the bible - what was called the ancien régime during the French Revolution. In that model, all power and privilege was conserved by the monarch, just as God in heaven had absolute rule, and man over wife.

The history of the West has been the steady erosion of that model, beginning with the Magna Carta, where a skosh of political power was liberated from King John, and culminating in the United States Constitution, the most liberal document ever written at the time. By that time, almost all power and privilege was held by the common man - if he was white and had property. Further tweaking of that document with amendments has liberated political, economic,and social power from the common white property owner, and distributed that more equitably.

The neoconservative movement in America is conservative in this pre-American sense in that it wishes to concentrate power, privilege and wealth once again. Thus, the words conservative and liberal refer not to conserving the past, but to kings conserving power, and to the rest of us liberating it from them.

Regarding America being a Christian nation, that is only true in the sense that the majority of citizens call themselves Christian - for now. But the American government is radically removed from the Christian model of government. The two have zero in common.

Americanism is based in the secularist values of men like Locke and Montesquieu, not their religions. Americanism comprises such concepts as the sanctity of the individual and of minorities, representative democracy, egalitarianism, the limiting of authority, a divided and transparent government, personal freedom and guaranteed rights including the right to privacy and due process of law, equal protection under the law, freedom of expression, presumption of innocence, the rule of law, and the like.

As I alluded, the bible is about a king of kings and a lord of lords that rules with an iron fist and issues Commandments. The government in heaven doesn’t hold elections or count hands. The god is authoritarian, with severe penalties without limit for failing to obey or worship. There are no human or civil rights in heaven.

Does that sound right?

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#109 Nov 5, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Thanks for showing what I mean about studying the Bible.
Dude. There is nothing to study in the bible. It means nothing. It is just mythology written in questionably translated ancient languages by dozens of unsophisticated primitives that contradicted one another as well as modern science, and cobbled together by politicians with an agenda to obtain and consolidate power, and to exploit believers.

The bible can be studied as a social phenomenon. It's history can be studied: when were the passages written and for what purpose, how many authors contributed and in how many styles, what errors were made transcribing and translating, what was excluded or modified and why, and the like - so called historical and literary criticism (higher), and textual (lower) criticism.

It can also be analyzed for evidence of its inauthenticity - its errors of scientific and historical fact, its failed prophecies and unkept promises, and its self-contradictions.

But none of that is studying it as if it has any wisdom or other intrinsic value to offer as believers do. Just because you can stare at the bible for years and generate reams of meaningless commentary about what you think it means doesn't make it scholarship. We can do that with Disneyology, too. Let's take a look:

A masters thesis in Disneyomight be an in depth sociological evaluation of the depiction of Disney's white princesses - Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella, Aurora, Ariel, and Belle - contrasted with their sister princesses of color - Jasmine, Pocahontas, Tiana and Mulan - seeking evidence for any latent racism. Just look at this - only only one "darkie" amidst five white girls :
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/MCG/... that's some valuable scholarship there!

For the Ph.D. thesis, we could focus on the Disneic prophecies. They are spine chilling. Walt saw Abu Ghraib coming :

[1a][Disneic prophecy] http://snipurl.com/108iuq [image]
[1b][The news] http://snipurl.com/mcmxo [image]

[4][Disneic prophecy] http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs42/f/2009/151/a/...
[3][The news] http://0.tqn.com/d/middleeast/1/0/o/7/-/-/abu... [image]

This is what bible "study" is like. The bible is equally insubstantial.

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#110 Nov 5, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Thanks for showing what I mean about studying the Bible.
Dude. There is nothing to study in the bible. It means nothing. It is just mythology written in questionably translated ancient languages by dozens of unsophisticated primitives that contradicted one another as well as modern science, and cobbled together by politicians with an agenda to obtain and consolidate power, and to exploit believers.

The bible can be studied as a social phenomenon. It's history can be studied: when were the passages written and for what purpose, how many authors contributed and in how many styles, what errors were made transcribing and translating, what was excluded or modified and why, and the like - so called historical and literary criticism (higher), and textual (lower) criticism.

It can also be analyzed for evidence of its inauthenticity - its errors of scientific and historical fact, its failed prophecies and unkept promises, and its self-contradictions.

But none of that is studying it as if it has any wisdom or other intrinsic value to offer as believers do. Just because you can stare at the bible for years and generate reams of meaningless commentary about what you think it means doesn't make it scholarship. We can do that with Disneyology, too. Let's take a look:

A masters thesis in Disney might be an in depth sociological evaluation of the depiction of Disney's white princesses - Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella, Aurora, Ariel, and Belle - contrasted with their sister princesses of color - Jasmine, Pocahontas, Tiana and Mulan - seeking evidence for any latent racism. Just look at this - only only one "darkie" amidst five white girls :
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/MCG/... Now that's some valuable scholarship there!

For the Ph.D. thesis, we could focus on the Disneic prophecies. They are spine chilling. Walt saw Abu Ghraib coming :

[1a][Disneic prophecy] http://snipurl.com/108iuq [image]
[1b][The news] http://snipurl.com/mcmxo [image]

[4][Disneic prophecy] http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs42/f/2009/151/a/...
[3][The news] http://0.tqn.com/d/middleeast/1/0/o/7/-/-/abu... [image]

This is what bible "study" is like. The bible is equally insubstantial.

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#113 Nov 13, 2012
SCIENCE and LOVE

Measuring passionate love in intimate relationships:
http://www2.hawaii.edu/~elaineh/71.pdf

Marital satisfaction and passionate love:
http://spr.sagepub.com/content/12/1/139.short

The anthropology of love and anger:
http://books.google.co.jp/books...

Cross cultural perspective on romantic love:
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3773618...

The psychology of prejudice: in group love or outgroup hate:
http://numerons.in/files/documents/13The-Psyc...

A google scholar search on "The psychology of love" (there's lots):
http://scholar.google.com/scholar...

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#114 Nov 17, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
Conspiracy theories are not theories, they are fables, tall tales out of control.
Just what constitutes a conspiracy theory, or what ought more properly be called a conspiracy hypothesis? Can it refer to so trivial a conspiracy as a con man working with a shill to cheat you? We know that people plot secretly to do unethical things, and that this ranges from cheating you out of ten bucks to stealing all of your savings or toppling a government.

When you wrote, "Conspiracy theories are not theories, they are fables, tall tales out of control," you must have been thinking of plots to dominate the world, or of an alien presence already on earth to call such a hypothesis a fable without knowing any more about it than that it involved suspicion of a conspiracy.

Where's the line? We both hear 9/11 Truthers referred to as conspiracy theorists, and that is certainly correct. But the mainstream hypothesis is also a conspiracy theory, namely, that the plan was conspired and executed by bin Laden and Al Qaeda. I doubt tht you consider that a fable.

So how would you define conspiracy theory consistent with the idea that they are all fables? Here are a few definitions from the Internet to help :

From Wiki:

"A conspiracy theory explains an event as being the result of an alleged plot by a covert group or organization or, more broadly, the idea that important political, social or economic events are the products of secret plots that are largely unknown to the general public."

From OxfordDictionariesDOTcom:

"a belief that some covert but influential organization is responsible for an unexplained event"

From Merriam-Webster:

"a theory that explains an event or set of circumstances as the result of a secret plot by usually powerful conspirators"

From DictionaryDOTcom:

"[1] a theory that explains an event as being the result of a plot by a covert group or organization; a belief that a particular unexplained event was caused by such a group.

[2] the idea that many important political events or economic and social trends are the products of secret plots that are largely unknown to the general public."

From FreeDictionaryDOTcom:

"A theory seeking to explain a disputed case or matter as a plot by a secret group or alliance rather than an individual or isolated act."
Aura Mytha wrote:
Conspiracy is not theory. Do you call the belief in little green men a theory? Conspiracy is unsubstantiated BS.
Wasn't Watergate about a conspiracy?

If you believe anything other than that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assassin of JFK, you believe a conspiracy theory.

When did "conspiracy" become such a hot potato that even the use of the word causes us to define them as "fables" and "unsubstantiated BS." A lot of the bad stuff that happens is planned in secret by two or more people. That's a conspiracy in the broadest sense. Most people also insist that it be unethical. Thus, your friends planning a surprise party, thought technically a conspiracy, is a nice thing to do. Let's agree that we should be talking about some kind of unethical behavior, where one party is trying to exploit another.

Something significant needs to be at stake. But what kind of thing, and how significant, before it rises to the level of "BS" just by being suggested? It seems to me that conspiracies are being unearthed frequently enough that we should be talking about how to distinguish the valid ones from the overactive imaginations, not how they're all ridiculous.

From Wiki: "The grand jury secretly named President Nixon as an unindicted co-conspirator."

That's not a fable or BS. But it was a conspiracy theory from the time it was broached until it was proven, becoming the fact of a conspiracy.

So, what is a conspiracy theory to you?

It concerns me that so many people are willing to reject an idea out of hand because it's a conspiracy theory. Doesn't that make conspiring a lot safer and easier to defend?

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#115 Nov 17, 2012
FALLACY OF SCALE
TOPIX poster wrote:
How the Search for Truth Led Me from Atheism to Catholicism ... One thing I could never get on the same page with my fellow atheists about was the idea of meaning. The other atheists I knew seemed to feel like life was full of purpose despite the fact that we're all nothing more than chemical reactions. I could never get there.

That's because you were lied to and couldn't see through it. That argument is fallacious. It is a fallacy of scale presuming that an entity is completely described by its qualities at one of many scale. This is the same argument that says that Shakespeare can't be of any value because it's nothing but letters spaces and punctuation.

If you aren't smart enough to avoid the pitfalls in these specious arguments, then you are the rightful property of the priests, and you labor for them and their families just like you do, Derek.

If your life was meaningless even to yourself before religion, well, I'll be charitable here and say that it hasn't improved any with that change.
TOPIX poster wrote:
In fact, I thought that whole line of thinking was unscientific, and more than a little intellectually dishonest.

It has nothing to do with science. It's philosophy - logical fallacies. What is intellectually dishonest is saying that man is "just" chemicals. So is a star. So is a mountain.
TOPIX poster wrote:
And considering that the entire span of homo sapiens' existence on earth wouldn't even amount to a blip on the radar screen of a 5-billion-year-old universe, it seemed silly to pretend like the 60-odd-year life of some random organism on one of trillions of planets was something special.
And here's the fallacy of scale again. We've only addressed the reductionist version of the fallacy - the microscopic scale - so far. That's only half of it. We don't live on the scale of the entire universe over all time. At that scale, life itself is meaningless.

Another form of the fallacy is that in five generations or less, our lives will be forgotten. That's true in most cases. But that's not the scale or address of our existence. We don't exist at the level of the grand scheme of things - just a few square miles of the surface of one planet for a few decades. Why should my influence be expected to extend so far into time and space, or its failure to do so constitute the basis of an argument against it having meaning? It shouldn't and it doesn't.

Yet there the argument is, like a huge pit in the earth, covered in thatching, waiting for the philosophically unsophisticated to fall into it. No, Derek. You're wrong. Now go shake your scary chicken and get you some meaning to what you consider a meaningless existence without it.
TOPIX poster wrote:
If everything that we call heroism and glory, and all the significance of all great human achievements, can be reduced to some neurons firing in the human brain ...
Here we go again, but at the cellular scale rather than at the scale of biochemistry. Care to try at the tissue level, or the organ level? "Man is nothing but a sack of organs. There is no meaning in a gall bladder, a spleen or a pancreas, so how could there be value in a human being?"

We could also argue at smaller scales - man is nothing but a collection of quarks and leptons.

If you can't think better than this, then you probably need to shake the scary chicken on the stick to give your life purpose: "Chicken arise! Arise chicken! Arise!"
[5 second video of Billy Witchdoctor DOT com giving his life a moral foundation by shaking the scary chicken on a stick]
TOPIX poster wrote:
then it's all destined to be extinguished at death.
That appears to be the case. If that's too much for you to bear without a crutch, consider Jesus.

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#117 Jan 2, 2013
Anon wrote:
<quoted text>
It's fun to remember things, huh? I remember your comment not too many pages ago where, upon learning of a young boy that was killed in a gun accident, you cleverly referred to it as "thinning out the herd". Now why would a god fearing, upright Christian make a statement like that? Here's a link in case your memory fails you.
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...
FYI

The link you provided looks like this (divided twice so that you can see it all):

[1] http://www.topix.com/ forum/topstories/ TOCO8TEGNA8I5JT63/ p27599

This only takes us to a page, not any of the posts on it.

There are two other formats that Topix uses:

[2] http://www.topix.com/ forum/topstories/ TOCO8TEGNA8I5JT63/ p27599#c580059

and

[3] http://www.topix.com/ forum/topstories/ TOCO8TEGNA8I5JT63/ post580059

Notice that these specify post numbers.

Posts migrate from one page to another in Topix. The post you wanted is no longer on page 27599. It is now on page 27606, meaning that format [2] won't find your post, either.

This would work: http://www.topix.com/ forum/topstories/ TOCO8TEGNA8I5JT63/ p27606#c580059

Here it is intact for you to test. Look at the URL it generates; http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...

Therefore, of these choices,[3] is the better format, since it doesn't specify a page number.

How do you get links in this format? The only way I have found is to take it right from the post itself rather than the URL bar on your browser or anywhere. Right click on the post number just to the left of the Judgit function, and select Copy Link Location. Your link will always be good unless the post is deleted.

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#118 Mar 13, 2013
On March 13, 13, Tide with Beach wrote:
> I came across this as I was doing some research on faith.
> http://about-i-am.net/dealwithdoubt.html
> This isn't the only website or book that I found with this theme.
> I've been defining religious faith as the suppression of doubt, but I think I
> need to modify it. Believers are teaching each other various workarounds,
> because suppression is becoming harder to do. They seem to be stealing "doubt"
> also. Apparently, doubt is just the thing you need to make your faith stronger.
> Who knew?

Interesting subject.

I would define religious faith a little differently than you did, which was "the suppression of doubt." That's obviously part of maintaining faith. Doubt must not be allowed to become disbelief.

But isn't faith simply the willingness to believe in the absence of evidence, or despite contradictory evidence, which is the willingness to ignore doubt. It's related to the suspension of disbelief that we engage when enjoying various kinds of fiction such as horror, sci-fi and fantasy. We willingly accept an untruth such as the possibility of superheroes that or time travel for a time - until the story ends. It's easy.

What may be harder is to do it for a lifetime, and to base life choices that come at a cost on it, whether that cost is time, money or social.

Even more pernicious to religious faith than doubt is the love of truth. I remember my religious experience fairly well. I may have told you that it began at age nineteen or twenty. I felt that the religion should be treated like a pair of shoes that might not fit properly at first, but with time, would begin to feel right. You wouldn't give up on a new pair of shoes that were a little tight here or rubbed a little there if the experience wasn't painful. But with time, you expect that to go away.

So, as a new Christians, I didn't let the apparent inconsistencies dissuade me. Sure, I had doubt - plenty. But I also had a willingness to ignore it, and for a time, the ability to do so. I had hoped that my questions would be answered as a self-supporting edifice of understanding was erected in my mind. Your link asserts, "The New Testament’s complex and interwoven information is self supporting."

But that never happened. As time passed, the inconsistencies persisted. Eventually, I could see that the claims of the religion were wrong. If that hadn't mattered, I could have gone on even with the inconsistencies. We see that all of the time on the threads.

With some, there is little cognitive dissonance associated with doubt - just a lack of certitude. Life is full of that. Who can say that the next step wont be into an unseen sinkhole? We can live with doubt.

But can and will you defy truth when it becomes apparent that you are doing so? For me, that was never an option. I had hoped that I had found truth, and had been testing Christianity for truth content all the while with the doubt that is inherent in not having proven a point to ones own standards. Using the shoe metaphor, the shoes never conformed to my feet, and I had to kick them off. That was my walk in the Lord if you will.

As for the subject of how the Christians deal with doubt, the usual way is to demonize it - literally. Ones own inner voice is called Satan speaking, and acceding to it is called weakness. To those willing to believe, it can be seen in that way and ignored indefinitely. even if it never fades away.

Another ploy is telling the Christian that, "The New Testament’s complex and interwoven information is self supporting." They are told that the bible does more than it does: it prophecies accurately, and tells history and science accurately ... if you'll believe that.

And the author you cite goes further, as you noted, referring to "the process of human doubt as a gift from God that opens us up to deeper levels of understanding." That's new to me, too.

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#119 Apr 19, 2013
I've got some good advice for Americans with no doctor. Find a young one, and establish a relationship soon. It may become very difficult to do that in the near future, especially if you wait until you are sick and need one. The doctor shortage will be getting worse.

I reported that there was a perfect storm brewing. There was already a shortage of physicians in the States when these three factor were added:

[1] considerable unhappiness within the profession with doctors looking for a way out of medicine:

"Half of primary-care doctors in survey would leave medicine"
http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/11/17/primary....

[2] Obamacare will inject tens of millions of new patients into the insurance pool.

[3] The Boomers are hitting Medicare age. If you were born the first year after World War I, you will 67 this year.

Now add this new wrinkle: the economy is improving. From "Stronger economy stimulates doctor turnover" at http://www.amednews.com/article/20130401/busi...

"A changing health care system has many physicians thinking about a new job environment — or retirement. A recent survey determined that the improving economy is allowing more doctors to make those dreams a reality.

"The physician departure rate at large practices was 6.8% in 2012, the highest it has been in the eight years ... As the economy becomes more robust, the physician turnover rate is expected to rise from its current record level"

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#120 Apr 20, 2013
BigJoe wrote:
<quoted text>I just want to ask how you split the quotes and reply in the middle? When I try it says the quote blocks are mismatched. Thanks
For starters, to demonstrate, I will use {} braces in place of the [] brackets, otherwise the Topix software will treat them as commands instead of part of the body of my post

This is what I am looking at above my post:

{QUOTE who="BigJoe"}<quo ted text>I just want to ask how you split the quotes and reply in the middle? When I try it says the quote blocks are mismatched. Thanks{/QUOTE}

With brackets instead of braces, it is rendered like your quote at the top of this post.

If I want to break it into two parts, I put the tail tag on the first part, the header tag on the beginning of the second part, and can type above them, between them, and below them:

I will break your quote in half and add text:

{QUOTE who="BigJoe"}I just want to ask how you split the quotes and reply in the middle?{/QUOTE}

blah blah

{QUOTE who="BigJoe"}When I try it says the quote blocks are mismatched. Thanks{/QUOTE}

If I use the square brackets in place of
BigJoe wrote:
I just want to ask how you split the quotes and reply in the middle?
blah blah
BigJoe wrote:
When I try it says the quote blocks are mismatched. Thanks
Hope that helps

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#121 May 1, 2013
_-Alice-_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks but I only actually wrote part of it.
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...
Did I do that link thing right?
I'm new here.
The link directed to the wrong page, because your post has moved.

Links to specific Topix posts come in two formats (divided here so that you can see them). The first one is the one you provided:

[1] http://www.topix.com/ forum/topstories/ T0N0LORUMAROFEJGO/ p25346#c526820

[2] http://www.topix.com/ forum/topstories/ T0N0LORUMAROFEJGO/ post526820

Posts migrate from one page to another in Topix mostly because of post censoring/deletion. The post you wanted is no longer on page 25346. It is now on page 25345, meaning that format [1], won't find it.

The link in your browsers URL field will be of the less desirable type. If you right click on the post number just to the left of the Judgit function, and select Copy Link Location, your link will always be good unless the post is deleted. You can also get links in this format from your home page if it is set to show your last ten posts, as your is.

Here are the two links above reconstructed for you to test:

[1] http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...

[2] http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...

Notice that after you click onto link [2], the URL will be converted to the other type in your browser's URL field.

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#122 Jun 13, 2013
RICH: "One person's science is another person's pseudoscience."

I disagree, Rich.

Science is a specific set of procedures and its output. Pseudoscience is any other process or its product, generally intended to resemble science, and offered as science.

Specifically, there are two levels of the scientific process. One is where scientific papers are generated by a specific scientific method, and the other is the vetting process that confirms them.

Bona fide science begins with a (potentially) falsifiable hypothesis and a statistically valid experimental design that can test the hypothesis. Observations are made, data is collected and analyzed, inductions (generalizations) extracted, and hopefully, the hypothesis is confirmed or disconfirmed. From this, a scientific paper can be generated.

The second phase is intended to vet these results. It begins before the experiments are done. Peers determine which ideas seem most likely to be fruitful and deserve funding. Peers also judge the experimental design – preferably both before the study is performed and after – and judge it for methodological and statistical validity. The data needs to be reproducible. Ideally, the experiment is repeated by other investigators. If we are talking about a scientific theory, it must make predictions that were unexpected, and which must be confirmed with additional testing. Ideally, the idea generates useful technology, and suggests other avenues of investigation that also prove to be fruitful. The final test is the test of time. Correct ideas may be expanded and improved, but they are never overturned.

Pseudoscience is nothing like this. It is generally agenda driven. Experiments, if any, are designed to demonstrate a desired outcome. Most of the support is editorialization and specious argumentation.

Intelligent design is a classic example of pseudoscience. It’s purpose is not to discover truth whatever that may be, but to prove a faith-based conviction. Terms like irreducible complexity – or even complexity itself – have no formal mathematical definition, that is, there is no way to identify irreducible complexity empirically or algorithmically. The ID literature is virtually all opinion, and generally appears in journals outside of mainstream publications established for that purpose, whose referees are principally Christians sympathetic to the agenda. It is sterile – it explains nothing, it predicts nothing, and we can do nothing useful with it.

You might argue that climate science is pseudoscience and try to demonstrate that, but your comment sounds as if you don't recognize a distinction between bona fide science and pseudoscience. Climate science deniers point to instances of fraud to make their case, a logical error. Or they offer alternative hypotheses for global warming, which even if valid confounding factors, cannot falsify the hypothesis that global warming is at least in part anthropogenic, potentially catastrophic, and either preventable or amenable to mitigation.

A red flag for pseudoscience is the presence of think tanks devoted to the agenda. For ID, this is principally the Discovery Institute. The same thing is occurring in the climate science arena:

“Research Reveals Almost All Climate Science Denial Books Linked To Conservative Think Tanks” http://www.desmogblog.com/2013/03/20/research...

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#123 Jul 20, 2013
WESTERN CUEBIDS
&#9824; &#9829; &#9830; &#9827;

All 3-level cuebids are Western except:

1. When they show a limit raise of partner’s major or minor: 1&#9830;-(1&#9824;)-2 &#9824; or (1&#9829;)-1&#9824;-(p )-2&#9829;.
2. After a major suit fit has been found (where it is a short suit or help suit game try)
3. When partner later rejects a 3NT reply and supports our suit
4. When opponents have bid two suits. Cuebid shows a control of bid suit with slam interest.
5. When cue bidding 3 of opponent’s overcall after a 1NT opener (game forcing Stayman in Lebensohl)
6. Jump cuebid advances of partner’s overcall show a Bergen "mixed (or constructive) raise," which is 4-card trump support and more than a preemptive raise, but less than a limit raise (1&#9830;)-1&#9824;-p- 3&#9830;. http://www.larryco.com/BridgeArticles/Article...

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#125 Aug 25, 2013
[1] 1&#9827;-2&#9827;-4 &#9827;-4&#9830;-4 &#9829;-4&#9824; - Q ask in clubs when responder has 0 or 3 key cards and doesn't have the Q
[2] 1&#9827;-2&#9827;-4 &#9827;-4&#9830;-4 &#9829;-5&#9827; - Q ask in clubs when responder has 0 or 3 key cards and does have the Q
[3] 1&#9827;-2&#9827;-4 &#9827;-4&#9829;-4 &#9824;-4NT - Q ask in clubs when responder has 1 or 4 key cards and doesn't have the Q
[4] 1&#9827;-2&#9827;-4 &#9827;-4&#9829;-4 &#9824;-5&#9827; - Q ask in clubs when responder has 1 or 4 key cards and does have the Q

In every case, there is room to bid 5&#9830; (a level and a step above the 4&#9827; ace ask) to ask for kings. Notice that the auctions would be the same following a criss-cross raise, where the 2&#9827; bid would be 3&#9830;. Here is is for diamonds

[5] 1&#9830;-2&#9830;-4 &#9830;-4&#9829;-4 &#9824;-4NT - Q ask in diamonds when responder has 0 or 3 key cards and doesn't have the Q
[6] 1&#9830;-2&#9830;-4 &#9830;-4&#9829;-4 &#9824;-5&#9827; - Q ask in diamonds when responder has 0 or 3 key cards and does have the Q
[7] 1&#9830;-2&#9830;-4 &#9830;-4&#9824;-4NT-5 &#9827; - Q ask in diamonds when responder has 1 or 4 key cards and doesn't have the Q
[8] 1&#9830;-2&#9830;-4 &#9830;-4&#9824;-4NT-5 &#9830; - Q ask in diamonds when responder has 1 or 4 key cards and does have the Q

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#129 Apr 10, 2014
Susie D wrote:
How many milliliters of 0.171 M HCl would be required to exactly neutralize 121 mL of 0.461 M NaOH?
(0.461 mol/L) x (0.121L)= 0.05532 moles =(0.171 mol/L) x (xL)

x = 0.32350877193 L = 323.5 ml

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Fennario

#130 May 18, 2014
There are many winter solstice holiday greetings to choose from. If you wish to be inclusive and don't mind incurring the wrath of Christian exceptionalists like Bill O'Reilly, you can add Happy Amaterasu, Merry Brumalia, Merry Choimus, Merry Christmas, Happy Deuorius Riuri, Merry Deygan, Happy Dies Natalis Solis Invicti, Happy Dong Zhi, Merry Goru, Happy Hogmanay, Happy Festivus, Merry Grianstad an Gheimhridh, Happy Hanunkkah, Happy HumanLight, Merry Inti Raymi, Happy Jonkonnu, Merry Kaleda, Merry Korochun, Happy Kwanzaa, Happy Lussi Night, Merry Modresnach, Happy Rozhanitsa Feast, Happy Sanghamitta Day, Io Saturnalia, Merry Seva Zistane, Merry Shabe Celle, Happy Solar New Year, Happy Soyal, Happy Winter Solstice, Merry Wayeb, Happy Yalda, Happy Yule, Happy Zagmuk, and Merry Ziemassvetki.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#131 Aug 20, 2014
Come On Kansas

Eldridge, MO

#132 Sep 6, 2014
Carla Ladybug wrote:
I am from Kansas City and I think it should be pronounced Missouri "E" ..... saying Missouri "ah" is very country and hick sounding
Got news for you. It’s not the “Billy Bob’s”, country folk or hick that say Missouri "ah", that you rant about, it’s your high brow liberals in the big cities. Believe we currently have a Democratic governor that says Missouri "ah".
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Naperville, IL

#133 Sep 15, 2014
Having been born in St. Louis, I always pronounce it Missouri. Going to Mizzou in Columbia was the first time I ever heard the Missourah pronunciation. Farther West in towns like West Plains the use of the Missourah variant is universally used unless the person came from St. Louis or KC.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#134 Oct 2, 2014
1. Partner has a simple (nonjump) overcall in a suit - simple suit overcalls are limited to 16 points. 1-level overcalls may be as light as 8 points. Advancer’s choices (in order of priority) include:

• Raise partner's suit with 3+ card support and 6+ support (dummy) points.

o Raise 1 level with 6-9 dummy pts (DPs) and 3-card support. This bid is obstructive, not constructive –similar to “extending the preempt” after partner’s weak two opener. There is little realistic hope of game. After (1&#9829;)-1&#9824; and holding &#9824;K85 &#9829;84 &#9830;K8643 &#9827;984, bid 2&#9824;

o Jump-raise with up to 9 DPs and 4-card support - also obstructive / preemptive. After (1&#9829;)-1&#9824;-(2 &#9829;) and holding &#9824;QJ76 &#9829;5 &#9830;AT6532 &#9827;T84, bid 3&#9824;.

o Jump to game with weak 5-card support, also obstructive / preemptive. After (1&#9829;)-1&#9824;-(a ny) and holding &#9824;JT875 &#9829;void &#9830;T9643 &#9827;752, bid 4&#9824;

o Cue bid with 10+ points (forcing). After (1&#9830;)-1&#9824;-(p ) and holding &#9824;A65 &#9829;K95 &#9830;953 &#9827;KJ62, bid 2&#9830;, which is handled like Drury: overcaller shows a minimum (8-11 points) by rebidding his major, or a hand good enough to have opened. Note: A cuebid by advancer is used to show both a limit raise of overcaller’s major and a hand too good for a simple advance. Advancer’s rebid of a new suit or passing/raising overcaller’s major clarifies which it was.

• Bid a New Suit if you have no fit for partner's suit, but have a good 5+-card suit of your own and 6+ valuation points (HCPs plus length points), you can bid your suit at the 1-level. You need 10+ VPs to advance partner to the 2-level with a new suit. In each case, the simple (nonjump) bid of a new suit is nonforcing.

o Jumping in a new suit can be used to show a good 6+-card suit, opening values or better, and would be forcing for one round. This is by partnership agreement.

o Alternatively, jump shifts by advancer (jumping in a new suit) can be reserved for weak hands with a long suit, in which case it is a drop dead bid (non-forcing).


• Bid Notrump if you have no fit for partner's major, no long suit, and stops in the opponent's suit:


o After 1-level overcall, bid

• 1NT with 8-11 HCPs
• 2NT with 12-15 HCPs
• 3NT with 16+ HCPs
o After 2-level overcalls, bid

• 2NT with 11-12 HCPs
• 3NT with 13+ HCPs

• Double for takeout:(1&#9830;)-1&# 9824;-(2&#9830;)-x shows the 2 unbid suits.

• Cuebid of opener’s suit by advancer is used to show both a limit raise of overcaller’s major and a hand too good for a simple advance. Advancer’s rebid of a new suit or passing/raising overcaller’s suit clarifies which it was.(1&#9830;)-1&#9824 ;-(p)-2&#9830;

• Pass with none of the above.

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